Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied Head

[dolphinocean]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

So, nobody knows.... even if, the prosecution cannot really determine what really went down with all their investigation behind it

What do you do? I'm not talking about what's right, but about what's legal.

You lay out all the evidence before the jury and let the jury decide.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

That's what Zimmerman supposedly claimed, according to sources.

But, I was asking you for your source on "the witness" which you previously claimed as follows:

"the witness to the incident knows
and he has stated that it was martin"​

you don't think zimmerman is a witness
hell, he is the only one who saw the whole incident

 

[dolphinocean]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

you don't think zimmerman is a witness
hell, he is the only one who saw the whole incident

Nothing to do with what you or I think. Fact is: nope, he is NOT a witness of his own involvment.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

This one did. If Martin was anything but black, hardly anyone would even hear about this case.

You think tye Civil Rights industry would have made a big deal over this case if Martin was white? Notta chance!

Some people are making a big deal out of it because their is a black person involved, and that includes you.

If it involved a child being kidnapped, Nancy Grace would be all over it.

If my aunt was man, she'd be my uncle.


I really don't see your comments as having any real meaning to this conversation. I just see your comments as some kind of race baiting and/or distraction, and it's not needed in this discussion. Race means nothing in the light of the investigation and coming evidence and facts. Race shouldn't nor do I believe it will convict Zimmerman of murder, and that fear that it will, is also generating as much support for Zimmerman's side and reactions on Stormfront.

I mean, who the **** could seriously comprehend that some people are above the race debate concerning this issue?

 

[Risky Thicket]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Ask anyone who has been hit square ass in the face with a large fist and have the lights go out momentarily think if its serious bodily injury or death

Does that happen to you often?

 

[ric27]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

You lay out all the evidence before the jury and let the jury decide.

The jury will decide who has the better lawyer, no doubt

 

[ric27]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Does that happen to you often?

Yeah, it happens. I've been hit me in the head a couple of times.

The last was one, I lost my knife. The knife, I lost, I left sticking in the leg of a Latin transvestite that hit me in the head with a bottle of Stolichnaya to rob me in the street. She wanted her leg more than I wanted the S & W.... I guess.

 

[Crosscheck]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Gimme a ****ing break! You wouldn't even give a rat's ass about this kid if he wasn't black, or if he had been offed by a black dude.

Spare us the righteous bull****, please.

Not really true. Very have been many deaths of white kids that has gotten public attention. The longest running tv show of FOX tv is "Most Wanted" with John Walsh whose white son, Adam, was kidnapped and killed. Other white kids who have became household names are Polly Klaas and Elizabeth Smart.
There are a number of other innocent kids white and black killed who have gotten public attention. This particular case got attention when the actual shooter was allowed to just go home as if he had a faulty tail light and that is what got everyone's attention. But you go ahead and wave your little race card.

 

[Thunder]

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Gimme a ****ing break! You wouldn't even give a rat's ass about this kid if he wasn't black, or if he had been offed by a black dude....

again you project your own extreme & persistent race-consciousness on others.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Nothing to do with what you or I think. Fact is: nope, he is NOT a witness of his own involvment.

how can you say that someone - in this case the only one able - to describe the first hand events is not a witness
his account cannot be dismissed
it can be challenged by facts disproving the veracity of that account
but the state has already acknowledged it has no witnesses to do that

 

[Excon]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Just try it in court and see what happens when the jury decide on it. You can tell the jury this kind of things happen all the time and this is normal, ultimately it is the jury would decide whether this kind of things happens all the time or this is normal.

Sadly, you do not know of what you speak.
These kind of things happen all the time.
This is normal.
Get over it.

Fact is: nope, he is NOT a witness of his own involvment.

We have comedy relief here I see. lol

Fact is; Yes he is. Doh!

 

[dolphinocean]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

how can you say that someone - in this case the only one able - to describe the first hand events is not a witness
his account cannot be dismissed
it can be challenged by facts disproving the veracity of that account
but the state has already acknowledged it has no witnesses to do that

No, he is not and cannot be deemed as a witness to event in which he was the source of investigation. He cannot be a witness of his own account to his own story.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

No, he is not and cannot be deemed as a witness to event in which he was the source of investigation. He cannot be a witness of his own account to his own story.

certainly, he can
happens all the time

 

[dolphinocean]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Sadly, you do not know of what you speak.
These kind of things happen all the time.
This is normal.
Get over it.


We have comedy relief here I see. lol

Fact is; Yes he is. Doh!

No, this kind of thing isn't normal. Neither happens all the time. It's just you making undue hyperbolic argument from thin air. That's kinda how you argue your case.

If you are required to have a witness to sign a legal paper, can you claim that you are the witness to the signing of the legal document?

 

[dolphinocean]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

certainly, he can
happens all the time

So, you can just sign yourself as witness in a legal document that involved your signature and a witness signature?

 

[justabubba]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

So, you can just sign yourself as witness in a legal document that involved your signature and a witness signature?

no need
the police took his statement
he was a witness to the event

 

[dolphinocean]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

no need
the police took his statement
he was a witness to the event

What can I do with a global denial?

 

[Excon]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

No, this kind of thing isn't normal. Neither happens all the time.

Yeah it is. It happens to everybody.

Everyday, though out life, people make initial assumptions / judgements and then change their minds later, only to find out they were originally correct.
This is not absurd, but normal human behavior.​

Sadly, you do not know of what you speak.
These kind of things happen all the time.
This is normal.
Get over it.

If you are required to have a witness to sign a legal paper, can you claim that you are the witness to the signing of the legal document?

You are letting yourself become confused by two separate types of witnessing.

 

[dolphinocean]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Yeah it is. It happens to everybody.

Everyday, though out life, people make initial assumptions / judgements and then change their minds later, only to find out they were originally correct.
This is not absurd, but normal human behavior.​

Sadly, you do not know of what you speak.
These kind of things happen all the time.
This is normal.
Get over it.

You may want to call it normal. But, when it comes to trial the jury will decide whether to believe your story or not if you present two different versions of story that are inconsistent with each other.

You are letting yourself become confused by two separate types of witnessing.

And you are trying to commit the fallacy of ambiguity of equivocation.

 

[Excon]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

You may want to call it normal. But, when it comes to trial the jury will decide whether to believe your story or not if you present two different versions of story that are inconsistent with each other.

We will see.
If the Prosecutor thinks it is as important as you do and it makes a difference, undoubtedly she will have it brought up.

Either way, it will easily be countered by simply pointing out that, everyday, though out life, people make initial assumptions / judgements and then change their minds later, only to find out they were originally correct.
That it is normal behavior.

I don't even see why you are bothering with such petty ****.

Anybody who believes they have seen someone in their late teens, would change their minds when they are subjected to a nose breaking punch and then getting their head slammed.
Anybody experiencing such could, and would change what they thought of the person's age.
Your argument is nothing more that hysterics.

Get over it.

And you are trying to commit the fallacy of ambiguity of equivocation.

:lamo
Not at all.

 

[dolphinocean]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

We will see.
If the Prosecutor thinks it is as important as you do and it makes a difference, undoubtedly she will have it brought up.

Either way, it will easily be countered by simply pointing out that, everyday, though out life, people make initial assumptions / judgements and then change their minds later, only to find out they were originally correct.
That it is normal behavior.

I don't even see why you are bothering with such petty ****.

Anybody who believes they have seen someone in their late teens, would change their minds when they are subjected to a nose breaking punch and then getting their head slammed.
Anybody experiencing such could, and would change what they thought of the person's age.
Your argument is nothing more that hysterics.

Get over it.


:lamo
Not at all.

Is there a point in there that I should waste anymore time on, Exxcon?

 

[Excon]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Is there a point in there that I should waste anymore time on, Exxcon?

:doh
lol
Yes.

 

[Boo Radley]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

excellent point
now look at this:



tell us how we KNOW that

That Maritn was wining?

We ahd a wirtness who looked down after it started and gave testimony that Martin was on top. That however gives us nothing but who was winning. And while that witness could be lying as well, it is more credibile than just the word of the man who did the shooting.

 

[Thunder]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

well, it looks like Zimmerman won in the end, as he killed that "asshole" Martin.

 

[Boo Radley]

Re: Warning Graphic Photo: Possible New Evidence Shows George Zimmerman's Bloodied He

Make no mistake about it, we know much of what is claimed.

Now if you want to say unconfirmed.
As in, we haven't heard it from Zimmerman's own mouth, or seen / read his statement. Great! Go ahead.

But what he actually claims is evidence.

And a crucial element that many want to ignore, is what the police have told us about his claims and how all the evidence applies to them.
Chief Lee said there was no evidence to dispute Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.
That is a very strong statement.

The only thing that is possibly new is the Girlfriends statement and anything that Zimmerman may have misstated to the Special Prosecutor.
That's it.


So again.
This is the evidence that is known to us.
It is not speculation.

What he claims is evidence, to be taken for as much as it deserves (which is very little). And having no evidence to dispute soemthing isn't the same as saying that is what happened. What I responded to was someone stating that these claims were facts. They are not. State it as his testimony. Weight as much as it deserves. But don't say we know these facts when they are not facts.