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Soooo many war threads started by right-wingers decrying left winger hypocrisy for those who back Obama's Syria moves (which I don't).
I want an honest show of conservatives that were opposed to Bush's foreign war policies as that march to stupidity was happening.
Just give me one.
I wasn't but neither am I bashing Obama for Syria. It's a tough situation. One that makes me glad I'm not president.
You forgot the true one, #4, that this major dumb donkey drew a red line and now, cause he either doesn't get good foreign policy advice [ plausible ] or he just ignores it [ very plausible ]...and now we have to do something as the world is watching, if we do nothing in this stupidly created situation, our enemies will take that as open season for three more years of an already acknowledged weak, feeble American presidency...and what message does that send to our allies? My god, where is there any coherence to this foreign policy?I see a fracture in both parties.
On the left you have:
1) those who are steadily not for war and
2) those who back Obama's moves for war.
On the right you have a three-fold split:
1) Those who think Obama is moving too slow and should've been bombing Syria two years ago.
2) Those who don't think we should go into the Syria conflict simply because Obama said we should.
3) True libertarians who are practically always opposed to foreign interventions
Where are the #3's here? I'm not seeing them that much.
You forgot the true one, #4, that this major dumb donkey drew a red line and now, cause he either doesn't get good foreign policy advice [ plausible ] or he just ignores it [ very plausible ]...and now we have to do something as the world is watching, if we do nothing in this stupidly created situation, our enemies will take that as open season for three more years of an already acknowledged weak, feeble American presidency...and what message does that send to our allies? My god, where is there any coherence to this foreign policy?
And if this guy commits two acts of war on his own, Libya and then this one in Syria, and he stupidly escalated the "forgotten war" in Afghanistan [ to what good result??]... should he have to give back that peace prize? Just wondering how all that works....:lamo
You forgot the true one, #4, that this major dumb donkey drew a red line and now, cause he either doesn't get good foreign policy advice [ plausible ] or he just ignores it [ very plausible ]...and now we have to do something as the world is watching, if we do nothing in this stupidly created situation, our enemies will take that as open season for three more years of an already acknowledged weak, feeble American presidency...and what message does that send to our allies? My god, where is there any coherence to this foreign policy?
And if this guy commits two acts of war on his own, Libya and then this one in Syria, and he stupidly escalated the "forgotten war" in Afghanistan [ to what good result??]... should he have to give back that peace prize? Just wondering how all that works....:lamo
Wow that guy sure musta been getting a lotta action, huh? Your side of aisle types were standing in line trying screw him from behind the entire time...meh... that's all just whiny excuses as to why someone is a conservative #2. Because these guys in what you described were busy sucking Rumsfeld's dick when he did the whole "known unknows" speech.
Wow, pulling the race card that fast are ya? See, in real debate you should be using something besides that. Americans have shown, now at obvious great expense to ourselves with this choice, that we are not prejudiced, have not been for years and years... but with this divisive president growing further and further apart...So dumb that he managed to be elected to the highest office twice in a country that has a history of suppressing black people?
I see a fracture in both parties.
On the left you have:
1) those who are steadily not for war and
2) those who back Obama's moves for war.
On the right you have a three-fold split:
1) Those who think Obama is moving too slow and should've been bombing Syria two years ago.
2) Those who don't think we should go into the Syria conflict simply because Obama said we should.
3) True libertarians who are practically always opposed to foreign interventions
Where are the #3's here? I'm not seeing them that much.
You forgot the true one, #4, that this major dumb donkey drew a red line and now, cause he either doesn't get good foreign policy advice [ plausible ] or he just ignores it [ very plausible ]...and now we have to do something as the world is watching, if we do nothing in this stupidly created situation, our enemies will take that as open season for three more years of an already acknowledged weak, feeble American presidency...and what message does that send to our allies? My god, where is there any coherence to this foreign policy?
And if this guy commits two acts of war on his own, Libya and then this one in Syria, and he stupidly escalated the "forgotten war" in Afghanistan [ to what good result??]... should he have to give back that peace prize? Just wondering how all that works....:lamo
Best suggestions? Better reading glasses or get someone to explain my real position.that sounds like the typical right wing position - "forget about how our actions are (or are not) in the nations best interest. Just use it to bash Obama"
Best suggestions? Better reading glasses or get someone to explain my real position.
Check back with me when you get a little closer to accurate. Ciao [ means good bye in this instance, so there is no confusion ].:mrgreen:
Really? You mean you've missed all of my posts in most "Syria Intervention" threads constantly arguing that we are NOT the "World's Policeman?"
Maybe I don't count because I am more a moderate than a conservative. You know: for gay rights and pro-choice, against gun control and government restriction on our individual liberties.
I was also FOR the first Gulf War because Saddam had invaded Kuwait, although pissed because we should have finished the job and kicked Saddam out back then. I was opposed to Bush Jr.'s second Iraq War because it was bogus.
Sounds a little contradictory, wanted Saddam out but were against GW, Congress' and our, the American People's Iraq War... it was a Just War under Just War theory, was a success and, if someone besides a left leaning yet war stumbling buffoon like zer-0 had been elected, would still be a success and a force for good in a now super messed up region...
Soooo many war threads started by right-wingers decrying left winger hypocrisy for those who back Obama's Syria moves (which I don't).
I want an honest show of conservatives that were opposed to Bush's foreign war policies as that march to stupidity was happening.
Just give me one.
The dumb donkey is underlying, its there no matter what the situation. Its just the truth.There is a ton of stuff I disagree with Sangha on but he's right on this one. This is a complex, constantly changing situation. There are solid arguments for intervention and for keeping the hell out of it. What it should not be is something that makes us giddy because Obama is drawing criticism and that, to me, looks like what you're doing with all the "dumb donkey" nonsense.
The dumb donkey is underlying, its there no matter what the situation. Its just the truth.There is a ton of stuff I disagree with Sangha on but he's right on this one. This is a complex, constantly changing situation. There are solid arguments for intervention and for keeping the hell out of it. What it should not be is something that makes us giddy because Obama is drawing criticism and that, to me, looks like what you're doing with all the "dumb donkey" nonsense.
Soooo many war threads started by right-wingers decrying left winger hypocrisy for those who back Obama's Syria moves (which I don't).
I want an honest show of conservatives that were opposed to Bush's foreign war policies as that march to stupidity was happening.
Just give me one.
Wouldn't it be something if the grand plan was just taking longer than expected.
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