Wake County NC school bus drivers go on strike

[roguenuke]

No - the local leadership is elected. They run on policies like "let's have a public school system that does things like bus children, but within this budget". The bus drivers decided to pre-empt that self government, because they wanted more money. This is not something that you get a right to do because you are a citizen. For example, I cannot declare that nobody gets police protection until we get rid of corporate taxes, or announce that the IRS will not be collecting government revenues until my minimum retirement date is moved to 45.

Since the school board leadership is empowered with a lot of different jobs, what they are elected on doesn't matter at all. They are elected, period, to do each and every job they have the power to do and that needs to be done, including handling situations that arise with personnel conflicts within the school system, issues that employees have with pay and/or benefits. This does not mean that they have to care what each and every voter may want them to do.

You personally were likely not elected into an office with that sort of power. If you were, you likely would not be there alone, which means that you could not make that decision on your own. However, if you had enough people to back you in that decision, you could in fact make that a law if you were an elected official with relevant powers to do either or both of those things.

For example, if Congress wanted to do so and had appropriate numbers (as well as support of enough states), they could change the Constitution in absolutely any way they wanted to regardless of how the people felt, legally. Now, most likely if this was a case where they were doing so that most people did not approve of, then they would likely face removal (probably violently) of them from office to be replaced by others who were more in line with the majority.

 

[rahl]

wow, where are all of those uber/lyft drivers in wake county now, when they are needed
if they had been available to transport the busless school children, this would not now be an issue

showing that you also have zero understanding of business management, nor start up companies.

so much for patting one's back about a self-perceived understanding of business economics

by pointing out your hilariously inept understanding of them? lol

 

[rahl]

that isn't true...some states require even limo drivers to have a CDL.

we aren't talking about "some states". We are talking about NC. As they would not be driving a bus, they would not need a CDL.

 

[roguenuke]

we aren't talking about "some states". We are talking about NC. As they would not be driving a bus, they would not need a CDL.

But they would need other qualifications, skills, verification that is not required for Uber/Lyft workers. People like myself are not going to allow you to put our kids in danger simply for basically revenge on those who are doing something you don't like, bus drivers.

Also, here is an informative link regarding transportation of children (other than your own, in some sort of commercial childcare capacity) that very likely would apply.

https://ncchildcare.ncdhhs.gov/portals/0/documents/pdf/c/center_chp10.pdf

http://reports.oah.state.nc.us/ncac/title%2010a%20-%20health%20and%20human%20services/chapter%2070%20-%20children%27s%20services/subchapter%20i/10a%20ncac%2070i%20.0918.pdf

Last I checked, Uber nor Lyft needs to know that you may need medical assistance of some type at all times when in the vehicle, or keep a copy of what sort of medical assistance may be needed for each of their passengers. You don't think that this would reduce how many people are able or willing to transport children to and from school?

The argument we are and have been making is that there are not currently enough drivers for buses in the school district, not for wont of money really, but rather for the situation that the country is in as a whole right now when it comes to workers vs jobs (there are a lot of jobs out there that pay fairly well, many better than they ever have before, that require little to no experience or education, skills). This means that everyone will be competing for those jobs. If the school districts are unable to pay quite enough to entice bus drivers to work for them, how would any private company be able to do so and remain viable as a company? Parents would be more likely to simply drive their kids to school themselves (possibly work out a carpool agreement with other parents) than pay that cost themselves, and there is no way economically that the school district would be able to afford such contracts at the prices that would be needed.

 

[rahl]

But they would need other qualifications, skills, verification that is not required for Uber/Lyft workers. People like myself are not going to allow you to put our kids in danger simply for basically revenge on those who are doing something you don't like, bus drivers.

You have no ability to allow or not lol.

Also, here is an informative link regarding transportation of children (other than your own, in some sort of commercial childcare capacity) that very likely would apply.

https://ncchildcare.ncdhhs.gov/portals/0/documents/pdf/c/center_chp10.pdf

http://reports.oah.state.nc.us/ncac/title%2010a%20-%20health%20and%20human%20services/chapter%2070%20-%20children%27s%20services/subchapter%20i/10a%20ncac%2070i%20.0918.pdf

There are already transportation services available. This would simply be expanding them.

Last I checked, Uber nor Lyft

Has nothing to do with what I’ve proposed.

 

[ClaraD]

we aren't talking about "some states". We are talking about NC. As they would not be driving a bus, they would not need a CDL.

I just quoted North Carolina law...if the van has more than 15 passengers, they are required to have a CDL.

 

[rahl]

I just quoted North Carolina law...if the van has more than 15 passengers, they are required to have a CDL.

So as I pointed out, and you confirmed, a CDL is not required.

 

[ClaraD]

showing that you also have zero understanding of business management, nor start up companies.

by pointing out your hilariously inept understanding of them? lol

Rahl, I hate to explain this again...Gig workers that work for Lyft and Uber cannot transport people under 18 years old without a parent or guardian. It violates their contractual requirements as well as their commercial insurance guidelines.

 

[ClaraD]

So as I pointed out, and you confirmed, a CDL is not required.

No, you claimed a CDL in any van is not required, and that is false.

 

[rahl]

Rahl, I hate to explain this again...Gig workers that work for Lyft and Uber cannot transport people under 18 years old without a parent or guardian. It violates their contractual requirements as well as their commercial insurance guidelines.

You keep attacking this strawman and I have no idea why

 

[rahl]

No, you claimed a CDL in any van is not required, and that is false.

No, I didn’t. I correctly pointed out a CDL would not be required, which your own citation showed as well.

 

[roguenuke]

You have no ability to allow or not lol.

There are already transportation services available. This would simply be expanding them.



Has nothing to do with what I’ve proposed.

First, we have the ability to complain and even sue the schools if they try to put our children in danger from something even close to your plan, simply because they fired bus drivers already working, who could handle the situation better and have necessary training.

It wouldn't expand anything as there simply aren't enough people available, particularly at the price.

 

[rahl]

First, we have the ability to complain and even sue the schools if they try to put our children in danger from something even close to your plan, simply because they fired bus drivers already working, who could handle the situation better and have necessary training.

Only if there was actual harm done. You can’t sue because something “might” happen lol.

It wouldn't expand anything as there simply aren't enough people available, particularly at the price.

You keep thinking that your ignorance of business management and economics will somehow prevent this business opportunity. I don’t know why you keep doing that.

 

[cpwill]

so you are saying the drivers could not conduct a sick out, and not perform the duties of school bus drivers as a result?

I think that, whatever you call it, to organize and engage in a strike as a public servant, to deny the public a service, is wrong.

 

[cpwill]

Nobody is tossing representative government aside. They have a right to strike . The voters have the ability to outlaw it but they didnt

Respectfully, they are, I don't think they do, and in some areas they have. It would be illegal for a member of the military, for example, to attempt to organize a union or strike.

 

[bomberfox]

Respectfully, they are, I don't think they do, and in some areas they have. It would be illegal for a member of the military, for example, to attempt to organize a union or strike.

I will have to look up the legal code for worker strikes in the area and full respect intended.

 

[bomberfox]

Respectfully, they are, I don't think they do, and in some areas they have. It would be illegal for a member of the military, for example, to attempt to organize a union or strike.

It appears you could be right in this case as wake county has a ban on striking as far as i know. Workers in wake county bargain through lobbying. This appears to settle much of the issue we probably have as far as the law is concerned.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.newsobserver.com/news/local/article229597039.html

 

[roguenuke]

Only if there was actual harm done. You can’t sue because something “might” happen lol.

You keep thinking that your ignorance of business management and economics will somehow prevent this business opportunity. I don’t know why you keep doing that.

No, not just if there is actual harm done. If they are not taking care of my sons, do not have people properly trained to do so while under their care, then they can face serious problems for simply not having the people trained properly for that, not just if something were to happen.

 

[rahl]

No, not just if there is actual harm done.

yes, only if there is actual harm done.

If they are not taking care of my sons, do not have people properly trained to do so while under their care, then they can face serious problems for simply not having the people trained properly for that, not just if something were to happen.

only if there is actual harm done. You have no standing to sue otherwise.

 

[roguenuke]

yes, only if there is actual harm done.

only if there is actual harm done. You have no standing to sue otherwise.

No. You are not correct. I gave you the info that requires certain training, information to provide transportation to children.

You have standing when it comes to a school if they are putting your children in danger.

 

[rahl]

No. You are not correct. I gave you the info that requires certain training, information to provide transportation to children.

and I corrected you by pointing out you can't sue unless there is actual harm. you have no standing otherwise.

You have standing when it comes to a school if they are putting your children in danger.

no you don't.