[W:816] A Lesson from Atlas Shrugged

[cabse5]

Rather, aren't you saying that personal selfishness shouldn't be allowed if you deem the national crisis dire enough?

BTW, aren't those decrying the national crisis doing so for selfish reasons?

 

[cabse5]

You have contradicted yourself. First you say that masks do not prevent the spread of the virus, then you say that they do keep sick people from spreading the disease.

Masks don't prevent the virus from entering the eyes. Masks don't prevent the virus from getting on the hands where it can be rubbed into the eyes, or hair, for examples. Masks don't guarantee social distancing. Masks don't wash the hands.
The only thing masks do is prevent the spread of the virus from the Covid-sick to the non-Covid sick.

Ain't it obvious that scientists think the main transmission of the Covid-sick to the non-Covid sick comes from the mouth and nose? It also seems obvious that getting Covid from other places than from the mouth and nose of the Covid-sick is quite possible.

 

[aociswundumho]

It is fundamentally extremely selfish and anti-society.

Explain how you, in your own life, avoid self-interest. What percentage of your income and wealth do you give away to strangers? What percentage of your time and labor do you devote to helping strangers?

 

[cabse5]

Explain how you, in your own life, avoid self-interest. What percentage of your income and wealth do you give away to strangers? What percentage of your time and labor do you devote to helping strangers?

I think if you're right or left, you expect to give support to the less fortunate. If you're right, you prefer capitalism provide the main impetus to give support to others and, if you're left, you prefer socialism provide the main impetus to give support to others.
That is, after all, the main differentiation between left and right in politics.

 

[haymarket]

Explain how you, in your own life, avoid self-interest. What percentage of your income and wealth do you give away to strangers? What percentage of your time and labor do you devote to helping strangers?

What does that have to do with libertarian selfishness taken to an extreme?

 

[haymarket]

Rather, aren't you saying that personal selfishness shouldn't be allowed if you deem the national crisis dire enough?

I would have to know the real world details to give you an answer.

But if you are referring to the covid crisis and mask wearing, the health of society is far more important than a persons loathing of wearing a mask.

 

[aociswundumho]

What does that have to do with libertarian selfishness taken to an extreme?

You claimed that pursuing your own self-interest is "fundamentally extremely selfish and anti-society", so I'm asking you how much of your own time and money you give away to strangers in order to avoid behaving that way.

 

[haymarket]

You claimed that pursuing your own self-interest is "fundamentally extremely selfish and anti-society", so I'm asking you how much of your own time and money you give away to strangers in order to avoid behaving that way.

The type of selfishness I am concerned with is the excessive type that you see with libertarians who seem to begrudged any societal duties or responsibilities.

Do NOT try to make this personal. This has nothing to do with my private life. It has everything to do with the bankrupt ersatz philosophy that libertarians cling too.

 

[aociswundumho]

The type of selfishness I am concerned with is the excessive type that you see with libertarians who seem to begrudged any societal duties or responsibilities.

That's an enormously different claim from what you said before. You went from

"pursuing your own self-interest is fundamentally extremely selfish and anti-society"

to

"begrudging your societal duties or responsibilities is concerning"

No doubt the reason for your back peddling is you realized how selfish you are in your own life and how little you actually do for strangers of your own volition.

 

[haymarket]

That's an enormously different claim from what you said before. You went from

"pursuing your own self-interest is fundamentally extremely selfish and anti-society"

to

"begrudging your societal duties or responsibilities is concerning"

No doubt the reason for your back peddling is you realized how selfish you are in your own life and how little you actually do for strangers of your own volition.

I see no significant real difference in the two statements.

 

[Fletch]

It is fundamentally extremely selfish and anti-society.

In what way? You just make these declaratory statements without any sort of support and expect them to carry the day. They dont. How is me declaring that my life and my happiness as the things I value most in any way immoral or anti-society?

 

[Fletch]

Man, you're triggered...lol...it's hilarious to come back into these old threads, long after I've stopped giving a shit about them, and finding folks still so hot and bothered. Have fun with all this, just make sure to mop up and turn off the lights when you're done... I've been over your adolescent obsession with being a miserable, selfish Randist for weeks now. Given your super edgy ideology choices, you should have no problem with the fact that I have zero shits to give about a single thing you have to say. It's kinda what you're asking for, so ... here ya go... lol

Triggered?? I think you have me confused with, well, you. Last I checked, I didnt solicit your participation here. You found your way here on your own. If are no longer interested in the topic, **** off.

 

[OlNate]

Triggered?? I think you have me confused with, well, you. Last I checked, I didnt solicit your participation here. You found your way here on your own. If are no longer interested in the topic, **** off.

 

[Fletch]

Projection. Whats happened here is that you found yourself in a thread where you can contribute nothing on an adult level so you resort to trolling. But thats the price of opening this site up to childish, left wing Canadians.

 

[haymarket]

In what way? You just make these declaratory statements without any sort of support and expect them to carry the day. They dont. How is me declaring that my life and my happiness as the things I value most in any way immoral or anti-society?

The wearing of masks is a perfect and very modern example.

 

[OlNate]

Projection. Whats happened here is that you found yourself in a thread where you can contribute nothing on an adult level so you resort to trolling. But thats the price of opening this site up to childish, left wing Canadians.

You are SOOO into me, aren't you, big fella... lmao I already told you I moved on. Is it that damaging to your fragile little ego that you have to stalk me now? My dude...no means no. I'm just not that into you. Your keyboard warrior schtick is adorbs, and all, but...nah.

Or keep telling me to **** off... you taking a little vacation might do you good. I know it would be nice for the rest of us.

 

[Fletch]

The wearing of masks is a perfect and very modern example.

I wear a mask, so try again.

 

[Fletch]

You are SOOO into me, aren't you, big fella... lmao I already told you I moved on. Is it that damaging to your fragile little ego that you have to stalk me now? My dude...no means no. I'm just not that into you. Your keyboard warrior schtick is adorbs, and all, but...nah.

Or keep telling me to **** off... you taking a little vacation might do you good. I know it would be nice for the rest of us.

Stalking you??? More projection and trolling. Youve gone off the deep end. Enjoy your swim.

 

[OlNate]

Stalking you??? More projection and trolling. Youve gone off the deep end. Enjoy your swim.

Got any other super intellectual, insightful stuff to share, Fletch?

 

[cabse5]

I would have to know the real world details to give you an answer.

But if you are referring to the covid crisis and mask wearing, the health of society is far more important than a persons loathing of wearing a mask.

The mask doesn't prevent the spread of the virus nor does the mask prevent death from the virus. I guess the reason why the CDC/WHO recommends the use of the mask is because the curve of Covid cases levels when the mask is worn. Levelling the curve of cases doesn't prevent spread nor death from Covid.

Sidenote: You know, the CDC/WHO has to address the 'bogeyman' they've created that hospital resources will expire from this pandemic. There is absolutely no indication nor data that hospital resources have ever been in danger from this pandemic. Heck, new hospital resources have been created by this administration and refused by the state of NY, for example. Those poor folks were sent back to their nursing homes instead of the hospital ships the gov't provided and many died in those nursing homes.

 

[haymarket]

The mask doesn't prevent the spread of the virus nor does the mask prevent death from the virus. I guess the reason why the CDC/WHO recommends the use of the mask is because the curve of Covid cases levels when the mask is worn. Levelling the curve of cases doesn't prevent spread nor death from Covid.

Sidenote: You know, the CDC/WHO has to address the 'bogeyman' they've created that hospital resources will expire from this pandemic. There is absolutely no indication nor data that hospital resources have ever been in danger from this pandemic. Heck, new hospital resources have been created by this administration and refused by the state of NY, for example. Those poor folks were sent back to their nursing homes instead of the hospital ships the gov't provided and many died in those nursing homes.

The perfect is not attainable in public health. Sometimes we have to accept the numbers that show we are better off with the masks than not having them.

 

[haymarket]

I wear a mask, so try again.

You do not speak for the millions of Trumpkins who do not wear masks in public claiming they violate their rights.

 

[Fletch]

You do not speak for the millions of Trumpkins who do not wear masks in public claiming they violate their rights.

We were speaking about Objectivism and Atlas Shrugged not Trump supporters. Try and focus.

 

[Mr Person]

This is part 1 but there are more parts to follow.

I have never caught hell from Republicans on the values found in Atlas Shrugged but from Democrats, I catch holy hell. They prove how they think by rejecting the lessons of Atlas Shrugged. This comes close to discussing Antitrust laws were Government decides for business what business may do.

Watch part 1.
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The only lesson I need from Ayn Rand is that she went on the dole at the end. That brand of libertarianism is bankrupt. It's all about having one's cake and eating it too: its proponents puff them up on how principled they are in declaring love for freedoms and responsibility, but they know that the moment they need to they can dip their hand in the public trough.

 

[bomberfox]

The problem with inner city schools is rarely with the physical plant of the schools: it is with the quality of the students themselves. A high percentage of the students in those schools cannot be educated, and violently interfere with the education of students who want to learn. The high fatherless rates is due to the fact that most men of the underclass would rather be "a sex machine with all the chicks" than a responsible husband and father, and because the welfare system enables underclass women to raise children without the assistance of a man. Education is mocked because many of these students lack the intelligence to learn, so they deride what they cannot acquire.

Myths and misinformation. Only folks that mock education are white reactionaries and staunch evangelicals, the Murray types who whine about ivory tower intellectuals when they cant pass their bullshit by.