What Anti-Semitism Really Means[W:110]

[Paleocon]

Re: What Anti-Semitism Really Means

so.....not while on this earth. Thus, presumably, from the heavens.

gnosticism was an exclusive club reserved for only some?

Care to elaborate?

Were you a different person before you were named?

 

[Chagos]

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Were you a different person before you were named?

You bet :mrgreen:

How 'bout you?

 

[Mason66]

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I don't consider Jews white.

How does the belief in a religion change the color of someone's skin?

I know 2 white people that converted to Judaism.

Did they get less white when they started to believe?

 

[Mason66]

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I'm not sure what you're going on about. The Jews reject the savior, I as a Christian accept him.



Perhaps. But "anti-semite" refers to a persons's attitude toward Jews specifically.

Jesus was Jewish, you reject Jews, you reject him.

Simple math.

 

[Fledermaus]

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I thought both Arabs and Jews were Semites.

The term was coined specifically to describe hatred for Jews.

 

[Fledermaus]

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How does the belief in a religion change the color of someone's skin?

I know 2 white people that converted to Judaism.

Did they get less white when they started to believe?

Imagine the conversation...

"Hey Bob, you are looking particularly Jewish today. Your conversion has done wonders for your tan"

 

[matchlight]

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Animosity toward Jews is common these days among so-called liberals--who are not liberal at all. The radical left, which is prominent on most college campuses, is rife with Jew-hating. The anti-American fraud who continues to disgrace the White House is typical of these anti-Semitic collectivists. That's why he has associated with them. His preacher of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright shares the anti-Jewish sentiments of his close friend, the Black Muslim Louis Farrakhan. Al Sharpton, another buffoon Obama takes to, is cut from the same bolt of cloth. So is Rashid Khalidi, a close friend of the Obamas who was a propagandist for the PLO and a great admirer of Yasser Arafat. It is no accident that this president has consistently been more unfriendly toward Israel than any of his predecessors, even the anti-Semitic Jimmy Carter. Nor is it any accident that he has so often cozied up to Islamic supremacists who hate Jews just for breathing.

 

[Lovebug]

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Jesus was Jewish, you reject Jews, you reject him.

Simple math.

Those who fault Jews for the cross have no clue what Christ was all about. He came from a long lineage of Jews, and it is why they are still God's chosen people.
Anti semitism is, in part, because of ignorance of that fact and God's word.

 

[Ikari]

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Animosity toward Jews is common these days among so-called liberals--who are not liberal at all. The radical left, which is prominent on most college campuses, is rife with Jew-hating. The anti-American fraud who continues to disgrace the White House is typical of these anti-Semitic collectivists. That's why he has associated with them. His preacher of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright shares the anti-Jewish sentiments of his close friend, the Black Muslim Louis Farrakhan. Al Sharpton, another buffoon Obama takes to, is cut from the same bolt of cloth. So is Rashid Khalidi, a close friend of the Obamas who was a propagandist for the PLO and a great admirer of Yasser Arafat. It is no accident that this president has consistently been more unfriendly toward Israel than any of his predecessors, even the anti-Semitic Jimmy Carter. Nor is it any accident that he has so often cozied up to Islamic supremacists who hate Jews just for breathing.

This seems like a load of conspiracy theory drivel. US universities are full of anti-Semitic liberals? What?

 

[X Factor]

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The term anti-semitism was phrased some time in the mid 1800s in Germany to replace the Judenhass (hatred of Jews) that had found common usage until then.

Basically a lame attempt at introducing something of supposed sophistication to make the whole thing sound less aggressive and less despicable.

None of which ever took away anything from the simple fact that Jew hatred and anti-semitism are the same.

Now that's interesting. Anti-Semite was actually the PC term for Jew hating bigots?

 

[Paleocon]

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How does the belief in a religion change the color of someone's skin?

I know 2 white people that converted to Judaism.

Did they get less white when they started to believe?

"White" is a social group. Thus albinos are still black if they're ethnically black.

Jesus was Jewish, you reject Jews, you reject him.

Simple math.

That's certainly a simplisitc way of thinking, I'll give you that.

Animosity toward Jews is common these days among so-called liberals--who are not liberal at all. The radical left, which is prominent on most college campuses, is rife with Jew-hating. The anti-American fraud who continues to disgrace the White House is typical of these anti-Semitic collectivists. That's why he has associated with them. His preacher of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright shares the anti-Jewish sentiments of his close friend, the Black Muslim Louis Farrakhan. Al Sharpton, another buffoon Obama takes to, is cut from the same bolt of cloth. So is Rashid Khalidi, a close friend of the Obamas who was a propagandist for the PLO and a great admirer of Yasser Arafat. It is no accident that this president has consistently been more unfriendly toward Israel than any of his predecessors, even the anti-Semitic Jimmy Carter. Nor is it any accident that he has so often cozied up to Islamic supremacists who hate Jews just for breathing.

Both the left and the right in this country are unabashedly Jew-worshiping. It was really telling how Cruz and Clinton practically stood together in condemnation of Trump's failure to pay sufficient homage to Israel. It's true that right-liberals are more strongly Jew-worshiping than left-liberals at this time, but to call that anti-semitic goes to demonstrate my original point, anti-semitic simply means "failing to sufficiently grovel before the Jews".

 

[Paleocon]

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it is why they are still God's chosen people.

This comment is a slap in the face to Jesus Christ. Claiming that the Jews are still God's people is an overt rejection of the atonement and the great commission.

 

[Lovebug]

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Now that's interesting. Anti-Semite was actually the PC term for Jew hating bigots?

Interesting read
What is anti-Semitism?

 

[Somerville]

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The link here is to one of my favourite 'radical leftie websites' but the story originated with the Times of Israel

How a 12th century murder became an international Jewish conspiracy

LONDON — The earliest known story of blood libel originates in England in 1150, when Thomas of Monmouth, a Benedictine monk living in the cathedral priory in Norwich, East Anglia, began collecting notes for a narrative that he eventually published two decades later entitled “The Life and Passion of Saint William of Norwich.”

The manuscript, which currently resides in Cambridge University Library, tells the story of a young leatherworker in Norwich, who was taken to the house of an eminent Jew, where he was held for a number of days. Shortly afterwards, so the story goes, William was secretly held and subjected to “all the tortures of Christ,” before finally being murdered, mutilated and hanged from a tree in a nearby forest.

The long-standing accusation that Jews killed Christian children to use their blood — usually referred to in popular mythology as the blood libel — has never withstood historical scrutiny. But the myth, nevertheless, has fitted neatly into hundreds of years of anti-Semitism throughout all of Christendom and beyond. In her recently published book, “The Murder of William of Norwich: The Origins of the Blood Libel in Medieval Europe,” author E.M. Rose attempts to reconsider the circumstances surrounding William of Norwich’s death, which, Rose tells The Times of Israel, was the starting point of seeing Jews as an “international conspiracy.”

 

[Lovebug]

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This comment is a slap in the face to Jesus Christ. Claiming that the Jews are still God's people is an overt rejection of the atonement and the great commission.

Every time we sin we slap Christ in the face, and that includes speaking ill of Jews or any of our neighbors, as we are to love all.

 

[Paleocon]

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Every time we sin we slap Christ in the face

And denying the salvific nature of his sacrifice is certainly sinful.

and that includes speaking ill of Jews or any of our neighbors, as we are to love all.

Christ himself spoke many harsh things about the Jews. There is no basis in the Christian religion for believing that Jews are sacred.

 

[cpwill]

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This seems like a load of conspiracy theory drivel. US universities are full of anti-Semitic liberals? What?

:shrug: conspiracy theories require conspiracies. All the growth of anti-Semitism required was groupthink, and the natural tendency of groups of like-minded people to drift towards extremes over time.

 

[matchlight]

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This seems like a load of conspiracy theory drivel. US universities are full of anti-Semitic liberals? What?

Having read your posts, I think you are not standing on very firm ground when you call anyone else's drivel. I spent enough years on college campuses to know what leftists are all about. They are NOT liberals, even though they like to call themselves that. Jew-hating is not the least incompatible with being a collectivist.

 

[Lovebug]

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And denying the salvific nature of his sacrifice is certainly sinful.



Christ himself spoke many harsh things about the Jews. There is no basis in the Christian religion for believing that Jews are sacred.

I fail to see where it is written in the Bible that we are to reject of hate Jews, or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Redress]

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:shrug: conspiracy theories require conspiracies. All the growth of anti-Semitism required was groupthink, and the natural tendency of groups of like-minded people to drift towards extremes over time.

Well, not really. What Ikari was responding to was the equivalent of the claim made by a few that all the opposition to Obama is based on his race, and that the Tea Party is therefore racist. It takes the barest of factual frameworks(many liberals are not fans of things Israel does, or there is alot of opposition to Obama and he is black), and then extends and exaggerates it into something much greater than reality.

 

[RAMOSS]

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Aren't a lot of jewish people white ?

Yes, there are. A number are black too. Some are even Asian. The Lemba Tribe in South Africa is Jewish, and has the tradition of having migrated from Israel. Genetics back that up, because the priesthood has the Cohen genetic marker.

 

[Paleocon]

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I fail to see where it is written in the Bible that we are to reject of hate Jews, or anyone else for that matter.

Where have I advocated hatred of anyone?

I love Jews, as I do all people, which is why I wish they would abandon their rebellion and embrace the Catholic faith, as all ought to do.

Love=/=approval.

 

[RAMOSS]

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This whole 'the jews control the media' CT reminds me of a joke.

A story is told of a Jewish man who was riding on the subway reading an Arab newspaper.
A friend of his, who happened to been riding in the same subway car
, noticed this strange phenomenon. Very upset, he approached the newspaper reader:
"Moshe, have you lost your mind? Why are you reading an Arab newspaper?"

Moshe replied: "I used to read the Jewish newspaper, but what did I find?
Anti-Semitism in Europe, terrorism in Israel, Jews disappearing through assimilation
and intermarriage, Jews living in poverty. So I switched to the Arab newspaper.
Now what do I find? Jews own all the banks, Jews control the media, Jews are all rich
and powerful, Jews rule the world. The news is so much better!".

 

[Ikari]

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Having read your posts, I think you are not standing on very firm ground when you call anyone else's drivel. I spent enough years on college campuses to know what leftists are all about. They are NOT liberals, even though they like to call themselves that. Jew-hating is not the least incompatible with being a collectivist.

I have likely spent many more years on college campuses than you, and mostly this assertion that US universities are a haven for large groups of anti-Semitic leftists is hogwash. Conspiracy theory drivel.

 

[cpwill]

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Well, not really. What Ikari was responding to was the equivalent of the claim made by a few that all the opposition to Obama is based on his race, and that the Tea Party is therefore racist. It takes the barest of factual frameworks(many liberals are not fans of things Israel does, or there is alot of opposition to Obama and he is black), and then extends and exaggerates it into something much greater than reality.

Well, what Ikari was responding to was the claim that Luis Farhakan and Jeremiah Wright were anti-Semitic (I'm not sure that's what you would call a "theory" so much as it is "a data point") and that they had influenced Obama (which Obama says that at least the latter did).