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A wall which frankly wouldn't do much if anything. Uh huh.

I think those who oppose it do so precisely because they're afraid it would be effective. Otherwise, why make a big deal against it?
 

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No. Merkel is not "right wing" by a long shot. If you were to mark a position in a space of indexes for "left" to "right" policies, she would be well "left" on almost every scale, in my opinion. But I would gladly hear a topic, where she is further "right" than "left" in an absolute sense.
In the case of the other two I just do not know.
Merkel is "centre".

In that she pursues the goals that the German conservatives have always held, ever since their inception after WWII.

The Bavarian sister party CSU (not running outside of Bavaria and in return getting Merkel's lot not running INside Bavaria) may aim for the centre as well but has always held that there must never be any room for anyone to the right of it. As a consequence of which it is now trying to move into AfD topics. A mistake IMO since those besotted with the right wing go straight to the original.

Both Cameron and Rasmussen are centrist, their respective countries as little enamored with extremer leanings (to left or right) as Germany is.
 

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I disagree fully. The political leaning of the Prime Minister is reflected in the government and the party she/he represents.



And her policies are right wing including the social ones. Now one can debate to what degree of course, but no European (nor world) politican would ever be able to be elected if they had the same degree of "right wing" social policies as the GOP has.

And yet, if you look, the GOP has the majority of governorships and the majority of state legislatures, so that's not quite and accurate assessment, now is it?
 

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The reason is that the EU is in dire straights and the populations are restive. The old political parties and elites are afraid of a loss of power and are thus resorting to the populism of vilification instead of debate. Hence the choice of words like "stormfront".
hardly anyone in Europe knows stormfront.

On vilification reigning in place of debate I nevertheless agree.
 

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I think those who oppose it do so precisely because they're afraid it would be effective. Otherwise, why make a big deal against it?


I oppose it because not only do I think it would not be effective, it would waste American resources
 

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And yet, if you look, the GOP has the majority of governorships and the majority of state legislatures, so that's not quite and accurate assessment, now is it?

If you look closely at the GOP, you find they're not in Europe.

Europe's governments. (2012)

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If you look closely at the GOP, you find they're not in Europe.

Europe's governments. (2012)

eu2012.png

Meh. Nice chart.

I don't know anything about politicalcompass.org. I've poked around their web site, as part of trying to vet the source, and I'm not finding who's running these studies.

When you plot the political positions of various organizations such as is shown, the determination of what's the middle and where to place it can skew the entire results. I'm not saying that's what's going on here, but it seems odd to me that EVERY nation listed is listed right authoritarian, even those that would leave the impression of being distinctly left.
 

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And yet, if you look, the GOP has the majority of governorships and the majority of state legislatures, so that's not quite and accurate assessment, now is it?

First off. The GOP has at the moment the majority of governorships. That can change and will in many states depending on the candidates.

Secondly. Having the state legislatures is nothing. They should all be thrown out and the districts be redrawn after non political methods. The reason that the GOP has a majority in state legislatures is that they have rigged the system to make it so. Same reason the GOP has a majority in the House despite way more people voting for Democrats the last few elections.. the system is rigged.
 

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First off. The GOP has at the moment the majority of governorships. That can change and will in many states depending on the candidates.

While it may, it hasn't. It lends credence to what I've been saying for some time now, in that the Dem rank and file have followed Obama over the cliff of leftist agenda pushing like Lemmings and have / are / and will continue to suffer for such.

Just think, every election cycle in November, when everyone has to sign up for Obamacare, when they get their premium sticker shock, a nice little reminder of what the Dems forced on the nation all by themselves. Obama bet the Dem's political future on Obamacare, and as the news gets worse and worse, their political future will begin to look dimmer and dimmer. The best of all is that Obamacare is firmly on the Dems that passed it without any Republican votes, and the people have permanently connected the Dems with it. Had it been more bipartisan . . . . It wouldn't be so.

Secondly. Having the state legislatures is nothing. They should all be thrown out and the districts be redrawn after non political methods. The reason that the GOP has a majority in state legislatures is that they have rigged the system to make it so. Same reason the GOP has a majority in the House despite way more people voting for Democrats the last few elections.. the system is rigged.

The congressional districting system is the system in place, and isn't going to be throw out, nor will the existing congressional districts. Yeah, tweaked and adjusted, per the congressional districting system, but not thrown out in whole, nor more than Denmark's voting districts are going to be thrown out.
 

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If you hate the dehumanizing of women, religious intolerance, laws that enforce the torture and execution of those who do not adhere to certain religious beliefs, if you hate bigotry or pedophilia, then you hate Islam!...



Guessing this was copied from Stormfront...

And most governments in Europe are right wing and have been for some time...

If I had the lack of decorum in the OP, I would be posting my admiration of Ian Paisley, Sr.

 
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Meh. Nice chart.

I don't know anything about politicalcompass.org. I've poked around their web site, as part of trying to vet the source, and I'm not finding who's running these studies.

When you plot the political positions of various organizations such as is shown, the determination of what's the middle and where to place it can skew the entire results. I'm not saying that's what's going on here, but it seems odd to me that EVERY nation listed is listed right authoritarian, even those that would leave the impression of being distinctly left.

That depends on the variation between their algorithm and your partisan political bent.
 

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That depends on the variation between their algorithm and your partisan political bent.

Since we know nothing of the algorithm being used to generate those political positions, doesn't bring that into question? Or is it that you accept that without questioning?
 

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Seriously... Merkel is right wing.. end of story. Her party is right wing, and her government is right wing. Is she "american right wing".. of course not, no one but the Americans are that. Cameron would be a left wing loon in the US for **** sake.

So yes Merkel is a right winger, by German standards, and by international standards.

In what do you see this "right wing" in anything but the comparison to a socialist one. Maybe I am missing something, so do you have some examples?

Also, comparison to a socialist system does not make her "American right wing". She would be left of Obama and probably of BS, though, I never compared BS and Merkel policies in detail. And the CDU/CSU are left leaning parties that stand for the old fashioned social programs European countries are handicapped with.
 

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And the CDU/CSU are left leaning parties that stand for the old fashioned social programs European countries are handicapped with.

And that makes them leftist? Of course not. No party in Europe, left or right, would ever be able to get elected if their goal was to get rid of the social programs that you oh so hate. Not even the far right who blame Muslims, Jews and homosexuals for everything will go so far as to dismantle the social programs..
 

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Please name them.

Government participation in:

Andorra, center right
Austria, mix of center right and center left
Belgium, center right
Bulgaria, center right
Croatia, mix of liberal and socialist democratic parties
Cyprus, center right
Czech republic, mix of social democrats, liberal
Denmark, center right
Finland, center right
France, leftist
Germany, mix of right wing and left wing
Greece, mix of left wing and right wing
Hungary, center right
Ireland, center right
Italy, mix of center right and center left
Latvia, center right and radical right
Lithuania, mix of leftist and right wing parties
Luxembourg, mix center right and center left
Malta, center left
Netherlands, mix of center right and center left
Norway, right wing parties
Poland, right wing parties
Portugal, center left
Slovakia, mix of center left and 3 right wing parties
Slovenia, center left and center right party mix
Spain, right wing party
Sweden, leftist parties
United Kingdom, right wing party

12 governments totally ruled by center right/right wing governments
4 governments totally ruled by left wing/center left parties
all others a mix between the 2.
 

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Lets see..

Germany, UK, Spain, The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Ireland, Poland, Hungary, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Luxembourg, Cyprus and technically Croatia.

Germany and the Netherlands are mixes between center right and center left so technically not totally right wing. As is Luxembourg, 2 left and 1 right wing party.
 

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What facts? Why would any refugees be allowed in right wing countries? Are these governments Nazis like so many claim about the right? And which one of those countries has a majority of right wingers in the parliments or whatever you call them.

You see the left calls any disagreement right wing. So do you just disagree with some laws, therefore leading you to believe they are right wing?

Even right wing governments have to allow (at least in the Western EU democracies) refugees because they have agreed to do so under previous governments and under international agreements.
 

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And that makes them leftist? Of course not. No party in Europe, left or right, would ever be able to get elected if their goal was to get rid of the social programs that you oh so hate. Not even the far right who blame Muslims, Jews and homosexuals for everything will go so far as to dismantle the social programs..

Hate social programs? That sounds an odd way of thinking. But you are right that the population is not very rational and likes the myth of free security. Also it is queer that they stick to much more expensive programs instead of looking for better solutions. What will be interesting, will be the Finnish experiments and the Swiss referendum.
 

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I'm non-white -- why does every criticism from Islam have to be Stormfront? There are a lot of non-white people like me who support Trump. And it's not just because of the Muslim thing, it's because of his strong desire to Make America Great Again, as opposed to the Democrats, who want to give everything away.


Keep up. This thread isn't about Islam.
 

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Vote for the man who is the opposite of the leftists who destroyed Europe and fighting overtime to bring America down the same path.

Trump will keep us safe

I doubt it. Trump is unpredictable and unstable. He has told so many lies that he makes Hillary Clinton seem like a model of integrity. He has made campaign promises that no sensible person can believe he can keep.
 
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