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Wake County NC school bus drivers go on strike

Do you think that is all that is involved in supervising kids?
Of course, he does, which is why his posts show a complete lack of respect for the drivers and their responsibilities. I suspect he wouldn't last 10 minutes driving a bus filled with 50 kids.
 
I agree. Which is why I correctly pointed out what their job duties are. Sit in a seat, driving around making frequent stops.
Now you're just posting goofy stuff.
 
I agree. Which is why I correctly pointed out what their job duties are. Sit in a seat, driving around making frequent stops.
You are ignoring the most difficult part of their job. Dishonestly.
 
Going on strike is also perfectly legal.

:) and it shouldn't be for government employees.

If the workers at Widget Co. go on strike, it is the Widget Owners who feel the pinch, and respond - or don't - accordingly.

If government employees go on strike, it is the American people we are hurting.
 
:) and it shouldn't be for government employees.

If the workers at Widget Co. go on strike, it is the Widget Owners who feel the pinch, and respond - or don't - accordingly.

If government employees go on strike, it is the American people we are hurting.
I think it absolutely should be legal for government employees. It would be unAmerican to prevent it for them.

If the elected officials who run government cannot effectively manage labor we the people have a remedy, fire the elected officials, in this case the school board. Elect a new one, and the new one can do what it takes to ensure that the district has bus drivers.
 
Indeed! but this thread is about State and Local employees :)
and i am pointing out that the federal union limitations should serve as a template for non-federal governmental unions, rather than doing away with them altogether
 
and i am pointing out that the federal union limitations should serve as a template for non-federal governmental unions, rather than doing away with them altogether
If we did that, it would remove most the major objections, save that 'government' shouldn't be an interest group with string ability to control/steer it's own policy. Government unions are also unhealthy to liberal governance. Perhaps applying those restrictions could serve as a compromise point.
 
How? They were hired to work 8 hours a day. They are still required to work 8 hours a day.

There are no new conditions of employment.
... Because of the shortage, some of the drivers have gone from serving two schools a day to five or six -- with no extra pay for the extra routes. ...

to double or treble the employees' expected activities during the same time frame; that's an obvious unilateral change in conditions of employement

part of what launched the move to unionize in the USA was similar action imposed on manufacturing workers by management/ownership as what had once been reasonable output expectations were replaced by unreasonable numbers

200 bus drivers stayed home friday; 1/3 of the number available, which numnber was already less than needed

you want to make this the bus drivers' problem to solve. it's not. bet you can guess whose responsibility it actually is to get students bused to public schools. and they failed to solve a problem of their own creation
 
Hey! I'm a government employee, and due to budget cuts my team is being slashed by 1/3rd, while our workload is staying the same or increasing.

Wanna know what I'm doing about it?

My job ;). I'm doing my job - the one I agreed to do, the one I applied to do, and the one I am paid to do.
and that is what your federal union should expect of you
unless the order is illegal, immoral, or would place you/others at risk of physical harm, do what you have been assigned to do
then grieve/arbitrate it
 
I think it absolutely should be legal for government employees.

Goodness no. Government in this country is supposed to serve the people - not punish, harm, or threaten them.


If the elected officials who run government cannot effectively manage labor we the people have a remedy, fire the elected officials, in this case the school board. Elect a new one, and the new one can do what it takes to ensure that the district has bus drivers.

Hm. If I'm a federal worker (say) whose job it is to keep the power grid running, and me and my fellows walk off the job, people could quickly begin dying.

Elections take some time. What is the correct amount of dead Americans for us to accept before we decide, in this model of yours, before we need to amend the Constitution, so that we can have elections any time federal workers decide we want more money? A few hundred dead? A few hundred thousand? A few million?

I work in the part of the government that, among other things, is responsible for making sure terrorist attacks don't happen in the U.S. How many terrorist attacks per annum should we allow against Americans before our very reasonable request for a free Tesla, unlimited personal leave, a pension of 150% of our top 3 that vests after 3 years, and $1 million cash per individual are met? Is there a limit?
 
they don't give a damn...they figure that these bus drivers should just work for minimum wage....probably consider it a low skilled, entry level teenage job...ya know.
in my era, it was primarily high school students who drove the buses
 
and that is what your federal union should expect of you
unless the order is illegal, immoral, or would place you/others at risk of physical harm, do what you have been assigned to do
then grieve/arbitrate it
Unions are - thankfully - forbidden in my job :)
 
These are govnt employees and the same market forces do not apply. Salaries are set by legislation and paid for with taxes. Taxes can’t and won’t be raised mid year to cover any potential increase in salary.
but the government will not address their problems

and that government will not allow them to form a union to address those problems
 

to double or treble the employees' expected activities during the same time frame; that's an obvious unilateral change in conditions of employement

part of what launched the move to unionize in the USA was similar action imposed on manufacturing workers by management/ownership as what had once been reasonable output expectations were replaced by unreasonable numbers

200 bus drivers stayed home friday; 1/3 of the number available, which numnber was already less than needed

you want to make this the bus drivers' problem to solve. it's not. bet you can guess whose responsibility it actually is to get students bused to public schools. and they failed to solve a problem of their own creation
If you can double or triple the expected outcome of a bus driver, one must wonder what they were doing with the extra time before. Sitting and waiting for a dispatch? Cleaning the bus? Schools run on schedules and if it is possible to schedule the routes so that a driver can safely do extra runs, I see no reason not to use that driver for the time he is scheduled to work
 
lot of responsibility for $17000 per year
True but not bad for a part time job. Where I am 6 hours a day is part time and doesn't have the same benefit as full time work.
 
If you can double or triple the expected outcome of a bus driver, one must wonder what they were doing with the extra time before. Sitting and waiting for a dispatch? Cleaning the bus? Schools run on schedules and if it is possible to schedule the routes so that a driver can safely do extra runs, I see no reason not to use that driver for the time he is scheduled to work
except it was going outside their scheduled times...they were having to leave earlier and work later and were still only getting paid the same. They pay you for 3 hours in the morning 3 hours in the evening...but if it takes you 8 or 9 hours, you still only get paid for 6.
 
Where is this agreement on routes?
when you are hired, you are given the amount of routes that you will do....I know this very well, because I have a bus driver in my family and I actually went to the classes as well, but decided it wasn't for me...because it doesn't pay well.....that was before we opened our contracting business.
 
I agree. Which is why I correctly pointed out what their job duties are. Sit in a seat, driving around making frequent stops.
and making sure your students don't kill each other, do other illegal things, that all children are staying in their seat, that there is no bullying going on, etc, etc.
 
except it was going outside their scheduled times...they were having to leave earlier and work later and were still only getting paid the same. They pay you for 3 hours in the morning 3 hours in the evening...but if it takes you 8 or 9 hours, you still only get paid for 6.
If what you say is true, the driver's have a big law suit. If they are working 8 or 9 hours they should certainly be paid for their time at their agreed to rate (unless over 40 hours and in some cases over 8 hour days which would be OT) My only reference is the article posted and I didn't see any where in it that they were being asked to work off the clock.
 
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