Western Kentucky Professor: Trump's victory signals that human decency is no longer an American virtue

[ncguy]

It was a legal tactic, involving laws and gaming the system.

That was teh plan, not the riot which was an unforeseen fluke.




The left likes to play very dishonest games, such as referencing Trump's plan to challenge the election.

There was such a plan. It was very convuluted and invovled a lot of political and legal manuvers and blah, blah, blah.


BUT the left likes to say "plan" of which there was one, but then dishonestly imply that the RIOT was part of that, when it clearly wasn't.


They are good for such dishonest shit. Since their ideas and policies are completely failed, and dangerous, they have to invent other ways to get people to vote for them.

the fake electors have been charged with crimes.
that is not legal.

calling something illegal a "tactic" to "game the system" doesn't make it legal.

 

[soap box]

Your words make no sense. You claim that the political rally was not normal and then to support that false claim, you make another false claim that Trump tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

Then why did you use the word "game" in previous posts? That's a fine word with me, it diminishes what happened, but what was his game? Are you sure you think everything he did was legal?

Trump's elector plan was a peaceful and legal attempt to game the system. Much like Al Gore did in florida with his selective recount.

Gore slammed the gavel to declare himself the loser on January 6,2001 and had already given his concession speech before the EC started. Did trump do anything like that?

You used the word "game" . I understand trump gamed the system by lying about election fraud and that led the crowds to think there was a way trump could remain president.

The riot was not part of the plan. YOu are conflating different issues and adding in, complete garbage to justify your... exaggerated hysteria about Trump.

You would have to examine why Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were convicted, and also it needs an understanding of what trump believed would benefit him, if he he had more time to get state legislatures to change their EC slate for him. That's why I'm asking you - why didn't trump stop the riot before 3 pm?

That's why I'm asking- why did Giuliani try to call Tuberville to ask for more time?

Trump is a populist President who just kicked your ass. It is OUR TURN to have OUR interests represented.

That doesn't exonerate him from anything.

That you feel so upset, is YOU not wanting to have a constitutional and peaceful transfer of power.

That's odd to say because I'm glad Biden isn't pulling the same stunt next month.

This is not the end of democracy. This is us having our turn. YOU thinking that you should get to win always, is more of a threat to democracy and peace, than Trump.

Even if you don't think Trump expected the riot inside the building, you have not answered why he didn't stop the riot. Why didn't trump tell the rioters to leave the building so that the EC could resume? Why didn't trump call the NG?

 

[BabaVoss]

Stopped reading here. It clearly was NOT designed to foment violence.

Read through the sequence of events again that lead up to the insurrection. Read slower this time. Read it again, then ask someone smart to explain it to you.

 

[iguanaman]

LMAO. Meanwhile Joe Biden pardons his criminal son, and the libs defend it.

LOL Trump pardoned a family member and then made him ambassador to France. Hunter was railroaded on charges that no one else has ever been imprisoned for too. He would have been a fool not to pardon him.

 

[Corbell]

the fake electors have been charged with crimes.
that is not legal.

calling something illegal a "tactic" to "game the system" doesn't make it legal.

As long at the discussion is dominated by dishonest actors who are trying to write history so that 1/6 will go down as a VIOLENT COUP ATTEMPT,

discussing whether or not the electors... scheme, was legal or not, or valid or not, is... missing the point.


This country is NOT in danger of lossing it's democracy from Trump or MAGA. We are playing by the rules. We had ONE freaking riot on our side.


YOUR side, had hundreds, AND often with various degrees of support from the locial dem power structure, remember arresting Rittenhouse for defending himself from a violent mob?


And then you had mass arrests and lawfare. Not to mention ever increasing attempts at censorship, with disturbing levels of success.


This is OUR turn. The whole concept of a peaceful transfer of power, is that both, all sides recognize that the other sides sometimes win and get to have their turn.



YOU people are having a hissy fit becuase you are not respecting that. You thought that you were on the verge of fixing the system so that you could always win.

 

[Corbell]

Read through the sequence of events again that lead up to the insurrection. Read slower this time. Read it again, then ask someone smart to explain it to you.

Your desire to smear your enemies as... political thugs, is funny considering the hundreds of riots from the left during the same period, that killed dozens and devestaged whole communties.


DO you personally care about the issues of "food deserts" or "job deserts"?


Because if you do, next time you hear someone whining about it, give thanks to antifa and blm.

 

[ncguy]

As long at the discussion is dominated by dishonest actors who are trying to write history so that 1/6 will go down as a VIOLENT COUP ATTEMPT,

discussing whether or not the electors... scheme, was legal or not, or valid or not, is... missing the point.


This country is NOT in danger of lossing it's democracy from Trump or MAGA. We are playing by the rules. We had ONE freaking riot on our side.


YOUR side, had hundreds, AND often with various degrees of support from the locial dem power structure, remember arresting Rittenhouse for defending himself from a violent mob?


And then you had mass arrests and lawfare. Not to mention ever increasing attempts at censorship, with disturbing levels of success.


This is OUR turn. The whole concept of a peaceful transfer of power, is that both, all sides recognize that the other sides sometimes win and get to have their turn.



YOU people are having a hissy fit becuase you are not respecting that. You thought that you were on the verge of fixing the system so that you could always win.

uh, the fake elector plot being legal or not is EXACTLY the point, since its basically an attempt to subject democracy. .
one you want to avoid, obviously, due to the charges being levied against them. lol

Its disgustingly anti-american but that doesn't seem to bother you

 

[PoS]

LOL Trump pardoned a family member and then made him ambassador to France. Hunter was railroaded on charges that no one else has ever been imprisoned for too. He would have been a fool not to pardon him.

If he was my son I would have, but you libs claiming that no one is above the law is an absolute lie, so own it.

 

[Corbell]

uh, the fake elector plot being legal or not is EXACTLY the point, since its basically an attempt to subject democracy. .
one you want to avoid, obviously, due to the charges being levied against them. lol

Its disgustingly anti-american but that doesn't seem to bother you

You ignored my entire point about the conflating the issue with the riot.


That was you choosing to not be serious or honest about this issue.

 

[Luce]

Clearly.

The republicans had ONE riot this generation. There was no way that Trump could predict that the riot would happen. Especially as it seems to have been sparked by the dem controlled capitol police, when they fired (none lethal) on the peaceful protestors.

Any claim by any lefty that the riot was part of a planned insurrection, is stupid.

Amazing how there were several convictions for seditious conspiracy, which requires planning, right?

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

 

[Corbell]

Amazing how there were several convictions for seditious conspiracy, which requires planning, right?

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

Considering the abuse of the lawfare, no, it's not amazing. It is shameful. For America as a whole and dems specifically.

 

[Luce]

Considering the abuse of the lawfare, no, it's not amazing. It is shameful. For America as a whole and dems specifically.

They were convicted by juries of their peers.

Suck it up.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You can read the full article here. Here are some snippets on key points:

This is a terrific, but sad great read. Quite frankly, I cannot disagree with a single word he wrote. Do you guys think human decency is dead?

 

[MamboDervish]

As long at the discussion is dominated by dishonest actors who are trying to write history so that 1/6 will go down as a VIOLENT COUP ATTEMPT,

discussing whether or not the electors... scheme, was legal or not, or valid or not, is... missing the point.


This country is NOT in danger of lossing it's democracy from Trump or MAGA. We are playing by the rules. We had ONE freaking riot on our side.


YOUR side, had hundreds, AND often with various degrees of support from the locial dem power structure, remember arresting Rittenhouse for defending himself from a violent mob?


And then you had mass arrests and lawfare. Not to mention ever increasing attempts at censorship, with disturbing levels of success.


This is OUR turn. The whole concept of a peaceful transfer of power, is that both, all sides recognize that the other sides sometimes win and get to have their turn.



YOU people are having a hissy fit becuase you are not respecting that. You thought that you were on the verge of fixing the system so that you could always win.

I'm getting tired of your bullshit. Trump has no intentions of "playing by the rules". Quite the contrary, by his own admissions - nay declarations! - he intends to make up his own rules. Learn to listen to what he is telling you.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I'm getting tired of your bullshit. Trump has no intentions of "playing by the rules". Quite the contrary, by his own admissions - nay declarations! - he intends to make up his own rules. Learn to listen to what he is telling you.

Someone needs a hug

 

[ncguy]

You ignored my entire point about the conflating the issue with the riot.


That was you choosing to not be serious or honest about this issue.

because i'm not discussing that point. i'm discussing your feeble attempt to justify the fake elector scheme.

but if you want to discuss how the violent attempted coup was also anti american, i'm fine with that. lol

the whole thing was a disgusting hateful example of an attack on democracy....one you are fine wtih sadly.

 

[Corbell]

They were convicted by juries of their peers.

Suck it up.

No. I choose instead to fight back. Enjoy the next four years of TRUMP AND MAGA BABY.

 

[Corbell]

I'm getting tired of your bullshit. Trump has no intentions of "playing by the rules". Quite the contrary, by his own admissions - nay declarations! - he intends to make up his own rules. Learn to listen to what he is telling you.

Lol. Now you are conflating laws and rules of political behavior.


Why not be honest about your issue with him? You have a political viewpoint, perhaps a vison of hte future you want, and he is opposing you.


THAT'S what your ire is about, not... this shit.


BE HONEST about your opposition.


What is your vision of the future? What is it that you want for the world?

 

[dobieg]

Yes. AFTER Trump and his cronies riled them up, repeatedly using words like FIGHT and COMBAT many times, told them they had been lied to repeatedly, and threatened that they would lose their country if they didn’t “fight like hell”. Anyone could see it if they had their eyes open.

Did you read through the sequence of events building up to Jan 6th? This event had been in the works for months, planned and orchestrated. It is so obvious.


You are a fervent cult member. Does it hurt?

So basically saying what almost every other politician says on the campaign trail.


And sorry but only a complete baffoon would think Jan 6 was some sort of coordinated attack to overthrow the government. Yes I know grannies could have pulled out their dentures and threw them at Democrat lawmakers as they gingerly walked by but that hardly rises to the level of an armed insurrection or however the goofballs on the Left are trying to paint it.

 

[dobieg]

Read through the sequence of events again that lead up to the insurrection. Read slower this time. Read it again, then ask someone smart to explain it to you.

Then I'm quite certain no one is going to ask you to explain it to them,

 

[CaughtInThe]

Duh

 

[dobieg]

I'm getting tired of your bullshit. Trump has no intentions of "playing by the rules". Quite the contrary, by his own admissions - nay declarations! - he intends to make up his own rules. Learn to listen to what he is telling you.

lolol

This 10 seconds after liberals insist Trump lies constantly.

Back to selectively choosing when to believe Trump for maximum outrage.

 

[BabaVoss]

So basically saying what almost every other politician says on the campaign trail.

No.

And sorry but only a complete baffoon would think Jan 6 was some sort of coordinated attack to overthrow the government.

I posted the sequence of events that took place over months. Read it.

Yes I know grannies could have pulled out their dentures and threw them at Democrat lawmakers as they gingerly walked by but that hardly rises to the level of an armed insurrection or however the goofballs on the Left are trying to paint.

The reality of it is now a matter of history. Pretending it is not requires cult-like thinking.
You've got this.

 

[dobieg]

No.


I posted the sequence of events that took place over months. Read it.


The reality of it is now a matter of history. Pretending it is not requires cult-like thinking.
You've got this.

I'm not the one with the 6th grade logic trying to fit circles into squares.


By the way, we have a section for conspiracy theories. It's filled with loons but everyone needs to fit in somewhere.

 

[BabaVoss]

I'm not the one with the 6th grade logic trying to fit circles into squares.

I haven't noticed any logic at all from you as of yet.