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(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1


SkyFox76 said:
Stopped/slowed, same difference. It let Rosenbaum gain distance on him. 17 year old kid vs 36 year old pudgy guy.
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Your changing goalposts...stopped, slowed and stopped again...He slowed down to see where Rosenbaulm was in order to avoid him. He slowed while still moving away from the threat.
 
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SkyFox76 said:
It takes longer to press one button vs one button? And that's assuming he had Black on speed dial. He had time to call Black, so he had time to call 911.

But also, why wouldn't we think he was able to think clearly? Didn't the defense present Rittenhouse as a Jr LE/Fire cadet? Didn't Rittenhouse promote himself as an EMT? Is he the guy I'd want watching over kids in a pool and one smacks their head diving into the pool? Nope.
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When you call 911, you don't just dial the number and say "Hey 911, somebody got shot. Gotta go, bye!"
 
SkyFox76 said:
It takes longer to press one button vs one button? And that's assuming he had Black on speed dial. He had time to call Black, so he had time to call 911.

But also, why wouldn't we think he was able to think clearly? Didn't the defense present Rittenhouse as a Jr LE/Fire cadet? Didn't Rittenhouse promote himself as an EMT? Is he the guy I'd want watching over kids in a pool and one smacks their head diving into the pool? Nope.
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No one has a legal obligation to call 911 so what is the point of your line of questioning?
 
Tlrmln said:
When you call 911, you don't just dial the number and say "Hey 911, somebody got shot. Gotta go, bye!"
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The real question is if you dial 911 and nobody comes, which was the case many times during the riots when the police let shit burn and abdicated thier responsibility and authority.
 
Napoleon said:
No one has a legal obligation to call 911 so what is the point of your line of questioning?
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Obviously, since Rittenhouse didn't stop, call 911 and render aid to the person he just shot he's guilty of 1st degree murder. It's that simple. The law is COMPLETELY clear. Wisconsin Statute 99.304 2(g) clearly states "when an individual shoots someone, even as a lawful act of self defense, they are guilty of 1st Degree Murder is, subsequent to the defensive action, they fail to call 911, fail to render aid and, at some prior point in the evening, have lied or misled another individual about anything."
 
Napoleon said:
No one has a legal obligation to call 911 so what is the point of your line of questioning?
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Lol there is no line of questioning. The facts show this kid who was promoted by the defense as a jr cadet of both police and fire, ran off while calling his buddy. And you're reasoning is, well other people probably did, and anyways, that takes longer.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Lol there is no line of questioning. The facts show this kid who was promoted by the defense as a jr cadet of both police and fire, ran off while calling his buddy. And you're reasoning is, well other people probably did, and anyways, that takes longer.
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My reasoning is, so what? The law doesn’t obligate him to render aid or call 911.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Lol there is no line of questioning. The facts show this kid who was promoted by the defense as a jr cadet of both police and fire, ran off while calling his buddy. And you're reasoning is, well other people probably did, and anyways, that takes longer.
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Has it occurred to you that, having just been attacked and shot his attacker; having just heard a bunch of other gunshots in rather close proximity to him; Rittenhouse figured that hightailing it out of the area and turning himself in to the cops might be a better idea than sticking around and substantially increasing the possibility that he'd have to shoot someone else for similar reasons as he shot the first guy? Does that make any ****ing sense to you at all? Are you so completely invested in the "Rittenhouse is a cold blooded killer" narrative that you can't see anything but that?
 
Tlrmln said:
1. So leave his gun laying there where all the people who, moments before were smashing and burning cars, could get it.
2. So stand there and let the people who, moments before were screaming "get him" and firing shots, can continue to attack him.
3. You mean running toward the police, I think. The "demonstration" was taking place exactly where he was at the time the shooting happened.
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If the situation was that bad, yeah.... drop yer shit and git. Obviously it wasn't that bad, because he moved toward where the demonstrators were, not away.
 
Cordelier said:
If the situation was that bad, yeah.... drop yer shit and git. Obviously it wasn't that bad, because he moved toward where the demonstrators were, not away.
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There were demonstrators all around him. Any direction he moved would have been toward some of them. He moved away from the ones who were destroying cars moments before, and toward the police.
 
Cordelier said:
If the situation was that bad, yeah.... drop yer shit and git. Obviously it wasn't that bad, because he moved toward where the demonstrators were, not away.
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What are you talking about? The "demonstrators" were EVERYWHERE! There was no place to go where there weren't protesters! Rittenhouse took off and headed in the direction he knew was the fastest route to the police.
 
Cordelier said:
Nope. I've worked dispatch for emergency situations, though.
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Did you ever get a call from someone to report that he just shot someone, and who stayed on the line with you while he was getting beaten to death by rioters?
 
Tlrmln said:
There were demonstrators all around him. Any direction he moved would have been toward some of them. He moved away from the ones who were destroying cars moments before, and toward the police.
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His pattern of behavior after shooting Rosenbaum is consistent with his pattern before shooting him.

He armed up to go to another city in another state, obstensibly to protect property that was wasn't his. Like he said in the interview earlier in the day - he was looking to run toward trouble. Continuing to do after shooting Rosenbaum was just an extension of that pattern. He was looking for trouble.... and he found it.
 
Lutherf said:
What are you talking about? The "demonstrators" were EVERYWHERE! There was no place to go where there weren't protesters! Rittenhouse took off and headed in the direction he knew was the fastest route to the police.
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They were concentrated on Sheridan Road... exactly where Rittenhouse went. Doesn't exactly jibe with the "mob out for his head" characterization.
 
justabubba said:
That didn’t take long
Only recently you were taking bets that he would be convicted
Now you were taking bets that he will be re-arrested after he is found to be not guilty
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So.. I take it you and @ASHES , since she like your post both agree he will be at least arrested within the next 3 months. I'm glad you both agree.
 
justabubba said:
i find it strange that you do not find it significant that the juvenile holding the gun was FLEEING from the child molesting perv

but keep on ignoring the actions of the child molester pursuing a juvenile
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Wow, that's even stranger than my scenario. Was the guy screaming at rittenhouse, I'm a child molester and I'm coming for you? When did you find out about the child molesting?
 
Lutherf said:
Has it occurred to you that, having just been attacked and shot his attacker; having just heard a bunch of other gunshots in rather close proximity to him; Rittenhouse figured that hightailing it out of the area and turning himself in to the cops might be a better idea than sticking around and substantially increasing the possibility that he'd have to shoot someone else for similar reasons as he shot the first guy? Does that make any ****ing sense to you at all? Are you so completely invested in the "Rittenhouse is a cold blooded killer" narrative that you can't see anything but that?
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Maybe you should tone it down a notch unless you can provide proof I've said he's a cold blooded killer. What I have in fact said is that it's a shame he made such poor choices that night, which will affect him for the rest of his life. And as his attorney just stated today he's got ptsd. I doubt he'd have that had he not decided to arm himself and head into Kenosha that night. But the fact is, he did decide to head there that night. He then decided to ignore the warnings to not stray off alone because he would not be viewed in a positive light by the protestors and definitely not by the people rioting. He made stupid choices, followed by more stupid choices. and those choices are what got him into the situation he's now forced to live with. And whether the jury decides it's behind bars for life or not, is their call. I've already stated I don't think he'll get hit with the most serious, but they may decide to convict on the reckless endangerment.

And as I mentioned a few posts ago his own attorney (at the time) tried to sell to the public that their client did in fact call 911 as he ran from the scene. And that was a big selling point for people--HEY he shot the guy but he immediately called 911 to get the guy help!!! So brownie points for him. Except he didn't. That may matter to the jury.
 
Cordelier said:
His pattern of behavior after shooting Rosenbaum is consistent with his pattern before shooting him.

He armed up to go to another city in another state, obstensibly to protect property that was wasn't his. Like he said in the interview earlier in the day - he was looking to run toward trouble. Continuing to do after shooting Rosenbaum was just an extension of that pattern. He was looking for trouble.... and he found it.
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It's obvious you're just lying now.

After he shot Rosenbaum, he took the shortest path possible to turn himself into the police and avoid getting curb stomped by the crowd. He wasn't waving his gun around at anyone, or doing anything other than trying to cover those three blocks before the crowd "craniumed" him.

It's that simple, no matter how many fantasy tales you want to spin.
 
Tlrmln said:
It's obvious you're just lying now.

After he shot Rosenbaum, he took the shortest path possible to turn himself into the police and avoid getting curb stomped by the crowd. He wasn't waving his gun around at anyone, or doing anything other than trying to cover those three blocks before the crowd "craniumed" him.

It's that simple, no matter how many fantasy tales you want to spin.
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I didn't think there was anything in that post that wasn't established fact. But if you want to call it "lies" that's on you.
 
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