Not to mention that artillery isn't something that can be used in an urban environment without causing lots of collateral damage, and you need pretty solid training to use them effectively. That means it's likely that they will do more harm to their own county than help.Today "Field Marshal Justin Trudeau" announced that Canada will be sending some of its 155mm Guns to Ukraine. We have prescious few 155mm guns (37 of them), not even two regiments worth of them. Nonetheless Trudeau is giving some away to Ukraine. Why aren't we giving Ukraine LAVs which we can make here rather than artillery which we bought at a very pretty penny from the UK and are in very short supply of? This is dumb. The dauphin strikes again!
Canada to send heavy artillery weapons to Ukraine, Trudeau pledges
The Prime Minister’s announcement came hours after he, U.S. President Joe Biden and other allied leaders discussed imposing further economic pain on Russia and vowed to provide more weaponry and aid to Ukrainewww.theglobeandmail.com
Oy Vey!
Evilroddy.
My guess is that the Donbass war will end up being one of attrition and at least the more artillery the Ukrainians are handed the more stalemated the conflict will be. I don't think it'll all take place in urban environments but maybe a more intense version of the trench warfare that was happening there previously.Not to mention that artillery isn't something that can be used in an urban environment without causing lots of collateral damage, and you need pretty solid training to use them effectively. That means it's likely that they will do more harm to their own county than help.
Why don't you think it will take place in an urban environment? Ukraine has been using indiscriminate bombardment against the eastern regions since 2014.My guess is that the Donbass war will end up being one of attrition and at least the more artillery the Ukrainians are handed the more stalemated the conflict will be. I don't think it'll all take place in urban environments but maybe a more intense version of the trench warfare that was happening there previously.
Given the small number, it was not needed.Today "Field Marshal Justin Trudeau" announced that Canada will be sending some of its 155mm Guns to Ukraine. We have prescious few 155mm guns (37 of them), not even two regiments worth of them. Nonetheless Trudeau is giving some away to Ukraine. Why aren't we giving Ukraine LAVs which we can make here rather than artillery which we bought at a very pretty penny from the UK and are in very short supply of? This is dumb. The dauphin strikes again!
Canada to send heavy artillery weapons to Ukraine, Trudeau pledges
The Prime Minister’s announcement came hours after he, U.S. President Joe Biden and other allied leaders discussed imposing further economic pain on Russia and vowed to provide more weaponry and aid to Ukrainewww.theglobeandmail.com
Oy Vey!
Evilroddy.
Most of the terrain in the contested area along the front isn't actually urban though. It's wooded terrain and small towns, and yes a ****ton of trenches.Why don't you think it will take place in an urban environment? Ukraine has been using indiscriminate bombardment against the eastern regions since 2014.
LOL More Putin propaganda? The Russians have been doing most of the shelling in Donbas since 2014.. They have turned those areas into totalitarian nightmares and have adopted the Constitution that Stalin wrote for them. You should move there.Why don't you think it will take place in an urban environment? Ukraine has been using indiscriminate bombardment against the eastern regions since 2014.
Are you using it at the moment?Today "Field Marshal Justin Trudeau" announced that Canada will be sending some of its 155mm Guns to Ukraine. We have prescious few 155mm guns (37 of them), not even two regiments worth of them. Nonetheless Trudeau is giving some away to Ukraine. Why aren't we giving Ukraine LAVs which we can make here rather than artillery which we bought at a very pretty penny from the UK and are in very short supply of? This is dumb. The dauphin strikes again!
Canada to send heavy artillery weapons to Ukraine, Trudeau pledges
The Prime Minister’s announcement came hours after he, U.S. President Joe Biden and other allied leaders discussed imposing further economic pain on Russia and vowed to provide more weaponry and aid to Ukrainewww.theglobeandmail.com
Oy Vey!
Evilroddy.
And you think the residents of those regions will want to join back up with Ukraine more or less after they've been subjected to shelling? Oh...in case you still doubt, which it seems you are...Most of the terrain in the contested area along the front isn't actually urban though. It's wooded terrain and small towns, and yes a ****ton of trenches.
And we're really nitpicking here, urban terrain or not, my larger point is that artillery is useful as long as you're using it on someone else, regardless of collateral damage.
I'm saying Ukraine is willing to do whatever and ask for whatever it takes to stall the Russian advance, as they should. Artillery helps them do that. We all know artillery can be indiscriminate. It doesn't make it useless.And you think the residents of those regions will want to join back up with Ukraine more or less after they've been subjected to shelling? Oh...in case you still doubt, which it seems you are...
OK? Cluster munitions bad we all know this.
(Berlin) – Ukrainian government forces used cluster munitions in populated areas in Donetsk city in early October 2014, Human Rights Watch said today. The use of cluster munitions in populated areas violates the laws of war due to the indiscriminate nature of the weapon and may amount to war crimes.
Coffee Crisp is worth fighting for.Are you using it at the moment?
America might be deranged, but:
1. America isn't going to put up with anyone ****ing with you, because that would harm our prestige, and also because you are the entire world's supply of Coffee Crisp.
2. If America became deranged enough to go after you, those artillery pieces would make precisely zero difference.
3. Canada isn't in the habit of engaging in offensive warfare.
I didn't say they were useless. I said they'd do more harm than good. If we're going to support Ukraine with weaponry, which I don't think we should be doing, then focusing on more direct fire weapons would be better, like anti-tank missiles and such.I'm saying Ukraine is willing to do whatever and ask for whatever it takes to stall the Russian advance, as they should. Artillery helps them do that. We all know artillery can be indiscriminate. It doesn't make it useless.
OK? Cluster munitions bad we all know this.
Canada only has 37 heavy field pieces?Today "Field Marshal Justin Trudeau" announced that Canada will be sending some of its 155mm Guns to Ukraine. We have prescious few 155mm guns (37 of them), not even two regiments worth of them. Nonetheless Trudeau is giving some away to Ukraine. Why aren't we giving Ukraine LAVs which we can make here rather than artillery which we bought at a very pretty penny from the UK and are in very short supply of? This is dumb. The dauphin strikes again!
Canada to send heavy artillery weapons to Ukraine, Trudeau pledges
The Prime Minister’s announcement came hours after he, U.S. President Joe Biden and other allied leaders discussed imposing further economic pain on Russia and vowed to provide more weaponry and aid to Ukrainewww.theglobeandmail.com
Oy Vey!
Evilroddy.
Going to war?Today "Field Marshal Justin Trudeau" announced that Canada will be sending some of its 155mm Guns to Ukraine. We have prescious few 155mm guns (37 of them), not even two regiments worth of them. Nonetheless Trudeau is giving some away to Ukraine. Why aren't we giving Ukraine LAVs which we can make here rather than artillery which we bought at a very pretty penny from the UK and are in very short supply of? This is dumb. The dauphin strikes again!
Canada to send heavy artillery weapons to Ukraine, Trudeau pledges
The Prime Minister’s announcement came hours after he, U.S. President Joe Biden and other allied leaders discussed imposing further economic pain on Russia and vowed to provide more weaponry and aid to Ukrainewww.theglobeandmail.com
Oy Vey!
Evilroddy.
He is giving them those because that is what they need. Ukraine is in a desperate situation. Canada is not. Canada does not need them now, Ukraine does need them now.Today "Field Marshal Justin Trudeau" announced that Canada will be sending some of its 155mm Guns to Ukraine. We have prescious few 155mm guns (37 of them), not even two regiments worth of them. Nonetheless Trudeau is giving some away to Ukraine. Why aren't we giving Ukraine LAVs which we can make here rather than artillery which we bought at a very pretty penny from the UK and are in very short supply of? This is dumb. The dauphin strikes again!
Canada to send heavy artillery weapons to Ukraine, Trudeau pledges
The Prime Minister’s announcement came hours after he, U.S. President Joe Biden and other allied leaders discussed imposing further economic pain on Russia and vowed to provide more weaponry and aid to Ukrainewww.theglobeandmail.com
Oy Vey!
Evilroddy.
Why on earth do you think we shouldn't support Ukraine with weapons?I didn't say they were useless. I said they'd do more harm than good. If we're going to support Ukraine with weaponry, which I don't think we should be doing, then focusing on more direct fire weapons would be better, like anti-tank missiles and such.
NolanVoyd:He is giving them those because that is what they need. Ukraine is in a desperate situation. Canada is not. Canada does not need them now, Ukraine does need them now.
They can be replaced long before Canada ever needs them.
Good job Trudeau.
Today "Field Marshal Justin Trudeau" announced that Canada will be sending some of its 155mm Guns to Ukraine. We have prescious few 155mm guns (37 of them), not even two regiments worth of them. Nonetheless Trudeau is giving some away to Ukraine. Why aren't we giving Ukraine LAVs which we can make here rather than artillery which we bought at a very pretty penny from the UK and are in very short supply of? This is dumb. The dauphin strikes again!
Canada to send heavy artillery weapons to Ukraine, Trudeau pledges
The Prime Minister’s announcement came hours after he, U.S. President Joe Biden and other allied leaders discussed imposing further economic pain on Russia and vowed to provide more weaponry and aid to Ukrainewww.theglobeandmail.com
Oy Vey!
Evilroddy.
Seriously. I'm pretty sure the NYPD has more than that!Canada only has 37 heavy field pieces?
Is that a joke of some sort?
Because it's not our place to be involved, it runs the risk of escalating the war to what end we don't know, and it is causing greater human loss than saving. Add in that Ukraine isn't being run by an amazingly moral government that deserves all the adulation it's getting is just garnish next to the steak.Why on earth do you think we shouldn't support Ukraine with weapons?
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