[W:2475] Ariz. State Senate Hears Preliminary Audit Report

[goldkam]

He doesn’t think a person returning to work matters, for reasons I can’t figure out

He doesn’t understand that this means only population growth matters for workforce participation statistics. The only people who have never worked a job are... children.

I am perplexed. Any sort of increase in the employment of a population is something that should be welcomed, particularly after a pandemic which wrecked havoc on the economy and individuals.

 

[Paradoxical]

This right here is enough to show how sloppy and reckless your thinking is. Here are the claims you make:

1. Free health care (presumably you mean single payer) is a "loser."
2. People have county medical (not sure what that is).
3. Illegal aliens get better treatment than you and your wife for free (presumably, again, you mean through some kind of tax-funded health care)
4. You and your wife have to pay copays and deductibles.

Notice any obvious problems with making all those claims? No, probably not, so I'll explain: Single payer, you say, is a "loser." But from 3 we can infer that medical care paid by insurance is worse than single payer. We know that single payer is less expensive than private payers, in every case where it's been implemented. So single payer is less expensive, and (according to you) provides better medical care than you get now through insurance.

Hard to see what's a loser about that. Kinda paradoxical. Get it? Paradoxical?!!

Right now, an illegal can get free health care as well as any uninsured person for medical emergencies. They pay nothing, zero, zip, nada through their County or state-run program.

 

[MTAtech]

Right now, an illegal can get free health care as well as any uninsured person for medical emergencies. They pay nothing, zero, zip, nada through their County or state-run program.

People aren't illegal. If you don't like the fact that anyone can go to an ER and get medical attention, thank Ronald Reagan.

In 1986, Congress passed the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which contained the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. The law requires hospitals to treat patients in need of emergency care regardless of their ability to pay, citizenship or even legal status. It applies to any hospital that takes Medicare funds, which is virtually every hospital in the country.

Moreover, while the hospital won't charge immediately you will get a bill and they will send for collection.

 

[Conservative]

I am perplexed. Any sort of increase in the employment of a population is something that should be welcomed, particularly after a pandemic which wrecked havoc on the economy and individuals.

Do you know what a part time job for economic reasons is? Check out those for both Obama and Trump at bls.gov. What you are showing is typical liberal compassion where people holding part time jobs when they deserve full time jobs should be thankful.

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

data.bls.gov

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value
Series Id:	LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title:	(Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status:	Employed
Type of data:	Number in thousands
Age:	16 years and over
Hours at work:	1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled:	Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules:	At work part time
Years:	2008 to 2020

 

[Paradoxical]

People aren't illegal. If you don't like the fact that anyone can go to an ER and get medical attention, thank Ronald Reagan.

In 1986, Congress passed the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which contained the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. The law requires hospitals to treat patients in need of emergency care regardless of their ability to pay, citizenship or even legal status. It applies to any hospital that takes Medicare funds, which is virtually every hospital in the country.

Moreover, while the hospital won't charge immediately you will get a bill and they will send for collection.

Ever try to collect from an illegal or deadbeat?

Thanks for confirming they do get free health care. I knew this, anyway.

 

[MTAtech]

Ever try to collect from an illegal or deadbeat?

Thanks for confirming they do get free health care. I knew this, anyway.

That’s not the point.
The point is that what you are complaining about has been law since 1986, was put in place by a conservative Republican and solved a problem.

Your argument sounds like the drunk at the end of the bar whining that these damn illegals get free healthcare, without recognizing the ramifications of ending such a policy. Besides, Democrats would like everyone to get government provided health insurance, like the rest of the western world.

 

[Deuce]

Right now, an illegal can get free health care as well as any uninsured person for medical emergencies. They pay nothing, zero, zip, nada through their County or state-run program.

The shit you people have been convinced of...

 

[ashurbanipal]

Right now, an illegal can get free health care as well as any uninsured person for medical emergencies. They pay nothing, zero, zip, nada through their County or state-run program.

That's not even a response to what I wrote. Not sure why you bothered posting it.

 

[Deuce]

Do you know what a part time job for economic reasons is? Check out those for both Obama and Trump at bls.gov. What you are showing is typical liberal compassion where people holding part time jobs when they deserve full time jobs should be thankful.

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

data.bls.gov

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value
Series Id:	LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title:	(Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status:	Employed
Type of data:	Number in thousands
Age:	16 years and over
Hours at work:	1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled:	Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules:	At work part time
Years:	2008 to 2020

Do you know what a form B-762 is?

Do you even know what the IRS is for?

Do you even understand why the FAA regulates fuel reserves?

 

[ashurbanipal]

Do you know what a part time job for economic reasons is? Check out those for both Obama and Trump at bls.gov. What you are showing is typical liberal compassion where people holding part time jobs when they deserve full time jobs should be thankful.

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

data.bls.gov

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value
Series Id:	LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title:	(Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status:	Employed
Type of data:	Number in thousands
Age:	16 years and over
Hours at work:	1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled:	Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules:	At work part time
Years:	2008 to 2020

Here we go yet again. Trump's worst is far worse than Obama's worst. Those are Trump's results. Unless you're going to give us some sort of rhetoric that 10.9 million is less than 9.2 million...not that such would be surprising, coming from you.

 

[Atomic Kid]

The economic shutdown was bipartisan, do you know what that means?? Seriously downplay?? You keep ignoring that he declared the pandemic in March but keep focusing on the past so you don't have to address the failures of the Biden and incompetent Harris. It is stunning how poorly educated liberals are on basic civics including the 10th Amendment and even management 101 where you cannot have responsibility when you don't have the authority.

Do you think everyone else here but you is stupid or something? In March Trump still downplaying the virus. Saying that it would magically go away, that warmer weather and sunshine will kill it, that the country could be reopening by Easter. You don't remember any of that shit? We do! And while were at it here at it what do you say that you go ahead and sum up for us what the hell the 10th Amendment has do with this, Mr Civics?

 

[Atomic Kid]

Right now, an illegal can get free health care as well as any uninsured person for medical emergencies. They pay nothing, zero, zip, nada through their County or state-run program.

Not true. It depends on what their income is.

 

[Paradoxical]

Not true. It depends on what their income is.

Illegal,,,,..income? LOL

 

[code1211]

Comparing what he said to the truth is the determinant of whether someone is lying.
Is the check in the mail from Mexico for the wall? Are we trying to cure the ravages from windmill cancer? What about the fighter jet that he said the enemy can't see because it's invisible? He said that he didn't know anything about the illegal payment to Stormy Daniels. Then the signed check with his signature shows up.

You are proving that you belong to the Trump cult. A clear sign is always backing the cult-master, even when the cult-master is completely wrong. Claiming Trump isn't an Olympic grade liar is absurd.

Why was the payment to Stormy Daniels illegal and do you have a link to the image of the check to Daniels with Trump's signature on it?

Are stealth jets targetable? If you can't "see" them using radar, by the time you CAN see them visually, it's too late. They are already past you. Stealth Jets are invisible to enemies. That's why they are Stealth Jets.

What was the exact statement that Trump made regarding cancer and windmills?

Did he say that "Mexico" was going to write a check for the wall?

You are proving that you are in a Never Trumper Cult. A clear sign is that you rave on about nothing using lies and implications to do so.

Can you link to your source showing that LYING is an Olympic event?

 

[Conservative]

Here we go yet again. Trump's worst is far worse than Obama's worst. Those are Trump's results. Unless you're going to give us some sort of rhetoric that 10.9 million is less than 9.2 million...not that such would be surprising, coming from you.

Got it, Trump is responsible for the economic results from the bipartisan shutdown approved by the Congress and implemented by the governors? What is it about partisan people like you who will never get it right. I can see the liberal compassion in every one of your posts, shutdown the economy to stop the spread of the virus when the reality is you wanted to get the poor economic results to blame on Trump. Liberal logic and liberal partisans, your party weaponized Covid and still the Democratic States had the worst results from Covid but Trump's personality gave you the ammunition to sell to those idiots who believe in liberalism and in states like Arizona gave Biden a 11,000 vote win by manufacturing and harvesting votes everyway possible in Democrat run cities. Liberalism is like a cult, buy the rhetoric and ignore the results

 

[roguenuke]

What personal attack? You have spent 4 years making personal attacks against the President yet have never told us why or what benefits you are getting out of liberalism? You have a loyalty to an ideology that is a fraud telling you what you want to hear but then creating nothing but massive dependence and wealth for those administering the programs. Biden/Harris are radicals, Biden an embarrassment and Harris an incompetent left wing socialist

First, I'm not debating the President on this site. I'm debating people who are on this site. Second, a personal attack would be against me, not some political figure, which you did earlier against President Biden and have done over most of your time on here against many, many Democrat, liberal political figures. Heck you are going for personal attacks against two Democrat figures right here in this post.

I have a loyalty to facts and information, justice and fairness, logic and reason. That is what I go for.

 

[roguenuke]

Why don't you research and watch the clip instead of doing what you always do, defend the indefensible?

I have researched. I don't need to watch "the clip" to know the claim and how ridiculous they are. It is like trying to convince you that Trump is crazy because he has similar clips.

 

[Conservative]

Do you think everyone else here but you is stupid or something? In March Trump still downplaying the virus. Saying that it would magically go away, that warmer weather and sunshine will kill it, that the country could be reopening by Easter. You don't remember any of that shit? We do! And while were at it here at it what do you say that you go ahead and sum up for us what the hell the 10th Amendment has do with this, Mr Civics?

Did Pelosi, Biden, and All Democrats downplay the virus in December when Impeachment was on the docket, where was Covid in the Presidential debates, what did WHO and CDC say about Covid in January? Did the Democrats support the travel ban in January? Yes, I believe good people can be stupid at times buying rhetoric and ignoring results. Keep diverting from the Biden policies even though the election is over. You got what you wanted, a nanny state President who will try and give you everything you want paid for by someone else

 

[Conservative]

First, I'm not debating the President on this site. I'm debating people who are on this site. Second, a personal attack would be against me, not some political figure, which you did earlier against President Biden and have done over most of your time on here against many, many Democrat, liberal political figures. Heck you are going for personal attacks against two Democrat figures right here in this post.

I have a loyalty to facts and information, justice and fairness, logic and reason. That is what I go for.

If you have such a loyalty to facts then post some with context for all I see are liberal talking points and propaganda from you and others here. Care to explain that post, you aren't debating the President? Right we are debating the ideology and the issues where you want to focus on rhetoric and I focus on results. You have loyalty a fraudulent ideology and not the facts with context. Context meaning Trump economic policies generated the best economic results of any President in history and pandemic that shutdown the economy destroyed those results. It is liberals like you who cherry pick data never explaining why those results were the way they were, context!!!

 

[code1211]

Which doesn’t have any effect on documented reality.

Lol

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You post an opinion piece instead of numbers? Well, okay...

The article opens by saying that the national debt increased by 36% under Trump. That could be correct. Another debate can rise based on when budgetary years start and end and whose budget expires when.

The debt under Trump includes the outrageous outlays of 2020 during our still ongoing 18 Month Introductory Trial of Socialism.

EVEN ASSUMING THAT THIS IS ACCURATE, in order to continue the growth of the debt at the same rate as the two buffoons who preceded him, that rate of growth would have needed to be 50%.

Roughly doubling the debt every eight years is the rate set by the idiots, Bush and Obama, in the 16 years before Trump. Obama came closer than Bush.

A growth of 36 percent is a slowing of the growth rate in force when Trump took office in 2017.

If the rate established over the first three years was continued in the fourth year, the rate of growth in the national Debt would have been 21%. Whether it's pegged at 21% or at 36%, it is a slowing from 96%.

Debt growth under Bush: 78.6%. Debt growth under Obama: 96%.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2021

 

[roguenuke]

If you have such a loyalty to facts then post some with context for all I see are liberal talking points and propaganda from you and others here. Care to explain that post, you aren't debating the President? Right we are debating the ideology and the issues where you want to focus on rhetoric and I focus on results. You have loyalty a fraudulent ideology and not the facts with context. Context meaning Trump economic policies generated the best economic results of any President in history and pandemic that shutdown the economy destroyed those results. It is liberals like you who cherry pick data never explaining why those results were the way they were, context!!!

I have.

Actually this thread is supposed to be debating Arizona audit. You keep diverting from that, refusing to address that at all, instead posting memes and recycled BS to try to avoid discussing how CyberNinjas isn't proving anything related to election fraud, except maybe that they are incompetent when it comes to analyzing election data.

 

[Conservative]

I have.

Actually this thread is supposed to be debating Arizona audit. You keep diverting from that, refusing to address that at all, instead posting memes and recycled BS to try to avoid discussing how CyberNinjas isn't proving anything related to election fraud, except maybe that they are incompetent when it comes to analyzing election data.

Yes, the Arizona audit is a tip of the iceberg and symbolizes what is wrong with liberalism when they are challenged, there is no reason that the 2020 election shouldn't be audited and if the left wasn't concerned they would support that and also cleaning up the voter roles but that is a job succession program that keeps liberals in charge for decades and people like you supporting that ideology over and over again buying rhetoric and expecting different results. Millions and Millions of NO excuse mail in ballots were cast in this past election and the left wants us to believe with so much money on the line along with power that there was no fraud. Every election lawsuit addressed only the voting machines and votes cast not the validity of the voter.

 

[roguenuke]

Yes, the Arizona audit is a tip of the iceberg and symbolizes what is wrong with liberalism when they are challenged, there is no reason that the 2020 election shouldn't be audited and if the left wasn't concerned they would support that and also cleaning up the voter roles but that is a job succession program that keeps liberals in charge for decades and people like you supporting that ideology over and over again buying rhetoric and expecting different results. Millions and Millions of NO excuse mail in ballots were cast in this past election and the left wants us to believe with so much money on the line along with power that there was no fraud. Every election lawsuit addressed only the voting machines and votes cast not the validity of the voter.

No, it is the discussion of this thread. But it does show the desperation of Trump supporters to come up with whatever little crumbs they can to feed the cash cow that is claims of election fraud, without so much as a shred of credible, legitimate evidence.

Yes, and there is nothing wrong with no excuse mail in ballots, and no evidence that they are any source of significant election fraud, actual fraud, not just potential.

The validity of the voter wouldn't change all that much from mail in ballots to in person voting. That is checked when someone registers.

 

[Paradoxical]

I have.

Actually this thread is supposed to be debating Arizona audit. You keep diverting from that, refusing to address that at all, instead posting memes and recycled BS to try to avoid discussing how CyberNinjas isn't proving anything related to election fraud, except maybe that they are incompetent when it comes to analyzing election data.

Their report came out? Great!! I must have missed it. Please give a link to what the audit results were. Thanks.

 

[MTAtech]

Why was the payment to Stormy Daniels illegal and do you have a link to the image of the check to Daniels with Trump's signature on it?

Are stealth jets targetable? If you can't "see" them using radar, by the time you CAN see them visually, it's too late. They are already past you. Stealth Jets are invisible to enemies. That's why they are Stealth Jets.

What was the exact statement that Trump made regarding cancer and windmills?

Did he say that "Mexico" was going to write a check for the wall?

You are proving that you are in a Never Trumper Cult. A clear sign is that you rave on about nothing using lies and implications to do so.

Can you link to your source showing that LYING is an Olympic event?

The issue that you are deflecting from is a question of Trump lying. He said he didn't pay Stormy Daniels but the cancelled check says that he did. Whether it was legal or not is immaterial. Thus, he lied.
Trump didn't say that it was invisible to radar. HERE is the video. He said 'in fights [with other planes] you can't see it.'
You can Google the exact statement of Trump on windmills. It was something about windmill noise causes cancer.
Trump said 'Mexico would pay for the wall." They didn't. He tried to backpedal and say 'his tariffs make them pay for the wall.' That just digs him deeper, since it's showing how he is ignorant about tariffs. Consumers (us) pay the tariffs.
You are right, I am a never Trumper. I'm also a never Hitlarian. Neither are cults and never are bad things.
These are just a few of the tens of thousands of documented lies. Of course, his biggest lie is that he won in 2020 by a landslide but the election was stolen.