First of all, they DID nothing...nothing at all. He's FOS.
Secondly, the POTUS or one of his subordinates would have to give that order.
Was the order they gave...STAND DOWN?
Are you asking that question? If you have to ask does that mean you don't know?
Also, "It was an election year so he had to leave four Americans to die to avoid looking back" has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen anywhere, because the entire thing is based on the premise that letting Americans die looks good in an election.
I was posing the question to the OP but, if you would care to answer?
I'll take Valerie Jarrett for the win. Barry was busy planning his next vacation or something.
I was posing the question to the OP but, if you would care to answer?
I'll take Valerie Jarrett for the win. Barry was busy planning his next vacation or something.
Are you asking that question? If you have to ask does that mean you don't know?
Also, "It was an election year so he had to leave four Americans to die to avoid looking back" has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen anywhere, because the entire thing is based on the premise that letting Americans die looks good in an election.
My answer is that I'll look at the facts first and nothing there suggests a stand down order was given and certainly not a deliberate choice was made to simply leave them to die.
The "facts" that the govt gives you is what you'll look at...and we all know the govt would never lie to citizens, right?
We can get the 82nd Airborne halfway around the world overnight if we want to. Don't tell me they couldn't have sent help when an embassy is attacked. There are bases in the med where support could have come from. Sigonella is only a few hundred miles from libya...less than 30 minutes for air support to arrive.
First of all, they DID nothing...nothing at all. He's FOS.
Secondly, the POTUS or one of his subordinates would have to give that order.
Was the order they gave...STAND DOWN?
Benghazi is not going to go away until we are given the truth about what happened, IMO. If an Ambassador's death isn't considered important, where does that leave the rest of us?
There was no Stand Down order. No matter how much you attempt to conjure one out of thin air.Without an order from the POTUS or one of his keepers, none of these assets would be available.
Sounds like dereliction of duty. Our military wasn't prepared to respond in the hottest place in the world at the time.
I seem to remember when terrorist were discovered to be on board a commercial airliner over the Mediterranean Sea during the Reagan administration, in less than 30 minutes after receiving the orders from Cn'C Reagan, Navy aircraft took off of a carrier and intercepted that aircraft and forced it to land at a NATO air base in Italy.
Well that was Reagan's military. What did Obama's military have in the area ? Nothing.
BTW: Admiral Mullen was known as being one of the biggest yes men to ever have four stars on his collar.
The Obama campaign message was that UBL was dead, GM was alive and well and that Al Qaeda was on the run. That made it politcally dangerous for Obama to admit that terrorists were still quite able to plan successful attacks against U.S. personnel and receive no U.S. retaliation. Better to play off Benghazi as just another random protest over an offensive movie and not a terrorist attack against some very vulnerable U.S. facilities.
The "facts" that the govt gives you is what you'll look at...and we all know the govt would never lie to citizens, right?
We can get the 82nd Airborne halfway around the world overnight if we want to. Don't tell me they couldn't have sent help when an embassy is attacked. There are bases in the med where support could have come from. Sigonella is only a few hundred miles from libya...less than 30 minutes for air support to arrive.
There was no Stand Down order. No matter how much you attempt to conjure one out of thin air.Without an order from the POTUS or one of his keepers, none of these assets would be available.
This map isn't only stupidly old compared to when the attack in Benghazi took place, but it also reflects the results of a massive amount of planning and logistical operations that don't just happen over night or on the fly. Also Obama doesn't have command over foreign military...
That was the hijacking of the Achille Lauro by Palestinians, who were trying to force Israel to release 50 Palestinian terrorist prisoners. They killed a Jew in a wheelchair named Leon Klinghoffer. Reagan's go to guy Oliver North brought them down. It was a thing of beauty.
Ok you as a politician want to keep the narrative going that Al Qaeda is on the run, which doesn't exactly mean defeated or no longer dangerous but lets assume it does for this argument. How would letting four Americans die help that narrative!?!?! It still makes no damn sense, sure if they were already dead the protest narrative may be a good cover but if you'd only saved them to begin with you wouldn't need that as a back up. So again, WHY LET THEM DIE?!?!
What says Al Qaeda is weak better, "Al Qaeda launched an attack but resulted in no American deaths" or "Al Qaeda launched an attack that killed four?"
No we can't get the 82nd ABN halfway around the world overnight, you have a cartoonish view of the military. And Sigonella does not host combat aircraft, again you don't know what you're talking about.
Ok you as a politician want to keep the narrative going that Al Qaeda is on the run, which doesn't exactly mean defeated or no longer dangerous but lets assume it does for this argument. How would letting four Americans die help that narrative!?!?! It still makes no damn sense, sure if they were already dead the protest narrative may be a good cover but if you'd only saved them to begin with you wouldn't need that as a back up. So again, WHY LET THEM DIE?!?!
What says Al Qaeda is weak better, "Al Qaeda launched an attack but resulted in no American deaths" or "Al Qaeda launched an attack that killed four?"
No we can't get the 82nd ABN halfway around the world overnight, you have a cartoonish view of the military. And Sigonella does not host combat aircraft, again you don't know what you're talking about.
That the attack was not a terrorist attack at all, but simply a protest that got out of control.
It never ceases to intrigue me that the most inconsequential part of the Benghazi incident -- the original blaming of the "protest" -- is the one that most seems to have the right wing's knickers in a twist.
Because it was done purposefully, after the fact and not "in the fog of war". Blame can be placed easily for simply making up a convenient lie to help the current administration politically. As with most gov't screw ups, it is not that mistakes were made which makes them so bad, it is the cover up, denial of responsibility and blame shifting that pisses folks off. Everyone else seemed to have figured out the extreme danger in Benghazi and left, except for the U.S. which "lacked resources" to even think clearly, it would appear. Obviously, if there was officially no problem then there will be no solution sought for it.
It never ceases to intrigue me that the most inconsequential part of the Benghazi incident -- the original blaming of the "protest" -- is the one that most seems to have the right wing's knickers in a twist.
The Administration shouldn't have spun the story; it should have been transparently truthful with the American people. It was not. It still is not.