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So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...
I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.
If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
I would support their having the same minimum wage as everyone else. But, tell you right now, I would still tip 15-20% on my check.
Restaurant owners who think anyone can waitress are the ones that go out of business. Waiting tables takes training, talent and skill. That we've gotten into this situation where they make $3/hour or whatever and depend on tips just means that they haven't been valued, in my opinion.
Restaurant Owners take note: Your waitstaff is the face of your restaurant. It doesn't just take a warm body to successfully wait tables. It's hard work. It requires excellent time management skills. And it takes someone who has real motivation to put the customer first.
I would support their having the same minimum wage as everyone else. But, tell you right now, I would still tip 15-20% on my check.
Restaurant owners who think anyone can waitress are the ones that go out of business. Waiting tables takes training, talent and skill. That we've gotten into this situation where they make $3/hour or whatever and depend on tips just means that they haven't been valued, in my opinion.
Restaurant Owners take note: Your waitstaff is the face of your restaurant. It doesn't just take a warm body to successfully wait tables. It's hard work. It requires excellent time management skills. And it takes someone who has real motivation to put the customer first.
So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...
I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.
If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
If we changed it, we'd be more adopting the pay system in other countries where tips are basically non-existant (except from American tourists). A lot of countries are like that. They don't see a reason that waits should have to have a portion of their pay decided individually at the customer level. I don't know how it ends up working out. My guess would be that if we switched to this kind of a pay system, waits would get a huge boost for a short while, while everyone got used to the idea of not tipping, then they'd end up at somewhere around the same rate.
Just a guess, though.
And what is the motivation for waitstaff to hussle? To check on their food in the kitchen? To come back to see if they want coffee refills? Another drink? Fill their water glass? Why would they encourage people to have dessert? An after-dinner drink? Without tips? Say good-bye to good service.
I was at Calloway Gardens years ago -- at that time, they didn't encourage tipping. They put 15% on everyone's bill. The waitstaff didn't get it. But most diners didn't realize that. When I questioned management about the 15%, they said, in effect, "We use the 15% to help pay their benefits." Crappiest service I ever saw in my life.
So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...
I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.
If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand.BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
I would support their having the same minimum wage as everyone else. But, tell you right now, I would still tip 15-20% on my check.
Restaurant owners who think anyone can waitress are the ones that go out of business. Waiting tables takes training, talent and skill. That we've gotten into this situation where they make $3/hour or whatever and depend on tips just means that they haven't been valued, in my opinion.
Restaurant Owners take note: Your waitstaff is the face of your restaurant. It doesn't just take a warm body to successfully wait tables. It's hard work. It requires excellent time management skills. And it takes someone who has real motivation to put the customer first.
Let's be fair. Do you get tipped to do your job? If not, do you do a crap job of it because you're not getting tipped? If waits can't do a good job without the tip system, then why can anyone else?
That's just one isolated example. Considering that the management was directly stealing the employees tips, it's not a wonder that the employees did a poor job. If my boss were embezzling from my paycheck, I wouldn't feel particularly motivated, either. That's likely to be more about bad management than about tips.
When's the last time you saw a postal employee hustle when the line's long? The people behind the deli counter do the same? No, the TIPS system we have for waitstaff works. The good ones make pretty good money; the bad ones make such a poor living, they either get better? Or quit.
Why do car salesmen get paid on commission? Realtors? Door-to-door salespeople? Why do some factories pay bonuses on piecework? Carpet and furniture salespeople? Tech firms? Money motivates.
When's the last time you saw a postal employee hustle when the line's long? The people behind the deli counter do the same? No, the TIPS system we have for waitstaff works. The good ones make pretty good money; the bad ones make such a poor living, they either get better? Or quit.
Why do car salesmen get paid on commission? Realtors? Door-to-door salespeople? Why do some factories pay bonuses on piecework? Carpet and furniture salespeople? Tech firms? Money motivates.
Do we really believe no one does a good job without these tricks? So, a teacher, a police officer, a construction worker, a cook, and truck driver, none of them, should ever be able to do a good job as no one tips them?
Do we really believe no one does a good job without these tricks? So, a teacher, a police officer, a construction worker, a cook, and truck driver, none of them, should ever be able to do a good job as no one tips them?
That was not the assertion. The assertion was that financial rewards/penalties for superior/inferior customer service work. The better job that you do the more your pay is and the worse job that you do the less your pay is when commission or TIPS is part of your pay. Obviously, jobs not involving sales or customer service cannot use the commission/TIPS system. Performance reviews are often used in place of simple time of service to allocate pay raises/bonuses, but you probably knew that.
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