Western Kentucky Professor: Trump's victory signals that human decency is no longer an American virtue

[Luce]

No. I choose instead to fight back. Enjoy the next four years of TRUMP AND MAGA BABY.

I will indeed. Can't wait to see prices after the tariffs kick in.

 

[BabaVoss]

Funny how Trump promised everything and anything but after he won he can’t promise anything at all.

 

[mike2810]

It was a legal tactic, involving laws and gaming the system.

That was teh plan, not the riot which was an unforeseen fluke.

imo, the riot was not unforeseen if you listen to what the speakers were saying at the Jan 6 rally. Both RudyG and Trump fired up the crowd.

The left likes to play very dishonest games, such as referencing Trump's plan to challenge the election.

There was such a plan. It was very convuluted and invovled a lot of political and legal manuvers and blah, blah, blah.

It was not convoluted plan. It was organized and planned in the States that participated. There was communication between higher ups in the Trump organization and those involved at the State level.

BUT the left likes to say "plan" of which there was one, but then dishonestly imply that the RIOT was part of that, when it clearly wasn't.

I am not so sure about this. I believe some in Trump organization wanted the Capital breached and the EC count stopped.

They are good for such dishonest shit. Since their ideas and policies are completely failed, and dangerous, they have to invent other ways to get people to vote for them.

Dishonesty happens on both sides. Some Republicans / conservatives are as dishonest as some Democrats.

I would bet that having the rally on Jan 6 was no mistake. Having the rally at the location on Jan 6 was no mistake. The Trump organization knew what they were doing and knew what outcome they wanted.

If there is evidence of the 2020 election fraud that stole the election from Trump no one has provided a link to it.

imo, some in the GOP planned to try and overturn the 2020 election by the use of fake EC votes.

july 2024

The cases against fake electors and where they stand - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

As part of Donald Trump and his allies’ nationwide effort to undermine the 2020 presidential election, 84 total fake electors across seven states signed false electoral certificates claiming that Trump won the election in their states. As of June 2024, fake electors from Arizona, Georgia...

www.citizensforethics.org

Attorney General Mayes Releases Unredacted Copy of Indictment in Fake Electors Case

PHOENIX – Attorney General Kris Mayes today released an unredacted copy of the indictment issued in late April by the State Grand Jury in the ongoing investigation into the fake elector scheme in Arizona.

www.azag.gov

 

[uptower]

“Before November 5th, for example, many of us were under the impression human kindness was a quality that defined our society.”

LOL. He must have been born about 5 minutes before he wrote that article.

I have to agree. The discourse in politics has been going downhill for decades. The decline has been steeper since Trump first ran but nothing has fundamentally changed since this election.

 

[Corbell]

imo, the riot was not unforeseen if you listen to what the speakers were saying at the Jan 6 rally. Both RudyG and Trump fired up the crowd.

It was not convoluted plan. It was organized and planned in the States that participated. There was communication between higher ups in the Trump organization and those involved at the State level.

I am not so sure about this. I believe some in Trump organization wanted the Capital breached and the EC count stopped.

Dishonesty happens on both sides. Some Republicans / conservatives are as dishonest as some Democrats.

I would bet that having the rally on Jan 6 was no mistake. Having the rally at the location on Jan 6 was no mistake. The Trump organization knew what they were doing and knew what outcome they wanted.

If there is evidence of the 2020 election fraud that stole the election from Trump no one has provided a link to it.

imo, some in the GOP planned to try and overturn the 2020 election by the use of fake EC votes.

july 2024

The cases against fake electors and where they stand - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

As part of Donald Trump and his allies’ nationwide effort to undermine the 2020 presidential election, 84 total fake electors across seven states signed false electoral certificates claiming that Trump won the election in their states. As of June 2024, fake electors from Arizona, Georgia...

www.citizensforethics.org

Attorney General Mayes Releases Unredacted Copy of Indictment in Fake Electors Case

PHOENIX – Attorney General Kris Mayes today released an unredacted copy of the indictment issued in late April by the State Grand Jury in the ongoing investigation into the fake elector scheme in Arizona.

www.azag.gov

Your stonewalling is noted.

 

[Luce]

Your stonewalling is noted.

Your apologisms for insurrectionist scumbags is noted.

 

[MamboDervish]

Lol. Now you are conflating laws and rules of political behavior.

No, I'm not.

Why not be honest about your issue with him? You have a political viewpoint, perhaps a vison of hte future you want, and he is opposing you.

THAT'S what your ire is about, not... this shit.

BE HONEST about your opposition.

???Wha??? I always have been, and always will be. I couldn't possibly have been more honest about my opposition over the years. Although I doubt that you are capable of even simple comprehension, perhaps if I shout it out, you might finally get it. Wish me luck, here goes nothing ....

I OPPOSE A LIFELONG RACIST; A BOASTFUL SEXUAL PREDATOR; A MEGALOMANIACAL FASCIST; A CONVICTED FELON; AND A LIFELONG UNREPENTANT RECIDIVIST CRIMINAL FRAUD IN THE OVAL OFFICE! DONALD TRUMP IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND THAT IS WITHOUT EVEN DELVING INTO HIS MULTITUDE OF DEBILITATING PSYCHOPATHOLOGIES, INCLUDING HIS MALIGNANT NARCISSISM, AND NEARLY TOTAL INABILITY TO SPEAK THE TRUTH!

Is that honest enough? Or would you like to see it all in bold, in a larger font, and in primary colors?

What is your vision of the future? What is it that you want for the world?

Complicated questions that would take more time than I have, but I can offer a handful of "Cliffnotes" without going into lengthy detail.

First and foremost, sustainability of earth's life sustaining biosphere, without which nothing else can follow. Then ....
Justice.
Equality.
Self determination.

In our Constitutional Democratic Republic, the path to accomplishing these things should begin by taking money out of our politics. We cannot simultaneously serve the planet, and its people, while we are serving "Special Interests". That is, by definition, a conflict of interest, fraught with perverse incentives.

 

[dockside]

Which is academia harbors these socialists and communist professors under the guise of education.

Says the poster who, I would strongly bet, never got an education beyond high school (job training is not education).

 

[mike2810]

Your stonewalling is noted.

what stonewalling?

Why would Trump believe more troops were needed for security?
He knew the people would most likely get out of hand.
Clear enough for you?

 

[MamboDervish]

lolol

This 10 seconds after liberals insist Trump lies constantly.

Back to selectively choosing when to believe Trump for maximum outrage.

Wow! What a stupid comment! I guess this is a public admission on your part that you can't tell the difference between the claims he is making - read: LIES - and the promises he's making - read: GOALS.

Please be sure and let us know when you finally learn to tell the difference. Or not.

 

[Corbell]

No, I'm not.

???Wha??? I always have been, and always will be. I couldn't possibly have been more honest about my opposition over the years. Although I doubt that you are capable of even simple comprehension, perhaps if I shout it out, you might finally get it. Wish me luck, here goes nothing ....

I OPPOSE A LIFELONG RACIST; .....

Stopped reading here, this country has had a bi-partisan consensus on equality for minorities since the mid 60s. Any pretense that this nation is generally or "systemically" racist against minorities is just dumb at this point.

Complicated questions that would take more time than I have, but I can offer a handful of "Cliffnotes" without going into lengthy detail.

First and foremost, sustainability of earth's life sustaining biosphere, without which nothing else can follow. Then ....
Justice.
Equality.
Self determination.

In our Constitutional Democratic Republic, the path to accomplishing these things should begin by taking money out of our politics. We cannot simultaneously serve the planet, and its people, while we are serving "Special Interests". That is, by definition, a conflict of interest, fraught with perverse incentives.

Well, ,thanks for actually answering.


Biosphere MMm,? Justice? Equality? Self determination?


Ok not bad.

Two quick points.


1. Elon Musk, electric car. Yet your side is hating him.


2.



Me? My vision is basically STAR TREK, original series. Freedom, prosperity and high tech and high energy. No composting toliets or windmills.

 

[Corbell]

what stonewalling?

Why would Trump believe more troops were needed for security?
He knew the people would most likely get out of hand.
Clear enough for you?

He knew that there would be a lot of people that, and it would be possible that some people might get out of hand.

If he planned to have the capitol stormed, offering troops to secure the building would make no sense.

 

[Luce]

Stopped reading here, this country has had a bi-partisan consensus on equality for minorities since the mid 60s. Any pretense that this nation is generally or "systemically" racist against minorities is just dumb at this point

Except when you call them vermin and want to deport legal residents because "they're eating the pets."

 

[MamboDervish]

Stopped reading here, this country has had a bi-partisan consensus on equality for minorities since the mid 60s. Any pretense that this nation is generally or "systemically" racist against minorities is just dumb at this point.

Of course you did. Why would you continue to have your fantasies shattered? Why not change the subject entirely, and offer the straw man about where the country has gone in the past 60 years, so you don't have to address what I wrote - which was about TRUMP'S LIFELONG HISTORY RACISM !!

Well, ,thanks for actually answering.

So I guess you didn't actually stop reading. You just thought it easier to lie about it than deal with the content of my post, and my sincere efforts to answer your question. So be it. We all know what you are.

Biosphere MMm,? Justice? Equality? Self determination?

These terms confuse you? Why am I not surprised.

Ok not bad.

Two quick points.


1. Elon Musk, electric car. Yet your side is hating him.

Sorry, but you don't tell me what my "side is". Don't waste your time pasting feeble stereotype on me. I tell you what my side is.

2.

Me? My vision is basically STAR TREK, original series. Freedom, prosperity and high tech and high energy. No composting toliets or windmills.

Simple solutions for simple minds. Science tells us the only way to get to ST:TOS is through composting toilets and windmills - or the equivalent thereof. You're dreaming about the jump to Warp Speed without recognizing that we'll all need to live on an inhabitable planet, just to get there someday. It's myopic at best.

 

[Corbell]

Except when you call them vermin and want to deport legal residents because "they're eating the pets."

Screw the illegals.

 

[Luce]

Screw the illegals.

Better polish your jackboots and clean your monocle and try again.

The people you were calling vermin and wanting to deport were here legally.

But they are also black and I guess you might find that intolerable, what with them "taking jobs from white people" as I believe you phrased it.

 

[Corbell]

Of course you did. Why would you continue to have your fantasies shattered? Why not change the subject entirely, and offer the straw man about where the country has gone in the past 60 years, so you don't have to address what I wrote - which was about TRUMP'S LIFELONG HISTORY RACISM !!

You saying racism is irrelevant to everything. So... boring.

So I guess you didn't actually stop reading. You just thought it easier to lie about it than deal with the content of my post, and my sincere efforts to answer your question. So be it. We all know what you are.

I went to the end and looked to see if you actually answered the question. You really felt a need to discuss that? LOL.

These terms confuse you? Why am I not surprised.

No, just aknowledging them, so you wouldn't whine that I skipped a point.

Sorry, but you don't tell me what my "side is". Don't waste your time pasting feeble stereotype on me. I tell you what my side is.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

Simple solutions for simple minds. Science tells us the only way to get to ST:TOS is through composting toilets and windmills - or the equivalent thereof. You're dreaming about the jump to Warp Speed without recognizing that we'll all need to live on an inhabitable planet, just to get there someday. It's myopic at best.

Low energy shit, is a fantasy from the navel gazing left, who's vision of the future somehow involves vast portions of hte population reducing their energy consumption to zero, and just sort of... fading away without complaint.


To get to what you want, we need iron government control, to force people to live without, while others have plenty. That is not freedom.

I want that freedom in the mix.


I take it you don't?

 

[ncguy]

Stopped reading here, this country has had a bi-partisan consensus on equality for minorities since the mid 60s. Any pretense that this nation is generally or "systemically" racist against minorities is just dumb at this point.



Well, ,thanks for actually answering.


Biosphere MMm,? Justice? Equality? Self determination?


Ok not bad.

Two quick points.


1. Elon Musk, electric car. Yet your side is hating him.


2.



Me? My vision is basically STAR TREK, original series. Freedom, prosperity and high tech and high energy. No composting toliets or windmills.

musk can be a disgusting person even if he makes a product one likes.

 

[ncguy]

You saying racism is irrelevant to everything. So... boring.





I went to the end and looked to see if you actually answered the question. You really felt a need to discuss that? LOL.



No, just aknowledging them, so you wouldn't whine that I skipped a point.



BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.





Low energy shit, is a fantasy from the navel gazing left, who's vision of the future somehow involves vast portions of hte population reducing their energy consumption to zero, and just sort of... fading away without complaint.


To get to what you want, we need iron government control, to force people to live without, while others have plenty. That is not freedom.

I want that freedom in the mix.


I take it you don't?

can you quote this "naval gazing left" who wants people to "fade away without complaint"? lol

 

[MamboDervish]

Screw the illegals.

Why?

 

[StarvedForChange]

The line is actually

Selfishness<--------------------|-------------------->Altruism​

and the current average rank is

Selfishness<-------X-----------|-------------------->Altruism​

You left out racism and bigotry. Americans have proven they're ok with hating brown people and LGBTQ people in 2 of the last 3 presidential elections.

 

[MamboDervish]

You saying racism is irrelevant to everything. So... boring.

WAKE UP! You don't like addressing Trump's LIFELONG HISTORY OF RACISM, so you excuse it by saying the subject is boring, and conveniently won't even bother addressing his decades long history of money laundering, sexual predation, libel, tax cheating and criminal FRAUD! Your dodge FAILS !!

I went to the end and looked to see if you actually answered the question. You really felt a need to discuss that? LOL.

No, just aknowledging them, so you wouldn't whine that I skipped a point.

So you skipped about 7 or 8 points instead? Do you even read your own comments before you hit send? I'm guessing either you don't, or you're just hoping the folks here on DP are too stupid to recognize how miserably your arguments continue to fail.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

Good comeback! Worthy of what we've all come to expect from your debating skills.

Low energy shit, is a fantasy from the navel gazing left, who's vision of the future somehow involves vast portions of hte population reducing their energy consumption to zero, and just sort of... fading away without complaint.

To get to what you want, we need iron government control, to force people to live without, while others have plenty. That is not freedom.

I want that freedom in the mix.

I take it you don't?

Inapplicable and impertinent memos from the great beyond. You spend an awful lot of time and energy to not address the content of my post. Why bother responding at all?

 

[dobieg]

I haven't noticed any logic at all from you as of yet.

If by logic you mean believing Jan 6 was some grand conspiracy scheme using that super sneaky tactic of using grannies in scooters to sneak past the Capital police to overthrow our government,...well,.....let's just say we have different versions of logic.

 

[dobieg]

You left out racism and bigotry. Americans have proven they're ok with hating brown people and LGBTQ people in 2 of the last 3 presidential elections.

Repeat after me.

Trump's your Daddy.

 

[dobieg]

Says the poster who, I would strongly bet, never got an education beyond high school (job training is not education).

Thank God there's more of us dumb voters than smarmy, condescending liberals.