What do you consider more importan the war on terrot or global warming?

[scottyz]

She has a tendancy to do this. Just ignore it.

HOWEVER, I DONT THINK NAVY PRIDE WAS TRYING TO RELATE THE 2; I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT FROM THE PEOPLE WHICH WAS MORE IMPERATIVE BETWEEN THE 2.

I could be wrong.

They're both important in different ways but they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.... Unless fighting terrorism creates global warming or global warming creates terrorism.

 

[alphieb]

She has a tendancy to do this. Just ignore it.

HOWEVER, I DONT THINK NAVY PRIDE WAS TRYING TO RELATE THE 2; I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT FROM THE PEOPLE WHICH WAS MORE IMPERATIVE BETWEEN THE 2.

I could be wrong.

Try making sense out of your post

 

[SKILMATIC]

They're both important in different ways but they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.... Unless fighting terrorism creates global warming or global warming creates terrorism.

I agree.

Try making sense out of your post

Well what didnt you understand and I may be able to help you.

 

[Billo_Really]

Global warming. The war on terror is a myth. If not total bullshit! You cannot have a war against an ideology. If there is anyone that thinks you can, tell me how it ends. Be specific.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Global warming. The war on terror is a myth. If not total bullshit! You cannot have a war against an ideology. If there is anyone that thinks you can, tell me how it ends. Be specific.

Well tell me how you can have a war on a theory? Tell me how that ends be specific.

Also the war on terror isnt an ideology its a tactic. And this tactic much like all others can be evaluated and pursued. The ending may not be decisive but will be repulsive. Its more a war of deterrence. If we can deter their strength enough to incompassitate them then they will not have the means to strike decisively in such a monstrocity on america soil. Their wont be some treaty signed in Paris or a truce of some sort but it will be a forever going battle that will never stop. However, just becasue we will never have an official ending doesnt mean we should roll over and take it.

 

[ddoyle00]

Hahahahaha...that last page was funny! I used to do the same thing to my dad. Heres an example:

So hows the Jeep?

Why, is there something wrong with the Jeep?

You told me there was something wrong with it.

When?

Last night.

I did?

Yeah, you said there was something wrong with it.

With what?

With the Jeep.

Haha, I could go for an hour or so before he would catch on. Oh yeah, Alphieb's comments brought that to mind

 

[Saboteur]

I agree.....The same whacked out environmentalists who are crying about global warming today were crying about a new ice age in 1972..There is big money to be made if you can scare the American people about global warming.......

Those whacked out environmentalists are back at it too. Just saw a T.V. program about a new mini ice age. Personally I don't care... I'm a realist and I don't pretend something doesn't exist because it scares me.

Speaking of being scared, there is a lot of money being made because the Bush administration scared the American people into believing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction with intercontinental capabilites. So far all our brave fightin' boys have turned up is ONE 30 year old serin gas tipped war head, not even attached to a missle.

And the American people are still scared of Osama Bin Laden who is either dead or sleeping in Lincoln's bedroom at the white house. At the beginning of this month I had to calm a big macho guy (This was one of those big burly beard wearin' red neck types that get all tearey when they think about firefighters) down because the city was testing the air raid sirens (it was the first Wed. of the month). He was about to run down the street screaming about terrorists.

Now, I have a beard too and I'm not all pretty and entirely white skinned so when I go to Starbucks everybody stops to turn around and stare at me thinkng I'm going to kill everybody. It sucks.

But the really funny thing about all you people who think the U.S. could get attacked again by surprise, or without a nod from the whitehouse, is that you've all succumbed to terror. You live in terror and you have let the terrorists WIN. That is the most unamerican attitude I can think of for people who claim that environmentalists are whacko's and liberals are pants wetters or dress wearers can have when we are the people who'll save their asses when they're too afraid to leave their houses.

 

[Saboteur]

Um...okay, whatever you say :roll:

Anyway, I voted for the threat I know is real, not the one that's in fashion this week. Terrorism is real and has the potential to escalate infinitely. Global warming is a fact, but not neccessarily the fault of man and has always been a totally natural occurence every other thousand times it has happened in the last million years or so. I'll take the problem that we can actually do something about.

Dear scaredy pants,

All we have done so far is create more terrorists.

 

[Saboteur]

OH OK......AGAIN, WHAT DOES THE WAR ON TERROR HAVE TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING???????????????

Well the U.S. is burning a hell of a lot of deisel fuel fighting it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by SKILMATIC:
Well tell me how you can have a war on a theory? Tell me how that ends be specific.

Also the war on terror isnt an ideology its a tactic. And this tactic much like all others can be evaluated and pursued. The ending may not be decisive but will be repulsive. Its more a war of deterrence. If we can deter their strength enough to incompassitate them then they will not have the means to strike decisively in such a monstrocity on america soil. Their [you mean 'There'] wont be some treaty signed in Paris or a truce of some sort but it will be a forever going battle that will never stop. However, just becasue we will never have an official ending doesnt mean we should roll over and take it.

I never thought for one moment we should roll over and take anything. I believe in solving problems. What we are doing in Iraq is not solving this problem.

Who is they?

 

[Saboteur]

First of all I didn’t say the U.S. is exactly like Nazi Germany I just mentioned some of the parallels.

Take it to the conspiracy forum, I've heard enough of that crap. You should read up on German history in the 1930s, you might learn a thing or two.

Excuse me, my father and ALL of my uncles were WWII veterans and in my admiration of them and my curiosity as to why my father would wake up screaming in the middle of the night encouraged me to obsess over WWII documentaries and factual books.

Please, enlighten us as to what these lies are.

That the world wanted to destroy Germany that a preemptive strike was needed to defend the homeland... er I mean the fatherland in order to preserve the German way of life. It was called manufacturing consent.

Afghanistan was controlled by one of the most backward, brutal regimes in the world. The Taliban openly supported Islamic extremism and harbored al Qaeda. As for Iraq: In retrospect it's easy to criticize knowing what we know now but before we invaded, the evidence for Hussein having WMDs was overwhelming. He was a vicious tyrant who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his own people and he didn't belong in power. Hitler on the other hand invaded Poland to expand his Aryan empire across Europe and eradicate the Jewish population. I see no connection whatsoever.

And to the Taliban, America is a seething breeding ground of infidels. Do I really need to remind you that during the Russian Afghani war we created Osama Bin Laden by sending CIA agents to train him and his people their tactics? We're the original terrorists. BTW where is OSAMA? And you know that Saudi Arabia harbors and funds Islamic Extremists too right? There’re no plans the overthrow their government or demand to have them turn over the terrorist that was sitting right next to Osama laughing with him on the tape that confirms that Al Qaeda had a hand in 9/11. That’s right bucko they granted that terrorist amnesty and medical aid.

Anyway Hitler wasn't entirely about Genocide, why if the allies didn't stop him in Africa he would have had enough oil to win in Russia. And now the 3rd Reich would control the world with the oil that was left over. But we didn't run into Afghanistan solely to find Osama or over throw the Taliban, no we want control of the poppy fields for heroin production. I agree the Saddam is an A-hole and needed to be removed but he’s just another one of our old friends that we funded to have a war with Iran. And who happened to have half of the Saudi oil supplies within Iraq’s border. Tell me where was the first place the Marines secured when they arrived? Never mind I know… The Oil Ministry!

Who in the media, outside of Fox News and conservative radio, are spreading these opinions? (BTW... I eat up democrat bashing for breakfast, lunch and dinner) Christians and Republicans receive the exact same treatment from the left. You act like this is something new.

It’s nothing new I’ve been watching the likes of the drug addict hypocrite Rush Limbaugh, Fox N Friends, The Nazi Ann Coulter and the demon on earth Jerry Fallwell spread hate and lies about homosexuals, artists, politicians and liberals alike for years. It must frustrate you that it takes so many people to do to this country what Herman Gerbals did to Germany single handedly.

I won't argue with that but we're living in a different time my friend. Our enemy is far from conventional. Would you say it's wrong to torture one nutjob to save the lives of many innocents

We are living in a different time but we are also turning onto a well traveled road… I do not understand our enemy and I don’t think many do. And yes it is very gravely wrong to stoop to the same level of our so called enemies and torture. After all isn’t it torture, murder, and rape that now justifies our ousting of Saddam Hussein? It’s certainly not based on the questionable intelligence Bush got from Chelaby and preferred over the CIA’s anymore.

And what do you propose we do to stop the warming of our atmosphere? Build a cosmic planet moving machine capable of stopping the oscillation of Earth in it's orbit? We could halt every greenhouse gas emission in the world and the planet would still get warmer.

Jeez I guess I’m not the kind of person that believes that if it’s broken ‘oh well’ let just keep going. We need to reduce our emissions and lead the world in seriously developing alternative fuels.

Work force? Have you seen the average unemployed person? What exactly can the Bush administration do to put them all to work? Implement socialism and descimate the economic progress that's been made since his tax cuts?

There are so many things that are wrong with this statement. It will be a pleasure to proceed. First of all you elitist, classist, racist snob; The average unemployed person isn’t what you think. They’re not poor, they’re not black, they’re not Hispanic, they’re not homeless or drug addicts. They are mostly educated, white, middle class folks that are wondering why the companies that they put so much time and energy into shipped their jobs to India, China and Mexico. I wish I could tell each and every one of the 30,000 GM employees that just got laid off where you live. Furthermore you may have gotten a big fat tax cut because you’re already rich but guess what, for me, $20.00 is now about as valuable as $5.00 was 10 years ago. And as far as social work programs for employment… well that would just be another WWII coincidence. I’ll bet the next Democrat President will have to implement them after Bush gets done putting the U.S. back in a depression. Remember Roosevelt? Ever hear of the W.P.A. or the C.C.C.?

Ignorance ought to win you a spot in hell with the greedy and the traitors.

 

[SKILMATIC]

I never thought for one moment we should roll over and take anything. I believe in solving problems. What we are doing in Iraq is not solving this problem.

Who is they?

"Them and they" refer to the terrorists. On the contrary my good friend, I thought we were solving the problem of ousting a tyranical and attrocitic regime and giving men freedom that has never tasted it. However, I guess "problem solving" is all personal perception.

 

[Navy Pride]

First of all I never said there was a connection between the war on terror and global warming....I asked which is the bigger threat?

 

[Donkey1499]

Ain't Global Warming the same as an Ice Age? Cuz that happened decades ago, and again before that. I saw on the History Channel that there was a mini-ice age like 400 (or something like that) years ago. So humans can't control the weather.

So that would leave terrorism as our main goal.

 

[libertarian_knight]

I think Mongol Hordes are a bigger concern.

hehe the war on terrot[sic]... US military invading Gypsy caravans to capture the Queen of Cups... hehehe

 

[Comrade Brian]

Well the U.S. is burning a hell of a lot of deisel fuel fighting it.

Indeed, I believe the M1Abrams tank has something like 3gal. per mile. Saudi Arabia and Halliburton must be pleased with that gas efficiency. They'll get more bucks in their wallets.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Indeed, I believe the M1Abrams tank has something like 3gal. per mile. Saudi Arabia and Halliburton must be pleased with that gas efficiency. They'll get more bucks in their wallets.

Well thats because its a gas turbine engine. You stick a turbine engine on anything and your fuel efficiency goes right down the pooper. However, the fuel efficiency varies during use and during different temperatures. When at cruising the efficiency is 1 gal per mile and at cool temperatures its even better. But your right it is a gas guzzler. But if you were hauling a couple dozen tons of weight you would be guzzling fuel too. :rofl

 

[scottyz]

Indeed, I believe the M1Abrams tank has something like 3gal. per mile. Saudi Arabia and Halliburton must be pleased with that gas efficiency. They'll get more bucks in their wallets.

AFAIK the M1 can run on either gasoline, diesel, kerosene,jet fuel or a mix. Because of the high temps in the ME i'm guessing they could get away with straight diesel. You can't really expect something that big to be able to hit 60mph and get good gas mileage doing it.

 

[Archon]

First of all I didn’t say the U.S. is exactly like Nazi Germany I just mentioned some of the parallels.



Excuse me, my father and ALL of my uncles were WWII veterans and in my admiration of them and my curiosity as to why my father would wake up screaming in the middle of the night encouraged me to obsess over WWII documentaries and factual books.



That the world wanted to destroy Germany that a preemptive strike was needed to defend the homeland... er I mean the fatherland in order to preserve the German way of life. It was called manufacturing consent.



And to the Taliban, America is a seething breeding ground of infidels. Do I really need to remind you that during the Russian Afghani war we created Osama Bin Laden by sending CIA agents to train him and his people their tactics? We're the original terrorists. BTW where is OSAMA? And you know that Saudi Arabia harbors and funds Islamic Extremists too right? There’re no plans the overthrow their government or demand to have them turn over the terrorist that was sitting right next to Osama laughing with him on the tape that confirms that Al Qaeda had a hand in 9/11. That’s right bucko they granted that terrorist amnesty and medical aid.

Anyway Hitler wasn't entirely about Genocide, why if the allies didn't stop him in Africa he would have had enough oil to win in Russia. And now the 3rd Reich would control the world with the oil that was left over. But we didn't run into Afghanistan solely to find Osama or over throw the Taliban, no we want control of the poppy fields for heroin production. I agree the Saddam is an A-hole and needed to be removed but he’s just another one of our old friends that we funded to have a war with Iran. And who happened to have half of the Saudi oil supplies within Iraq’s border. Tell me where was the first place the Marines secured when they arrived? Never mind I know… The Oil Ministry!






It’s nothing new I’ve been watching the likes of the drug addict hypocrite Rush Limbaugh, Fox N Friends, The Nazi Ann Coulter and the demon on earth Jerry Fallwell spread hate and lies about homosexuals, artists, politicians and liberals alike for years. It must frustrate you that it takes so many people to do to this country what Herman Gerbals did to Germany single handedly.






We are living in a different time but we are also turning onto a well traveled road… I do not understand our enemy and I don’t think many do. And yes it is very gravely wrong to stoop to the same level of our so called enemies and torture. After all isn’t it torture, murder, and rape that now justifies our ousting of Saddam Hussein? It’s certainly not based on the questionable intelligence Bush got from Chelaby and preferred over the CIA’s anymore.



Jeez I guess I’m not the kind of person that believes that if it’s broken ‘oh well’ let just keep going. We need to reduce our emissions and lead the world in seriously developing alternative fuels.





There are so many things that are wrong with this statement. It will be a pleasure to proceed. First of all you elitist, classist, racist snob; The average unemployed person isn’t what you think. They’re not poor, they’re not black, they’re not Hispanic, they’re not homeless or drug addicts. They are mostly educated, white, middle class folks that are wondering why the companies that they put so much time and energy into shipped their jobs to India, China and Mexico. I wish I could tell each and every one of the 30,000 GM employees that just got laid off where you live. Furthermore you may have gotten a big fat tax cut because you’re already rich but guess what, for me, $20.00 is now about as valuable as $5.00 was 10 years ago. And as far as social work programs for employment… well that would just be another WWII coincidence. I’ll bet the next Democrat President will have to implement them after Bush gets done putting the U.S. back in a depression. Remember Roosevelt? Ever hear of the W.P.A. or the C.C.C.?

Ignorance ought to win you a spot in hell with the greedy and the traitors.

I agree with much of your post but mostly I think one particular point really elucidates the true fears of the perception control team of the Bush Administration:

Al Qaeda was originated as a clandestine faction of the United States. You are exactly right. Reagen (r.i.p.) and good 'ol Ollie North (who all the sudden has surfaced as a supporter of patriotism {wtf}) is a staunch supporter of the Bush Regime. Go figure. Nobody cares why Al-Qaeda hates us instead they allow themselves to be subjective in the sense that information is something that should be dictated and not understood.

Al-Qaeda is a product of the United States in origin.

That's a very substantial point.

I don't know the Saboteur... I don't know his objective... and I am indifferent to him.... but I have found absolutely no literal, objectionable, nor semantic fallacy in anything that he has said.

The truth is not pleasant nor is it grand. It's something that has become non-essential in our traditional beliefs and that is a huge detriment to the (good)will of the American People.

 

[SKILMATIC]

I agree with much of your post but mostly I think one particular point really elucidates the true fears of the perception control team of the Bush Administration:

Al Qaeda was originated as a clandestine faction of the United States. You are exactly right. Reagen (r.i.p.) and good 'ol Ollie North (who all the sudden has surfaced as a supporter of patriotism {wtf}) is a staunch supporter of the Bush Regime. Go figure. Nobody cares why Al-Qaeda hates us instead they allow themselves to be subjective in the sense that information is something that should be dictated and not understood.

Al-Qaeda is a product of the United States in origin.

That's a very substantial point.

I don't know the Saboteur... I don't know his objective... and I am indifferent to him.... but I have found absolutely no literal, objectionable, nor semantic fallacy in anything that he has said.

The truth is not pleasant nor is it grand. It's something that has become non-essential in our traditional beliefs and that is a huge detriment to the (good)will of the American People.

Well in a sense alot of the world hates us or envys us. However , it is irrelevant why they hate us when they start killing innocent civilians. What is initialy relevant is making sure that these attrocities dont happen. But I guess some people find it more important to discuss why these people hate us instead of protecting innocent civilians. :2wave:

 

[Navy Pride]

I agree with much of your post but mostly I think one particular point really elucidates the true fears of the perception control team of the Bush Administration:

Al Qaeda was originated as a clandestine faction of the United States. You are exactly right. Reagen (r.i.p.) and good 'ol Ollie North (who all the sudden has surfaced as a supporter of patriotism {wtf}) is a staunch supporter of the Bush Regime. Go figure. Nobody cares why Al-Qaeda hates us instead they allow themselves to be subjective in the sense that information is something that should be dictated and not understood.

Al-Qaeda is a product of the United States in origin.

That's a very substantial point.

I don't know the Saboteur... I don't know his objective... and I am indifferent to him.... but I have found absolutely no literal, objectionable, nor semantic fallacy in anything that he has said.

The truth is not pleasant nor is it grand. It's something that has become non-essential in our traditional beliefs and that is a huge detriment to the (good)will of the American People.

Another blame America from our left wing friends...........what else is new?

 

[Navy Pride]

I agree with much of your post but mostly I think one particular point really elucidates the true fears of the perception control team of the Bush Administration:

Al Qaeda was originated as a clandestine faction of the United States. You are exactly right. Reagen (r.i.p.) and good 'ol Ollie North (who all the sudden has surfaced as a supporter of patriotism {wtf}) is a staunch supporter of the Bush Regime. Go figure. Nobody cares why Al-Qaeda hates us instead they allow themselves to be subjective in the sense that information is something that should be dictated and not understood.

Al-Qaeda is a product of the United States in origin.

That's a very substantial point.

I don't know the Saboteur... I don't know his objective... and I am indifferent to him.... but I have found absolutely no literal, objectionable, nor semantic fallacy in anything that he has said.

The truth is not pleasant nor is it grand. It's something that has become non-essential in our traditional beliefs and that is a huge detriment to the (good)will of the American People.

Another blame America from our left wing friends...........what else is new?

 

[Archon]

Well in a sense alot of the world hates us or envys us. However , it is irrelevant why they hate us when they start killing innocent civilians. What is initialy relevant is making sure that these attrocities dont happen. But I guess some people find it more important to discuss why these people hate us instead of protecting innocent civilians. :2wave:

Innocents are a casualty of war. Who mislead who in this war?

Who says there's any empathy for those who kill innocent people? Have you not realized that I am a pacifist who only adheres to the concept of war based upon the virtue of national security? You are talking against yourself, as you always do. However, as always, I thank you for your input.

 

[Navy Pride]

Innocents are a casualty of war. Who mislead who in this war?

Who says there's any empathy for those who kill innocent people? Have you not realized that I am a pacifist who only adheres to the concept of war based upon the virtue of national security? You are talking against yourself, as you always do. However, as always, I thank you for your input.

If I hear you liberals say one more time that you were mislead I will scream......I should post all the things people like Dean, Kerry, Clinton, and Pelosi said about Saddam before the war and why we should take him out...........

 

[Archon]

Another blame America from our left wing friends...........what else is new?

I never said blame America. Blame is a lame game. What's done is done. What you seem incapable of doing is considering the facts of the matter or the matter of the facts. Left Wing? I'm a member of the NRA. I don't particularly care for homosexuals... although I think we can all find a way to co-exist. Spare me your left wing diatribe child and find somebody smaller to pick on. Someone who knows even less than you.