[W:371]Twenty Generals Call for Coup Against Macron Warning of ‘Civil War’ and ‘Disintegration of France at Hands of Islamists’

[stevecanuck]

Squeal? I don't think so.

Squeal is what people who disagree with him do. They will occasionally squirm as well. I, myself, have at times "squealed".

 

[stevecanuck]

Religion is not always enforced by law, and it’s never enforced by law in democracy. It’s like you make up your own facts on the spot.

Tell that to Asia Bibi. She is the Pakistani Christian woman who spent nearly 10 years on death row for "insulting Islam". And guess what - Pakistan is a democracy. Perhaps you shouldn't "make up your own facts on the spot".

 

[uptower]

religion is always enforced by law. Like diversity and gender theory are religious ideas and enforced by law.
retroactively changing nationality law can be done. The Dominican Republic has done it for example.

The colonization argument is irrelevant. Your region being colonized is not a valid reason for you to be allowed to live in the Colonial power, in fact it’s a reason not to because it’s obvious by the number of youths who went to join ISIS that these people are not grateful and often disillusioned when allowed to live there.

The French colonization was necessary to stop Muslim piracy in the Mediterranean, to end the North African slave trade, and to bring modern rule. The Muslim nations colonized by France have only their selves to blame for it.

Colonization has never been 'necessary' for those on the receiving end. Insulting transgender people isn't 'blasphemy,' it's just being an ***hole. And there won't be a 'coup' in France by a bunch of pensioners.

 

[stevecanuck]

You didn't mention that Mayor of Paris agrees with them also. Of course not all Muslims are terrorists but some certainly are. The trick is to tell which is which, an almost impossible task.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50053555

That's the tricky bit. Islam turned into a warrior religion in it's last 10 years of evolution to the extent that surah 9 is a 129-verse call to arms. We have no way of knowing how many Muslims are familiar enough with their own religion to even know that, let alone have the desire to obey the Qur'an's commands to "fight in the cause of God". Verse 9:111 (one of the last revealed) says, "Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed".

 

[SheWolf]

Tell that to Asia Bibi. She is the Pakistani Christian woman who spent nearly 10 years on death row for "insulting Islam". And guess what - Pakistan is a democracy. Perhaps you shouldn't "make up your own facts on the spot".

Pakistan calls itself a democracy just like Russia does. Real democracies don’t enforce religion on the population.

 

[Tigerace117]

Whe

You: Christianity is the cause of slavery.
Me: Christians were at the forefront of ending slavery.
You: Confederacy fought for slavery! I win!


I think you should just stick to the topic of the thread, instead of trying to derail it

Where, exactly, did I say “Christianity was the cause of slavery”? I pointed out that Christian teachings were used as a justification for slavery...and they were.

I think you should learn some basic reading comprehension

 

[sanman]

Whe


Where, exactly, did I say “Christianity was the cause of slavery”? I pointed out that Christian teachings were used as a justification for slavery...and they were.

I think you should learn some basic reading comprehension

You're the one who suddenly went out of your way to mention Christianity in connection with slavery. Now you're denying it, pretending you were just making a random observation.

The reality is that Christianity and Islam have very different histories. And actually, it was the Arab world who were the foremost in running the slave trade out of Africa.

 

[Tigerace117]

You're the one who suddenly went out of your way to mention Christianity in connection with slavery. Now you're denying it, pretending you were just making a random observation.

The reality is that Christianity and Islam have very different histories. And actually, it was the Arab world who were the foremost in running the slave trade out of Africa.

So in other words I did not, in fact, make the claim you said I made, and now you are desperately flailing because you were called out on your deceit. Noted.

The reality is that Christianity’s list of atrocities is every bit as long—longer, in some cases—than that of Islam.

I’m sure the tens of millions butchered in the Congo during Leopold II’s “free state” would be oh so reassured to hear that

 

[stevecanuck]

Pakistan calls itself a democracy just like Russia does. Real democracies don’t enforce religion on the population.

How is Pakistan not a democracy? The president ran on maintaining Pakistan's 6th century blasphemy laws, and the people voted for him. What am I missing?

 

[stevecanuck]

You're the one who suddenly went out of your way to mention Christianity in connection with slavery. Now you're denying it, pretending you were just making a random observation.

The reality is that Christianity and Islam have very different histories. And actually, it was the Arab world who were the foremost in running the slave trade out of Africa.

Mohamed kept slaves. Many were sex slaves.

 

[stevecanuck]

So in other words I did not, in fact, make the claim you said I made, and now you are desperately flailing because you were called out on your deceit. Noted.

The reality is that Christianity’s list of atrocities is every bit as long—longer, in some cases—than that of Islam.

I’m sure the tens of millions butchered in the Congo during Leopold II’s “free state” would be oh so reassured to hear that

Nobody on this forum has ever denied that Christians committed atrocities in the name of their religion. What they have denied is that the words and example of Jesus inspired them to do so. The opposite is true of Islam.

 

[Tigerace117]

Nobody on this forum has ever denied that Christians committed atrocities in the name of their religion. What they have denied is that the words and example of Jesus inspired them to do so. The opposite is true of Islam.

The highest levels of the Christian Church endorsed said atrocities. The Catholics went so far as to try to make an Ustase collaborator a saint. Your excuses are weak...as usual.

 

[Jredbaron96]

How is Pakistan not a democracy?

Probably because it's a country where most political power isn't held by the central government, it's held by the military, the ISI, and tribal leaders.

Pakistan is basically everything Iran is supposed to be; aggressive, dangerous, radical Islamist country, but even more incompetently run and violent.

 

[stevecanuck]

The highest levels of the Christian Church endorsed said atrocities.

Correct. Not Jesus. As I said. Glad we agree.

The Catholics went so far as to try to make an Ustase collaborator a saint. Your excuses are weak...as usual.

Again, not Jesus. Muslims have Mohamed as their example, and he had at least 600 Jews beheaded. I don't think you've ever acknowledged that.

 

[Variant]

Pakistan calls itself a democracy just like Russia does. Real democracies don’t enforce religion on the population.

There's nothing about democracy that requires it be secular. You're just used to the values of western liberal democracy.

While you and I might share those values, they are by no means universal.

 

[Tigerace117]

Correct. Not Jesus. As I said. Glad we agree.



Again, not Jesus. Muslims have Mohamed as their example, and he had at least 600 Jews beheaded. I don't think you've ever acknowledged that.

“Only” generations upon generation of religious leaders across Europe and the Americas. “But....but.... but... not Jesus!” doesn’t change the fact that just about all of Christianity as a whole heartedly embraced the atrocities being committed.

Again, the highest religious authorities in one of the largest branches of Christianity tried to make a collaborator with genocidal looks who sickened even the SS a saint.

600? Cool story bud. The Ustase alone killed about one hundred thousand.

So, yet again, your excuses are weak.

 

[Fishking]

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Posts like your are literally worse than bat boy stories in tabloids. No one of a serious mind cares. The only thing that matters is if the letter was written or not, and if it was, what do people think about it. Your post answered none of that.

 

[Jezcoe]

Of course. The Democrats. Are you that unaware of American history?

There was a Civil War fought on the issue of slavery where almost 1 million people were dead or seriously wounded. If you don't believe you can look it up. Have you heard of Jim Crow laws? They were also enacted by Democrats.

I generally don’t vote for Democrats from the 1800’s.

 

[NewfieMom]

It's just the usual right wing nuts in France, the kind who follow Marine Le Pen. Nothing new. Nothing big. Nothing serious.


"Eighteen serving officers who signed an open letter warning about the risk of "civil war" in France will face sanctions before a military council, the chief of staff of the armed forces said Wednesday. 'Each one (will go) before a senior military council,' General Francois Lecointre told Le Parisian newspaper, and could be 'delisted' or 'put into immediate retirement'.
The open letter, published by right-wing magazine Valeurs Actuelles last week, predicted that failure to act against 'suburban hordes' -- or residents of mainly immigrant suburban areas -- and other groups who 'scorn our country' will lead to 'civil war' and deaths 'in the thousands'. Prime Minister Jean Castex labelled the rare intervention in politics by military figures 'an initiative against all of our republican principles, of honour and the duty of the army'. The main instigators of the letter are alleged to have ties to far-right, anti-immigration movements in France."

Ex-generals face sanctions after they warn of 'civil war' in France

Eighteen serving officers who signed an open letter warning about the risk of "civil war" in France will face sanctions before a military council, the chief of staff of the armed forces said Wednesda…

www.france24.com

 

[stevecanuck]

“Only” generations upon generation of religious leaders across Europe and the Americas. “But....but.... but... not Jesus!” doesn’t change the fact that just about all of Christianity as a whole heartedly embraced the atrocities being committed.

But....but.....but.....RELIGIOUS LEADERS. And yes, absolutely NOT the person after whom the religion was named.

Again, the highest religious authorities in one of the largest branches of Christianity tried to make a collaborator with genocidal looks who sickened even the SS a saint.

600? Cool story bud. The Ustase alone killed about one hundred thousand.

So, yet again, your excuses are weak.

And after he slaughtered all the men and boys of the Banu Quraiza he enslaved the women and children. Then he conquered the rest of the peninsula. Then he attacked the Byzantines. And the best you can do is trivialize the slaughter. That's the guy Muslims are told to emulate. Give your head a shake.

If you want to tell me what I'm getting wrong about Islam, I'll respond. Otherwise, enjoy the last word (and don't forget to through in an "I accept your surrender").

 

[stevecanuck]

There's nothing about democracy that requires it be secular. You're just used to the values of western liberal democracy.

While you and I might share those values, they are by no means universal.

Correct. It's very possible to have a tyranny of the majority. Again - Pakistan.

 

[sanman]

How is Pakistan not a democracy? The president ran on maintaining Pakistan's 6th century blasphemy laws, and the people voted for him. What am I missing?

Pakistan is a military-run dictatorship with a civilian figurehead nominally at the top just for show.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Posts like your are literally worse than bat boy stories in tabloids. No one of a serious mind cares. The only thing that matters is if the letter was written or not, and if it was, what do people think about it. Your post answered none of that.

How about we just ignore each other from now on, you have made it very clear what you think of me, and I can't post what I think of you, but I am sure you can guess.
If you need to get one more dig in or impress me with your vocabulary, go for it, I won't be responding.

 

[Fishking]

How about we just ignore each other from now on, you have made it very clear what you think of me, and I can't post what I think of you, but I am sure you can guess.
If you need to get one more dig in or impress me with your vocabulary, go for it, I won't be responding.

I don't ignore anyone. If I read people making dumb posts I point it out. Elevate your posts and it's not problem. You not responding to me won't change what I do.

 

[Fishking]

They’re basically saying “If you treat Muslims like human beings, then France will fall apart!”

It’s Islamophobia and xenophobia of the highest degree.

It's not a matter of treating Muslims like human beings, it's more of a matter of Muslims treating non-Muslims (probably moderate Muslims) in western societies terrible. Women constantly getting harassed in the streets and such. The police need to start working more, and have education campaigns, to stop this from happening and better integrating people into the culture. Not doing so is contributing to the resentment and causing moderate Muslims to be lumped in with the ones causing the problems.

Mush of this is due to too much immigration and not controlling the flow well enough to properly integrate those coming into the country.