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Yes lol. Jesus have you never ridden a bus before?Do you think that is all that is involved in supervising kids?
Yes lol. Jesus have you never ridden a bus before?Do you think that is all that is involved in supervising kids?
Of course, he does, which is why his posts show a complete lack of respect for the drivers and their responsibilities. I suspect he wouldn't last 10 minutes driving a bus filled with 50 kids.Do you think that is all that is involved in supervising kids?
Now you're just posting goofy stuff.I agree. Which is why I correctly pointed out what their job duties are. Sit in a seat, driving around making frequent stops.
You are ignoring the most difficult part of their job. Dishonestly.I agree. Which is why I correctly pointed out what their job duties are. Sit in a seat, driving around making frequent stops.
Apparently you havent.Yes lol. Jesus have you never ridden a bus before?
Going on strike is also perfectly legal.
I think it absolutely should be legal for government employees. It would be unAmerican to prevent it for them.and it shouldn't be for government employees.
If the workers at Widget Co. go on strike, it is the Widget Owners who feel the pinch, and respond - or don't - accordingly.
If government employees go on strike, it is the American people we are hurting.
and i am pointing out that the federal union limitations should serve as a template for non-federal governmental unions, rather than doing away with them altogetherIndeed! but this thread is about State and Local employees![]()
If we did that, it would remove most the major objections, save that 'government' shouldn't be an interest group with string ability to control/steer it's own policy. Government unions are also unhealthy to liberal governance. Perhaps applying those restrictions could serve as a compromise point.and i am pointing out that the federal union limitations should serve as a template for non-federal governmental unions, rather than doing away with them altogether
How? They were hired to work 8 hours a day. They are still required to work 8 hours a day.
There are no new conditions of employment.
... Because of the shortage, some of the drivers have gone from serving two schools a day to five or six -- with no extra pay for the extra routes. ...
and that is what your federal union should expect of youHey! I'm a government employee, and due to budget cuts my team is being slashed by 1/3rd, while our workload is staying the same or increasing.
Wanna know what I'm doing about it?
My job. I'm doing my job - the one I agreed to do, the one I applied to do, and the one I am paid to do.
I think it absolutely should be legal for government employees.
If the elected officials who run government cannot effectively manage labor we the people have a remedy, fire the elected officials, in this case the school board. Elect a new one, and the new one can do what it takes to ensure that the district has bus drivers.
in my era, it was primarily high school students who drove the busesthey don't give a damn...they figure that these bus drivers should just work for minimum wage....probably consider it a low skilled, entry level teenage job...ya know.
Unions are - thankfully - forbidden in my joband that is what your federal union should expect of you
unless the order is illegal, immoral, or would place you/others at risk of physical harm, do what you have been assigned to do
then grieve/arbitrate it
in my era, it was primarily high school students who drove the buses
lot of responsibility for $17000 per yearThey get $16 an hour and signing bonus to sit and drive around.
but the government will not address their problemsThese are govnt employees and the same market forces do not apply. Salaries are set by legislation and paid for with taxes. Taxes can’t and won’t be raised mid year to cover any potential increase in salary.
If you can double or triple the expected outcome of a bus driver, one must wonder what they were doing with the extra time before. Sitting and waiting for a dispatch? Cleaning the bus? Schools run on schedules and if it is possible to schedule the routes so that a driver can safely do extra runs, I see no reason not to use that driver for the time he is scheduled to work![]()
'Many' school buses not running in Wake County as bus drivers demand better compensation
A significant number of Wake County school bus drivers followed through on their plan to not work Friday and could do so again Monday.abc11.com
to double or treble the employees' expected activities during the same time frame; that's an obvious unilateral change in conditions of employement
part of what launched the move to unionize in the USA was similar action imposed on manufacturing workers by management/ownership as what had once been reasonable output expectations were replaced by unreasonable numbers
200 bus drivers stayed home friday; 1/3 of the number available, which numnber was already less than needed
you want to make this the bus drivers' problem to solve. it's not. bet you can guess whose responsibility it actually is to get students bused to public schools. and they failed to solve a problem of their own creation
True but not bad for a part time job. Where I am 6 hours a day is part time and doesn't have the same benefit as full time work.lot of responsibility for $17000 per year
You have to be much older than high school to get a CDL...and most insurance carriers won't let you hire anyone under 23.in my era, it was primarily high school students who drove the buses
except it was going outside their scheduled times...they were having to leave earlier and work later and were still only getting paid the same. They pay you for 3 hours in the morning 3 hours in the evening...but if it takes you 8 or 9 hours, you still only get paid for 6.If you can double or triple the expected outcome of a bus driver, one must wonder what they were doing with the extra time before. Sitting and waiting for a dispatch? Cleaning the bus? Schools run on schedules and if it is possible to schedule the routes so that a driver can safely do extra runs, I see no reason not to use that driver for the time he is scheduled to work
when you are hired, you are given the amount of routes that you will do....I know this very well, because I have a bus driver in my family and I actually went to the classes as well, but decided it wasn't for me...because it doesn't pay well.....that was before we opened our contracting business.Where is this agreement on routes?
and making sure your students don't kill each other, do other illegal things, that all children are staying in their seat, that there is no bullying going on, etc, etc.I agree. Which is why I correctly pointed out what their job duties are. Sit in a seat, driving around making frequent stops.
If what you say is true, the driver's have a big law suit. If they are working 8 or 9 hours they should certainly be paid for their time at their agreed to rate (unless over 40 hours and in some cases over 8 hour days which would be OT) My only reference is the article posted and I didn't see any where in it that they were being asked to work off the clock.except it was going outside their scheduled times...they were having to leave earlier and work later and were still only getting paid the same. They pay you for 3 hours in the morning 3 hours in the evening...but if it takes you 8 or 9 hours, you still only get paid for 6.
I was reading the link belowChange in working conditions requires renegotiation of the terms of employment.