Being contagious only 1 day before symptoms show is much different from covid. A covid infected person can spread it 3 or 4 days before symptoms or for a week or more and never get symptoms. Masks do help prevent spread of the flu just not nearly to the extent that they do for covid.
Are you sure? The facts don't seem to support you.
Tell that to the many "long haulers" who suffer symptoms for months and the athletes that get heart problems from mild cases and can't compete. They sure don't feel like winners. The vaccine changed everything for most of us, but the losers are always going to lose. Those who think the vaccine is "risky" don't have a clue either.
You're only speaking of degrees. I'm not arguing that the flu is more contagious than covid or that it's more dangerous. I only corrected your understanding of when it became contagious. What data do you have to support your latest claim? I happen to believe flu cases have been down because of masks (and more hygiene awareness).
Life is a risk. I don't care to play the numbers game but of the over 4 million cases how many do you suppose are going to be suffering for the rest of their lives? Toss out a guess and I'll do the research for you, again.
Right. Initially you started with r0 and an immune population .
Holy crap, that's pathetic. It gives the numbers, it doesnt examine the reason
Not just Republicans: Young people, minorities less likely to get vaxxed
Getting a COVID vaccine isn’t just a matter of red and blue. In fact, some of the groups that voted most enthusiastically for President Biden are among the least likely to be vaccinated.nypost.com
The above backs up my opinion rather well, now doesn't it?
You're welcome.
Your claim was about disputing politics being the main reason for being anti-vaxx. Your own source shows it's political. And it doesnt address reasons for minorities *sigh* My sources did.You are correct, I did start my point with the R0 value, but I did and do realize that Rt is changing over time.
No one knows. That is the thing about covid that many seem to forget. It is not like any other virus known. You can't research data that does not exist and will not exist for decades. We understand how the covid vaccine works far better than how covid attacks our body. We still don't fully understand why or how it attacks our sense of smell so quickly but since the symptoms are so readily apparent we at least know that covid is affecting it. What other damage it may do is not known and may not be known for many years. So it is getting covid that is being a guinea pig not getting the vaccine. Why anyone would want to be an guinea pig for a unknown virus instead of taking a fully vetted and tested vaccine is a mystery to me.
you are correct - at least as far as I'm concerned. I don't want you to get vaccinated. I don't want any of you anti-vaxxers to get vaccinated. I figure eventually the average intelligence of the planet will increase the longer the anti-vax movement goes on. Dying to own the libs is a terrific idea.
As expected from the left - nothing but hatred.
"They" are the people who continued to work even when there was no vaccine available - just to keep you and yours in supplies. "They" are the people who look around and see the recovery rate of Covid. Is by far - by WAY far - more than the fatality rate. "They" feel like they made it through all that just fine so just maybe "they" don't need a vaccine.
You made all of that up. You have no idea what millions of people "feel."
Then by all means - continue to denigrate them. It's not about them anymore anyway. At this point, It's about nothing more than the attempt to justify bullying.
I think making fun of someone who has died is inhumane, even if they're a victim of their own ignorance and stupid advice.
Making fun of anti-vaxxers who died of COVID-19 is a dark indication that we've all surrendered to the disease
We don't have to be nice to anti-vaxxers, but instead of making light of them when they die from COVID-19, let's try and prevent that from happening.www.yahoo.com
"But ultimately, no matter how vile the target of the memes are and no matter how tempting it is to participate in the schadenfreude, it is an unhelpful distraction that represents a dark reality: we're okay with how many people are dying from COVID-19.
Before I go any further, let me say that this is not an argument for empathy for those who are fiercely anti-vaccine or an attempt to try to understand their perspective. Nor is this an argument to persuade anti-vaccine advocates. Some of them have unfortunately gone down a destructive rabbit hole that even their loved ones find it difficult to help them out of quickly. Being nicer won't necessarily change that, but neither does making fun of them after they have died."
That has nothing to do with what I posted.
But it has everything to do with the real issue. It's not an issue of not believing - it's just not caring. There's a whole lot of that going on out there.
I must be tired - usually I like a good snark.
I'm only responsible for what I post.. not whatever machinations are going on in your mind.
Nice deflection
Heavy fines would be a good start. Hit the idiots where it hurts most; in the pocket.
Being nicer? That would imply there's an element of "nice" in there already. Nope - the mandaters are devoid of any "nice".I think making fun of someone who has died is inhumane, even if they're a victim of their own ignorance and stupid advice.
Making fun of anti-vaxxers who died of COVID-19 is a dark indication that we've all surrendered to the disease
We don't have to be nice to anti-vaxxers, but instead of making light of them when they die from COVID-19, let's try and prevent that from happening.
"But ultimately, no matter how vile the target of the memes are and no matter how tempting it is to participate in the schadenfreude, it is an unhelpful distraction that represents a dark reality: we're okay with how many people are dying from COVID-19.
Before I go any further, let me say that this is not an argument for empathy for those who are fiercely anti-vaccine or an attempt to try to understand their perspective. Nor is this an argument to persuade anti-vaccine advocates. Some of them have unfortunately gone down a destructive rabbit hole that even their loved ones find it difficult to help them out of quickly. Being nicer won't necessarily change that, but neither does making fun of them after they have died."
How does one deflect from a non-specific, generalized non-statement?
I think those who fall victim to their own stupidity deserve to be made fun of. I have yet to see a single reason not to get vaccinated unless you have some kind of really weird immuno something or other. All the others who refuse to get vaccinated, I could not care less if they kicked the bucket, the sooner the better for then they can't infect others. Hundreds of millions of vaccines have been taken around the world, no microchips, no lizard dna, no aborted baby cells and no reports of negative mass side effects which leads me to believe those who refuse to get vaccinated are for political reasons not health reasons. I should care if the people who refuse to get vaccinated and are giving me the middle finger in the process die? I don't.I think making fun of someone who has died is inhumane, even if they're a victim of their own ignorance and stupid advice.
Making fun of anti-vaxxers who died of COVID-19 is a dark indication that we've all surrendered to the disease
We don't have to be nice to anti-vaxxers, but instead of making light of them when they die from COVID-19, let's try and prevent that from happening.
"But ultimately, no matter how vile the target of the memes are and no matter how tempting it is to participate in the schadenfreude, it is an unhelpful distraction that represents a dark reality: we're okay with how many people are dying from COVID-19.
Before I go any further, let me say that this is not an argument for empathy for those who are fiercely anti-vaccine or an attempt to try to understand their perspective. Nor is this an argument to persuade anti-vaccine advocates. Some of them have unfortunately gone down a destructive rabbit hole that even their loved ones find it difficult to help them out of quickly. Being nicer won't necessarily change that, but neither does making fun of them after they have died."
Today's anti-vaxxers are not those who nobly continued to work. They were the ones that bitched about low supplies and hoarded toilet paper. Today's anti-vexers have never been public spirited, willing to mask and social distance. Right from the git go they were the complainers that their freedoms were being trampled on. And outreach was rebuffed every time cooperation was suggested. Anyway it looks like your school district is requiring masks and vaccination and that the hair across your ass not political cartoons about the hospitals being overwhelmed by dying anti-vaxxers.
