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Way to ruin Europe Leftists

PeteEU said:
What are you talking about? It is a fact that Cameron is right wing, and as is the PM of Spain, Holland, and Denmark. Now by American standards they are not, but the world does not go after American standards... by American standards every conservative party in the world except a very few... are leftist.
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I was looking for facts from you to backup your assertion that some EU 'governments' were 'right wing'.

Sure, there are some slightly right leaders in the EU. But if I'm not mistaken, that's not what you posted.
 
eohrnberger said:
I was looking for facts from you to backup your assertion that some EU 'governments' were 'right wing'.

Sure, there are some slightly right leaders in the EU. But if I'm not mistaken, that's not what you posted.
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They are definitely rightist, it's the fringe viewpoint that skews your impressions.
 
Manc Skipper said:
They are definitely rightist, it's the fringe viewpoint that skews your impressions.
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The frame of references are much different between the two continents.

Form your EU frame of reference, yeah, I can see where a US moderate position would seem to be right, just as what would be moderate in the EU point of view seems positively leftist when cast against the US frame of reference.

I'll also admit that there is no right or wrong on frames of references, just that they are and that they are different. To each his own.
 
PopeADope said:
Obviously you don't hear much of what Hillary, Obama, or leftist America says. Stop hybernating
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Obviously you think USA = the world and have nothing to contribute when the discussion goes beyond your borders.
 
It is the political correctness regarding pure evil, socialism, abortion, and worthless philosophies that American leftists push that destroyed Europe
 
PopeADope said:
It is the political correctness regarding pure evil, socialism, abortion, and worthless philosophies that American leftists push that destroyed Europe
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Right after the democratic president Roosevelt, who certainly was socialist in a few policies (that's not a sin, btw), brought american lives that gave their lives to liberate that same Europe from the most evil person to live in the last 200 years, easy. Why does everyone get down on america? We're not perfect, but heaven help us, we try to do what's right. Now do politicians twist that for their own so we end up in Iraq? Yep. But that wasn't the american left (and I'm a registered Republician, so don't come at me being a liberal. I'm a moderate that believes small, effectively run, govenrment is the way to win the day).
 
PeteEU said:
Well you would be wrong. The countries I listed have center-right to right wing governments. They are no way "center left". The problem here is your definition of "right wing".. it simply does not meet any international standards what so ever...
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The American right whinge have decided that even the dictionary is loaded against them so they 'redefine' words according to what they need from them at the moment.
 
Grand Mal said:
The American right whinge have decided that even the dictionary is loaded against them so they 'redefine' words according to what they need from them at the moment.
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You have that backwards. But, hey.
 
eohrnberger said:
I was looking for facts from you to backup your assertion that some EU 'governments' were 'right wing'.

Sure, there are some slightly right leaders in the EU. But if I'm not mistaken, that's not what you posted.
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Merkel is right wing is she not?`
Cameron is right wing is he not?
Rassmusen in Denmark is right wing is he not?

The list goes on and on.
 
PeteEU said:
Guessing this was copied from Stormfront...

And most governments in Europe are right wing and have been for some time...
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I'm non-white -- why does every criticism from Islam have to be Stormfront? There are a lot of non-white people like me who support Trump. And it's not just because of the Muslim thing, it's because of his strong desire to Make America Great Again, as opposed to the Democrats, who want to give everything away.
 
PeteEU said:
Merkel is right wing is she not?`
Cameron is right wing is he not?
Rassmusen in Denmark is right wing is he not?

The list goes on and on.
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Merkel has flip-flopped. Before she was sensibly criticizing "MultiKulti" as a failed European experiment.
Now she's trying to stuff as many Middle Eastern refugees into Germany and Europe as possible.

Middle East - the most violent and strife-torn places on the planet - and she and the European Left want to import all of that into Europe. The fighting and strife in the Middle East is happening among Middle Easterners. If you import them to Europe, you will bring all their problems into the Europe with them.
 
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sanman said:
Merkel has flip-flopped. Before she was sensibly criticizing "MultiKulti" as a failed European experiment.
Now she's trying to stuff as many Middle Eastern refugees into Germany and Europe as possible.

Middle East - the most violent and strife-torn places on the planet - and she and the European Left want to import all of that into Europe. The fighting and strife in the Middle East is happening among Middle Easterners. If you import them to Europe, you will bring all their problems into the Europe with them.
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Is Merkel part of a right wing party or not?
 
yeah, i don't know what it is about lefties, they're not exactly suicidal but they're definitely something close.
 
PeteEU said:
Is Merkel part of a right wing party or not?
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The rest of her own party don't like her right now - she's a Party of One.
 
sanman said:
I'm non-white -- why does every criticism from Islam have to be Stormfront? There are a lot of non-white people like me who support Trump. And it's not just because of the Muslim thing, it's because of his strong desire to Make America Great Again, as opposed to the Democrats, who want to give everything away.
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It's a nice slogan and all, but "lock up everybody who doesn't look like me and build a useless wall" doesn't exactly inspire confidence that he can actually do what he says he's going to.
 
sanman said:
The rest of her own party don't like her right now - she's a Party of One.
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Again you are not answering the question..... how typical far right wing of you.
 
PeteEU said:
Merkel is right wing is she not?`
Cameron is right wing is he not?
Rassmusen in Denmark is right wing is he not?

The list goes on and on.
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I don't think that it's an apples to apples comparison between the elected leader's lean and calling the government the same lean, just because they are leading the government.

The other are the accumulated policies, typically social policies the government and society runs by.

I think they are two very much different things. Don't you?
 
Tigerace117 said:
It's a nice slogan and all, but "lock up everybody who doesn't look like me and build a useless wall" doesn't exactly inspire confidence that he can actually do what he says he's going to.
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Straw Man - that's not what Trump said - what he said was that the ILLEGAL border-crossing must be stopped with a Wall. Everything else by you is just an attempt at obfuscation.

Do you somehow feel that Kate Steinle's death would have been more acceptable if she'd been murdered by an illegal Norwegian?

PeteEU said:
Again you are not answering the question..... how typical far right wing of you.
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No, that was a legitimate answer. Her own party doesn't like her.
 
sanman said:
Straw Man - that's not what Trump said - what he said was that the ILLEGAL border-crossing must be stopped with a Wall. Everything else by you is just an attempt at obfuscation.

Do you somehow feel that Kate Steinle's death would have been more acceptable if she'd been murdered by an illegal Norwegian?



No, that was a legitimate answer. Her own party doesn't like her.
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A wall which frankly wouldn't do much if anything. Uh huh.
 
eohrnberger said:
I don't think that it's an apples to apples comparison between the elected leader's lean and calling the government the same lean, just because they are leading the government.
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I disagree fully. The political leaning of the Prime Minister is reflected in the government and the party she/he represents.

The other are the accumulated policies, typically social policies the government and society runs by.
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And her policies are right wing including the social ones. Now one can debate to what degree of course, but no European (nor world) politican would ever be able to be elected if they had the same degree of "right wing" social policies as the GOP has.
 
PeteEU said:
Merkel is right wing is she not?`
Cameron is right wing is he not?
Rassmusen in Denmark is right wing is he not?

The list goes on and on.
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No. Merkel is not "right wing" by a long shot. If you were to mark a position in a space of indexes for "left" to "right" policies, she would be well "left" on almost every scale, in my opinion. But I would gladly hear a topic, where she is further "right" than "left" in an absolute sense.
In the case of the other two I just do not know.
 
sanman said:
I'm non-white -- why does every criticism from Islam have to be Stormfront? There are a lot of non-white people like me who support Trump. And it's not just because of the Muslim thing, it's because of his strong desire to Make America Great Again, as opposed to the Democrats, who want to give everything away.
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The reason is that the EU is in dire straights and the populations are restive. The old political parties and elites are afraid of a loss of power and are thus resorting to the populism of vilification instead of debate. Hence the choice of words like "stormfront".
 
joG said:
No. Merkel is not "right wing" by a long shot. If you were to mark a position in a space of indexes for "left" to "right" policies, she would be well "left" on almost every scale, in my opinion. But I would gladly hear a topic, where she is further "right" than "left" in an absolute sense.
In the case of the other two I just do not know.
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Seriously... Merkel is right wing.. end of story. Her party is right wing, and her government is right wing. Is she "american right wing".. of course not, no one but the Americans are that. Cameron would be a left wing loon in the US for **** sake.

So yes Merkel is a right winger, by German standards, and by international standards.
 
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