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(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1

I want to see it in motion at that zoom level. I'll fiddle with the drone video later.

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What is bothersome, at least to me, is the implicit assumption that this is "ah ha" evidence of recklessness (it can't be evidence against self defense because Ziminski (sp?) wasn't the ones who were shot.)

Honestly in an entire evening if, by chance, the rifle momentarily pointed "in the direction of another" is not a pattern of recklessness. It's a momentary and transient lapse in gun handling. No one should spend a day in jail because they accidently pointed a gun in a direction for a very brief moment. That, alas, is too common in sporting activities and, at worst, draws some chastising by another.

Of course, it's not even clear where the gun was pointed. This snap of the video is useless.
 
The other armed militia weren't attacked, so no need to shoot them in self defence
Thats some militia there... Hope our Army doesn't operate under that same brilliant ROE...

"Eh..it's jut Kyle being attacked....he's expendable." LOL. Truly hilarious.
 
not very safe to stick around when a mob is following shouting 'cranium him'

maybe he will not meet such resistance to rendering medical assistance after he completes his college training in nursing

He'll never work a day in his life again if he doesn't go to the slammer.
 
Are you suggesting that he did something special, that none of the other "rambo wannabes" did, which would explain why he was the only one who had to shoot someone? That is, other than being the unlucky one who was seen by Rosenbaum putting out a fire?

Something special? Yeah...he went there looking for a fight and to the shock of absolutely nobody...he found one! This was the same behavior (not actions) you saw at the Trump rallies, counter protesters in the Northwest, running Kamala's bus off the road in Texas; the beatings in Charlottesville... Many (if not most) of the trump supporters at these other events knew there was a line not to be crossed. Displayed some maturity. Kyle being a kid and illegally possessing an assault rifle...didn't know the limits.
 
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What is bothersome, at least to me, is the implicit assumption that this is "ah ha" evidence of recklessness (it can't be evidence against self defense because Ziminski (sp?) wasn't the ones who were shot.)

Honestly in an entire evening if, by chance, the rifle momentarily pointed "in the direction of another" is not a pattern of recklessness. It's a momentary and transient lapse in gun handling. No one should spend a day in jail because they accidently pointed a gun in a direction for a very brief moment. That, alas, is too common in sporting activities and, at worst, draws some chastising by another.

Of course, it's not even clear where the gun was pointed. This snap of the video is useless.
The prosecution thus far hasn't proven he pointed a gun at anyone that I can tell. But, if they wanted to prove he pointed his rifle at the Ziminksis there's a very obvious next step... put the Ziminksis on the stand under oath. They won't do that because they know doing so would hurt their case more than help it. In which case the accusation should be dismissed by the jury.
 
Kyle is alive and telling his tale. The only star crossed kids that night are presently and permanently, solitary confined inmates six foot deep Rosenbaum and skateboard Huber.

Yeah...

Everyone sitting on death row can say that as well.
 
Apparently not.

Was there a curfew?
Did Kyle violate it?

Simple questions...
There was allegedly a curfew in place. The prosecution failed to prove it, so the charge was dismissed by motion. If there was a valid curfew in effect, you think it would have been very easy for them to prove.
 
Something special? Yeah...he went there looking for a fight and to the shock of absolutely nobody...he found one! This was the same behavior (not actions) you saw at the Trump rallies, counter protesters in the Northwest, running Kamala's bus off the road in Texas; the beatings in Charlottesville... Many (if not most) of the trump supporters at these other events knew there was a line not to be crossed. Displayed some maturity. Kyle being a kid and illegally possessing an assault rifle...didn't know the limits.
Are you serious? The people who showed up to riot and attack police are the ones who showed up looking for a fight.
 
Are you serious? The people who showed up to riot and attack police are the ones who showed up looking for a fight.

Was Kyle the only person they attacked that evening by the mob? Or was he the only one who shot someone?
 
Something special? Yeah...he went there looking for a fight and to the shock of absolutely nobody...he found one! This was the same behavior (not actions) you saw at the Trump rallies, counter protesters in the Northwest, running Kamala's bus off the road in Texas; the beatings in Charlottesville... Many (if not most) of the trump supporters at these other events knew there was a line not to be crossed. Displayed some maturity. Kyle being a kid and illegally possessing an assault rifle...didn't know the limits.
Please post a video of Rittenhouse looking for a fight. The prosecution would love to see it.
 
Hearing about lesser charges today made my day ..I want this punk in jail. Judge will announce Monday before closing arguments I assume.
 
Thanks for the response.
It is clear that partisanship, or to be more exact, bigotry against those who bear arms as civilians, is a part of this trial. It is also clear that there is a segment of the population that can't stand open carry, and that views protection of private and public property by citizenry to be highly outrageous, and a threat to society and the public order. Partisanship, on behalf of "protestors" and those more violent and destructive, is an added layer to the bigotry.
No, it's not bigotry towards those who bear arms as civilians. What people find outrageous, if you read my post, is a group of vigilantes grouping together and intimidating others in an extremely, chaotic and contentious situation (just like a gang), when the real law enforcement clearly ordered them to disburse. Could you accept, that perhaps they asked them to disburse so that amateurs would not add more violence to the already chaotic mix? I notice defenders like yourself, love to call them 'militia,' rather than the more obvious term, vigilantes. See what separates the two to me, is that militia assist military and recognized professional in times of need, not obstruct them and disobey their lawful orders. In fact, those terms so proudly labeled, really a harken back to the civil war (before organized militia formally became National Guards), and I think most of the civilized world are quite beyond that.
Consider the prejudicial words you use "vigilantes", "gang mentality", "outside the law"... this animus is baked into your assumptions.
There's no assumptions there. I describe them exactly as they are. You, however, in your personal belief, ignore those facts, because you subjectively (against all common civilized people) believe they are a noble organized entity that bands together only to help others, when they were never asked to by an reasonable lawful authority (ok. Trump condones them and encourages them, but that's yet another very wrongful incentive to embolden them).
A thought experiment, let us suppose they were just people who wanted to act in the same capacity as civilian security guards, except doing it gratis without pay? Suppose one of them, also wanted to help people injured, and help fight property fires? In a non political context, this wouldn't be an issue, would it? In fact, it would be good Sarmatianism.
Except they are not. Beyond the fact that they are not assisting in any condoned manner, but doing it against the wishes of legal authorities. That's why we have organized law and order.
Deep down I think severe critics of Rittenhouse know that, so they feel compelled to color the narrative... a small group of people want to help a property owner, and so they become "vigilantes". If they do so in concert, they have a "gang mentality". If they verbally reply in like tone and content to those yelling for them to leave or else, they are "provacators". And if by their very presence with a firearm, just like many in the mob, are attacked by the mob...its their fault.
Yes, because that is exactly what is happening.
As I posted earlier, this is typical judge mentalism directed at the victim of a hostile mob, the belief that somehow the mob are innocent because they just had to do it, is blaming the victim for what is, in the end, the fault of those who attacked him.
And yet he was not really the 'victim,' of a hostile mob was he? He went there with zero authority and the knowledge that he was antagonizing an already volatile situation. And I notice you never addressed the real lawful victim who truly was the victim of a brutally hostile mob, while serving his professional duty as protecting our elected representatives in a sacred building on an extremely significant day. But they were somehow innocent, because, what? Trump and his acolytes were subtlety encouraging them, but taking no responsibility afterwards? It's an open question, why the difference of viewpoints in the two situations, one very legitimately in peril for his life (not to mention our very leadership and democracy at stake).
 
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Those killed or wounded had plenty of time to run away, not engage, or call 911. They had plenty of time to think about not charging an armed man from behind, and not bringing and brandishing there own firearm (as one did). Had they survived, and Rittenhouse had not, some couldn't have even come close to having a self defense claim.
Look, they could just as easily argue. Hey, some active shooter was shooting innocent people, and we felt the need to step in and save as many others as we could, so we tried to rush him. Wow, they selflessly wanted to save other innocents without even brandishing weapons -- that' some heroism right there, right? Same argument, right? And don't tell me they knew all the details. They saw a bunch of instigators carrying heavy firearms and provoking others throughout the evening and heard some shots fired and saw a man on the ground. That's using your own logic. And it's always, those mobsters, he was the good guy, etc.. Reality is they were all in the wrong by staying there after the authorities told them numerous times to disburse. No excuse for any of them.
You need to reflect on this.
Oh I did. Will you?
 
Look, they could just as easily argue. Hey, some active shooter was shooting innocent people, and we felt the need to step in and save as many others as we could, so we tried to rush him. Wow, they selflessly wanted to save other innocents without even brandishing weapons -- that' some heroism right there, right? Same argument, right? And don't tell me they knew all the details. They saw a bunch of instigators carrying heavy firearms and provoking others throughout the evening and heard some shots fired and saw a man on the ground. That's using your own logic. And it's always, those mobsters, he was the good guy, etc.. Reality is they were all in the wrong by staying there after the authorities told them numerous times to disburse. No excuse for any of them.

Oh I did. Will you?
You're ignoring the fact that rioters were not only armed, they were trespassing and running around destroying things. They were also the ones who were being violent with police. One side showed up to destroy and the other side showed up to protect. And, you're arguing that the felons who showed up to riot are the heroes? The people Rittenhouse killed were not heroes. Anyone trying to paint them as such is completely tone deaf as to what happened that night. The first shot fired in the Rittenhouse attacks was by Rosenbaum's friend who saw him chasing an armed kid he had previously threatened to kill and decided to escalate the situation. Previously in the night when people were throwing rocks and being aggressive towards Rittenhouse he yelled "friendly" and then offered them medical assistance. There were two different types of people there that night and you're confusing them.
 
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Hearing about lesser charges today made my day ..I want this punk in jail. Judge will announce Monday before closing arguments I assume.

What lesser charge do they plan to introduce that wouldn't also be negated by the same self-defense argument that would negate the murder charge?
 
Nobody took his gun.... The "EMT" didn't stop and render aid to the guy he shot either....for some reason.
Not was he required by law to administer first aid to that individual. He isn't obligated to try to save the life of his assailant.
 
That should have been the state’s for before during and after the Rittenhouse shootings.
I'm not sure what you mean?

The governor underestimated the severity of the threat and as a result our civil defenses were overwhelmed. If the gov had an adequate police presence the outcome would of been better for everyone overall.

Do you share my opinion or is yours different?
 
You're ignoring the fact that rioters were not only armed, they were trespassing and running around destroying things. They were also the ones who were being violent with police. One side showed up to destroy and the other side showed up to protect.
And yet, neither side was invited by legal authority to do so. Instead, the so called 'militia' decided to wrongly intervene and handle matters in their own unprofessional manner. Only trying to provoke others to do what they believe is right (not real trained authorities making the decision) exasperating the situation. Look, you don't see me defending the other side that was acting belligerently and destroying things either. I'm on the side of law and order. I've made it clear that those small minority of people that insisted on staying after riot squads told them numerous times to leave, were acting unlawfully. By injecting another gang/mob element into the mix, they were only making things harder for the real authorities to deal with.

And, you're arguing that the felons who showed up to riot are the heroes? The people Rittenhouse killed were not heroes. Anyone trying to paint them as such is completely tone deaf as to what happened that night.
You have evidence that every non militia individual was a felon? Or you made that assumption. There were no heroes there, other than those who were authorized to lawfully intervene.

The first shot fired in the Rittenhouse attacks was by Rosenbaum's friend who saw him chasing an armed kid he had previously threatened to kill and decided to escalate the situation. Previously in the night when people were throwing rocks and being aggressive towards Rittenhouse he yelled "friendly" and then offered them medical assistance. There were two different types of people there that night and you're confusing them.

No, they were both being agitators, that's what you are confusing. It wasn't this good side vs bad side. It was those who wished to disobey the legal authorities and those whom didn't.
 
And yet, neither side was invited by legal authority to do so.
Gonna stop you right here. One side was engaging in constitutionally protected behavior. The other side were engaging in criminal activity. You don't need "authority" to stand around not rioting or putting fires out :rolleyes:.
 
Gonna stop you right here. One side was engaging in constitutionally protected behavior. The other side were engaging in criminal activity. You don't need "authority" to stand around not rioting or putting fires out :rolleyes:.
Yes, you do. When the authorities come in riot gear and order you to get out of the area right away, you don't take it upon yourself to override those orders. Obviously, not everyone agrees on what is help or not in these situations, that's why they left professionals make those decisions.
 
You're ignoring the fact that rioters were not only armed, they were trespassing and running around destroying things. They were also the ones who were being violent with police. One side showed up to destroy and the other side showed up to protect. And, you're arguing that the felons who showed up to riot are the heroes? The people Rittenhouse killed were not heroes. Anyone trying to paint them as such is completely tone deaf as to what happened that night. The first shot fired in the Rittenhouse attacks was by Rosenbaum's friend who saw him chasing an armed kid he had previously threatened to kill and decided to escalate the situation. Previously in the night when people were throwing rocks and being aggressive towards Rittenhouse he yelled "friendly" and then offered them medical assistance. There were two different types of people there that night and you're confusing them.
Armed? of the three people he shot and the one he shot at twice, but missed, only one was armed and he was a legit EMT
 
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