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What do you consider right wing extremist?

I don't think there are very many extremists on either side here.
Well there are but they don't tend to last long.
 
Pelosi the to the right of AOC and Biden is to the right of Pelosi. So Biden and Pelosi are right wing extremists

They neither of them are left wing by any normal measure. Reagan skewed the entire USA politics to the right, and it's set one step over from the rest of the world.
 
Just to be clear, because I think it fair and accurate to label many people "right wing" but adding the 'extremist' modifier by definition requires a pretty high arbitrary bar. So I do call people like Ben Shapiro right wing, but not an 'extremist'. With that out of the way;

Generally, I agree. However I would personally expand that to ethno-nationalists and extreme religious fanatics. Really any far right ideology which advocates for mass violence.


Yes. Here is a good example of the religious fanatic category I was talking about.



@aCultureWarrior believes in in creating a authoritarian theocracy. He fundamentally rejects the concept of freedom, believing it only allows people to pursue godless/immoral/sinful behavior and therefore it is the moral imperative of the state to prevent people from engaging in godless behavior.


I'm sure he will see this and confirm himself in this thread, but EMNofSeattle explicitly does not believe in Democracy. He has argued explicitly in favor on monarchism on several occasions.

Of course there was the legendary (and now banned) Alizia Tyler.

She doesn't think that Black and White people are able to coexist within the same civilization. She has also claimed that Black people are simply to uncivilized to build a functioning society themselves and that we should put programs in place to (supposedly) voluntarily deport them.
I would agree with you that Ben Shapiro is right wing, but not extremist. His views are conservative, for sure, but not extremist.

I agree that a racial-nationalist and extreme religious fanatics can also be extremists, particularly if they advocate violence. Generally, those folks also fit the defintion of fascists or Nazis, at least in most instances.

I would agree that anyone who believes in creating an authoritarian theocracy, rather than a representative republic, and would enforce religious belief and enforce a religious code by force of law, with "anal inspections" to root out buggery, well, that would be an extremist view, too.

Racists today who are racial nationalists are in fact extremists, but we would also need to be careful of the other usage of "Racist" which applies to "all white people." If one moves into that usage, then suddenly it's not extremist to be racist anymore.
 
Democrats have supported the idea of socialism and 76% of democrats polled said they would vote for a socialist for President.

Every formal economy is a mixed economy and a mixed economy is a combination of capitalism and socialism. So, anyone that willingly or unwillingly participates in a formal economy supports both capitalism and socialism.
 
Off the top of my head far right extremists are white supremacists (subs such as skinheads; alt right) conspiracy theorists and those who want to overthrow the government as in the 1/6 insurrection. Then there are individual far right extreme movements such as ridiculous abortion laws; voting suppression; radical religious groups

There are also left wing extremists ......

As far as on this board -- don't know anyone well enough to categorize them although I do think some are just trolls
 
Off the top of my head far right extremists are white supremacists (subs such as skinheads; alt right) conspiracy theorists and those who want to overthrow the government as in the 1/6 insurrection. Then there are individual far right extreme movements such as ridiculous abortion laws; voting suppression; radical religious groups

As far as on this board -- don't know anyone well enough to categorize them although I do think some are just trolls
All of this and those who want to roll back our legal regime back to the early 1900s and get rid of modern institutions as well as those who are obsessed with the second amendment.
 
All of this and those who want to roll back our legal regime back to the early 1900s and get rid of modern institutions as well as those who are obsessed with the second amendment.
Those too. I may be back to add more as I think about it
 
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Every republican voter is an extremist at this point, becuase the entire GOP is pandering to extremists or they just sit idly by and protect them. So they can **** off with their whines of not being associated with extremists, the GOP mainstream is full on Taliban. don't like it, stop voting for them. At least on the fed level and in some particular states
What a salacious and truly idiotic post. More than that it’s utterly dishonest which is a obvious trait of a left wing extremist.
Every republican voter is an extremist at this point, becuase the entire GOP is pandering to extremists or they just sit idly by and protect them. So they can **** off with their whines of not being associated with extremists, the GOP mainstream is full on Taliban. don't like it, stop voting for them. At least on the fed level and in some particular states
Truly a salacious and idiotic post typical of a left wing extremist. This is the type of foolishness now found in the progressive wing of the soon to be broken Democrat party. People like you are killing the freedoms that are hero’s fought and died for. Shame on you for such rhetoric.
 
I agree that a racial-nationalist and extreme religious fanatics can also be extremists, particularly if they advocate violence. Generally, those folks also fit the defintion of fascists or Nazis, at least in most instances.
I also agree, but there are certainly exceptions.

Racists today who are racial nationalists are in fact extremists, but we would also need to be careful of the other usage of "Racist" which applies to "all white people." If one moves into that usage, then suddenly it's not extremist to be racist anymore.
I think there are plenty of people that are racist but aren't extremists. Racial nationalists are pretty much definitionally extremist though.
 
The use of the term "globalist" as a scary boogy-man, or speaking in hushed terms about George Soros, is always a dead giveaway.

"Globalism refers to various patterns of meaning beyond the merely international. It is used by political scientists, such as Joseph Nye, to describe "attempts to understand all the interconnections of the modern world—and to highlight patterns that underlie (and explain) them."[1] While primarily associated with world-systems, it can be used to describe other global trends. The concept of globalism is also classically used to distinguish the ideologies of globalization (the subjective meanings) from the processes of globalization (the objective practices).[2] In this sense, globalism is to globalization what nationalism is to nationality.

The term is now frequently used as a pejorative by far-right movements and conspiracy theorists. False usage in this way has also been associated with anti-semitism, as anti-semites frequently appropriate the word globalist for Jews.[3][4][5]"
He thinks he's stealth. He's not.
 
I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?


I dont know if i have a real definition of that, a right-wing extremist would be a nutter to me and many things can get you labeled a nutter right or left doesn't really matter

for a right-wing to be a nutter id say birthers, elections truthers(big lie believers), insurrection deniers, CRT Nutters are good examples

for a left-wing nutter 9/11 truthers that claim bush planned it, certain types of anti-gunners

I think the right takes more hits on these simply because there's more of them and how strong the movement actually was is

when it comes to ideology well that's harder IMO, id have to know a lot more about there overall stances
 
You have elements of right wing extremism if:

- You believe the Big Lie
- You believe the separation between church and state goes too far
- You believe January 6 was "mostly peaceful"
- You subscribe to QAnon theories about satanic pedophiles running the DNC
- You voted for/support individuals like MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, Cruz, Cawthorn, Hawley, and likeminded politicians
- You believe COVID is a hoax inflicted on Americans to subject them to totalitarian control
- You believe white people are persecuted and marginalized in society
- You think Tucker Carlson is a pundit speaking truth to power
 
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Recall, the Democrats have supported the idea of socialism and 76% of democrats polled said they would vote for a socialist for President.
First off, the question in that poll was:

"If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be [black, catholic, Hispanic, a woman, Jewish, an evangelical Christian, gay or lesbian, under the age of 40, over the age of 70, Muslim, an atheist, a socialist], would you vote for that person?”

....its a bit specious to argue you would get the same result if the question was narrowed down to just the one qualifier....it is a bad question.

Further, the main example of a socialist in the US in 2020 who ran for POTUS, would be Bernie, and even he is not considered an "extremist". I'll refer you to "the Political Compass", a test long used and cited by this forum.
 
conservatism vs liberalism is part of our dna.......we are experiencing a time where the extremes on both sides have taken over the public debate.......common sense and centrist thought have been replaced by the extremes because both sides deem them to be boring and uninteresting......we are the spawn of media......we love the braggadocio, the in your face confrontation, the violent, the clan, the bad ass, the revengeful .....we even use the teachings of Jesus and Mohammed are even used as reasons to war and hate each other....it's how we have raised our children for the last 70 years.....
 
They neither of them are left wing by any normal measure. Reagan skewed the entire USA politics to the right, and it's set one step over from the rest of the world.
Yeah neoliberalism really redefined a ton of political boundaries.
 
He is to the right of Trump, he is far-right-wing, ie, an extremist.
He's more conservative than Trump, but he's not a right wing extremist. Nobody ever accused Trump of being strictly "conservative." He's a populist.

Shapiro is the more traditional Republican that Democrats have wanted to "get back to" for the years of Trump.

Shapiro opposed Donald Trump's candidacy in 2016. He holds traditionally conservative Republican views. What of his opinions do you view as "extremist?"
 
He's more conservative than Trump, but he's not a right wing extremist.
I have no idea how being to the right of Trump makes someone NOT an extremist, that is not a negation of extremism.
Nobody ever accused Trump of being strictly "conservative." He's a populist.
Again that is not a negation of Shapiro's extremism.
Shapiro is the more traditional Republican that Democrats have wanted to "get back to" for the years of Trump.
What the **** are you talking about, where are you drawing this unsupported claim from?
Shapiro opposed Donald Trump's candidacy in 2016.
Because Drumpf was not far enough to the right wing for Shapiro, ie, Shapiro is to the right of Drumpf.
He holds traditionally conservative Republican views.
Oh, I agree that the GOP has moved to the right, endorsing and being taken over by the likes of MTG, Cawthorn, Cotton, Blackburn, Boebert ....but they are not traditional and all are to the left of Shapiro.
What of his opinions do you view as "extremist?"
Gee, thats a big list, we can start by his claim that the majority of Muslims are radicals , I can cite his nationalistic racism that parallels with Stormfront rhetoric:

This case study considers the framing of messages within the conservative media system. The study used a grounded theory approach to consider two mainstream conservative podcasts, the Ben Shapiro Show and The Daily Standard, and two on the far right, The Stormfront Podcast and Alt-Right Politics. Despite differences regarding specific conspiracy theories and overtly racist language, mainstream and far right podcasts shared considerable organizing principles and rhetoric. This study suggests many such differences are more stylistic than substantive, prompting an evaluation and reconsideration of the definition of “news” in modern conservative media.

 
I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?
For the most part, on this board anyway, "Right Wing Extremist" means anyone that disagrees with anything a left leaning poster says. If a lefty says, "Traffic lights should be blue" and anyone disagrees then that person is a "Right Wing Extremist".
 
I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?

Right wing extremist attributes:

1. Illegal immigration concerns justify extralegal/extra-constitutional responses.
2. LGBT people need to be slapped down, especially transgendered people.
3. Abortion should be outlawed or restricted to a level that basically equals being outlawed.
4. Religion should have an influence on the state, especially schools.
5. Parents should be able to determine the curriculum in K-12 public schools.
6. All BLM members are dangerous torch-wielding maniacs.
7. Police should be able to shoot anyone that inconveniences them, unless the person involved is white.
8. Black people should know their place and stop being so Black about everything.
9. Women are to be silent (this isn't as common as it used to be, though)
10. Defends the 1/6 insurrection or makes excuses or whataboutisms over it.
11. Rants about the "big lie".
12. Blames everything on "globalists" (har har!)

Actual Nazis are a whole different kettle of fish. Not even in the same league.

For example, I don't think people should throw bricks at right wing extremists just for standing in the road, but it's a moral imperative to heave that brick if the silly bastard is wearing a swastika.
 
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What a salacious and truly idiotic post. More than that it’s utterly dishonest which is a obvious trait of a left wing extremist.

Truly a salacious and idiotic post typical of a left wing extremist. This is the type of foolishness now found in the progressive wing of the soon to be broken Democrat party. People like you are killing the freedoms that are hero’s fought and died for. Shame on you for such rhetoric.

What do you find sexual about his comments, or do you misunderstand the meaning of "salacious"?
 
I've noticed some faction of the membership of Debate Politics seems to apply the label "right wing extremist" rather loosely (at least based on my understanding of the term).

So, are there "right wing extremists" on this board? What ideas make one a right wing extremist?

I usually associate right wing extremism with neo-Naziism, neo-fascism and their underlying ideas. Do others here have a different standard? What's your meaning if/when you use that term?

If you've found right wing extremists here, what made you think they were right wing extremists? What ideas did they express that qualified them for that?

-snip-"Supporting" the post-birth poor by deliberately keeping their states among the most difficult places to obtain non-emergency
medical treatment while locking them up at 3X or 4X the incarceration rate of Massachusetts fits a mindset of forced pregnancy
(government interference on steroids) followed up with malign neglect of and then incarceration of the resulting unwanted born.
-snip-

Opinion | In Praise of Smoke and Mirrors

If we need creative accounting to invest for the future, go for it.
www.nytimes.com
OPINION
PAUL KRUGMAN
Aug. 5, 2021
"...On the surface, Republican demands should have made agreement impossible. G.O.P. senators were adamantly opposed to tax increases. They also blocked proposals to give the I.R.S. resources to crack down on widespread tax evasion — a stance that even cynics like yours truly found a bit shocking. What kind of party more or less openly aligns itself with wealthy tax cheats? ..."

The kind of party that would target anything and anybody in its constant effort to divert attention away from discussion
of issues that most concern the party's wealthiest political donors...

After Four Years, IRS Finally Confirms There Was No Targeting of Tea Party Groups

https://www.motherjones.com › kevin-drum › 2017/10
Oct 6, 2017 — "..
House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady, who was one of the ringleaders of the original Lois Lerner lynching, is pretending that the new audit confirms what “government watchdogs” like Kevin Brady have been saying all along: “Bureaucrats at the IRS, such as Lois Lerner, arbitrarily and haphazardly administered the tax code and targeted taxpayers based on political ideology.”

No. That’s not what they were saying at the time. They said the Obama IRS was corruptly targeting conservative groups for harassment. But that wasn’t true. Whether or not the BOLO list was a good idea, it never had anything to do with Obama. It got its start back in 2004, and during the Obama administration it was mostly used to target liberal groups."

Republicans stand against president's IRS bank plan - WAVY ...

https://www.wavy.com ›
Oct 19, 2021 Toomey says the IRS has a track record of discriminating against conservative organizations and doesn't believe the collected information .
 
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After Four Years, IRS Finally Confirms There Was No Targeting of Tea Party Groups

https://www.motherjones.com › kevin-drum › 2017/10
Oct 6, 2017 — "..
House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady, who was one of the ringleaders of the original Lois Lerner lynching, is pretending that the new audit confirms what “government watchdogs” like Kevin Brady have been saying all along: “Bureaucrats at the IRS, such as Lois Lerner, arbitrarily and haphazardly administered the tax code and targeted taxpayers based on political ideology.”

No. That’s not what they were saying at the time. They said the Obama IRS was corruptly targeting conservative groups for harassment. But that wasn’t true. Whether or not the BOLO list was a good idea, it never had anything to do with Obama. It got its start back in 2004, and during the Obama administration it was mostly used to target liberal groups."


Odd that they exonerated themselves, but then apologized for mistreating conservative groups and paid out a settlement in litigation. https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/5603...or-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups IRS Apologizes For Aggressive Scrutiny Of Conservative Groups - that was in 2017.

In 2013 - WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for subjecting Tea Party groups to additional scrutiny during the 2012 election, but denied any political motive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...gy-conservative-groups-2012-election/2149939/

(Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department has reached a settlement with dozens of conservative groups that claimed the Internal Revenue Service unfairly scrutinized them based on their political leanings when they sought a tax-exempt status, court documents showed. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...vative-groups-over-irs-scrutiny-idUSKBN1CV1TY

Obama says some IRS employees ‘failed,’ orders accountability​

Lax oversight at the Internal Revenue Service allowed for the singling out of some conservative groups, resulting in lengthy delays in the processing of their applications for federal tax-exempt status, according to a report by the agency’s inspector general released Tuesday. https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/politics/irs-conservative-targeting/index.html

And, that's just what CNN, NPR and Reuters were willing to report....
 
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