(W:#243) Making fun of anti-vaxxers who died

[trixare4kids]

The reason most are not getting vaccinated is because of their political views

That's how stupid they are, and they wont let go of the previous administration loser and now that idiocy is contributing to their deaths and illness. Their "politics" are killing them. And yet, they still worship their ex-leader.

Lowest educated red states unvaxxed and hospitals overwhelmed

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/26/politics/west-virginia-covid-analysis/index.html

Lots of Hispanics and Blacks in red states who haven't been vaccinated, Lursa.

Would you say their politics are killing them? And that they are Trump worshipers?

 

[Lursa]

Lots of Hispanics and Blacks in red states who haven't been vaccinated, Lursa.

Would you say their politics are killing them? And that they are Trump worshipers?

Only in the sense that because of the past, they dont trust the govt, period. It's not politics, nor partisanship.

An example of why:

"The Arkansas Medical Board is investigating after a doctor said he prescribed an anti-parasitic drug "thousands" of times for treatment of Covid-19, including to inmates in an Arkansas jail.​

The FDA has been warning against the use of ivermectin for treatment of Covid-19 since March. The drug is used to treat parasitic infections, primarily in livestock, and the CDC recently cautioned about an increase in reports to poison centers of severe illness caused by the drug.​

The county employee -- who doesn't work for the sheriff's department -- was directed to the jail to receive a Covid-19 test, Madison told CNN. During the visit he was prescribed ivermectin, which the Arkansas Department of Health also advises not to use to treat or prevent Covid-19.​

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"No one -- including incarcerated individuals -- should be subject to medical experimentation," Holly Dickson, executive director of the ACLU of Arkansas, said in a statement, adding that the sheriff "has a responsibility to provide food, shelter and safe, appropriate care to incarcerated people."​

Arkansas doctor under investigation for prescribing anti-parasitic drug thousands of times for Covid-19 despite FDA warning | CNN

The Arkansas Medical Board is investigating after a doctor said he prescribed an anti-parasitic drug "thousands" of times for treatment of Covid-19, including to inmates in an Arkansas jail.

www.cnn.com

Previous history of the govt using them as "experimental animals."

Also:

Why Black And Latino People Still Lag On COVID Vaccines — And How To Fix It

It's not a matter of vaccine hesitancy, say advocates. Instead, poorly located clinics, lack of flexible appointments and other barriers to access are hampering Philadelphia's hardest-hit communities.

www.npr.org

 

[trixare4kids]

Only in the sense that because of the past, they dont trust the govt, period. It's not politics, nor partisanship.

An example of why:

"The Arkansas Medical Board is investigating after a doctor said he prescribed an anti-parasitic drug "thousands" of times for treatment of Covid-19, including to inmates in an Arkansas jail.​

The FDA has been warning against the use of ivermectin for treatment of Covid-19 since March. The drug is used to treat parasitic infections, primarily in livestock, and the CDC recently cautioned about an increase in reports to poison centers of severe illness caused by the drug.​

The county employee -- who doesn't work for the sheriff's department -- was directed to the jail to receive a Covid-19 test, Madison told CNN. During the visit he was prescribed ivermectin, which the Arkansas Department of Health also advises not to use to treat or prevent Covid-19.​

​

"No one -- including incarcerated individuals -- should be subject to medical experimentation," Holly Dickson, executive director of the ACLU of Arkansas, said in a statement, adding that the sheriff "has a responsibility to provide food, shelter and safe, appropriate care to incarcerated people."​

Arkansas doctor under investigation for prescribing anti-parasitic drug thousands of times for Covid-19 despite FDA warning | CNN

The Arkansas Medical Board is investigating after a doctor said he prescribed an anti-parasitic drug "thousands" of times for treatment of Covid-19, including to inmates in an Arkansas jail.

www.cnn.com

Previous history of the govt using them as "experimental animals."

Also:

Why Black And Latino People Still Lag On COVID Vaccines — And How To Fix It

It's not a matter of vaccine hesitancy, say advocates. Instead, poorly located clinics, lack of flexible appointments and other barriers to access are hampering Philadelphia's hardest-hit communities.

www.npr.org

I'm not buying that brown and black people don't trust the government in that less than 15% of their own demographys is vaccinated. Going one step further, it's not about their partisanship or their politics anymore than I am buying that it's about Caucasian politics, their partisanship and their Trump worship.

That's just wishful thinking by the anti-Trump, leftist brigade.

 

[Lursa]

I'm not buying that brown and black people don't trust the government in that less than 15% of their own demographys is vaccinated. Going one step further, it's not about their partisanship or their politics anymore than I am buying that it's about Caucasians politics and partisanship and Trump worship.

That's just wishful thinking by the anti-Trump, leftist brigade.

OK

That's not an argument, but you are welcome to post it.

 

[trixare4kids]

OK

That's not an argument, but you are welcome to post it.

Of course it's an argument. The CDC's stats mostly prove who is making the anti-vaxxer fake argument that it's mostly the right wing Trump voter who is stupid when it comes to being unvaccinated. Minorities in this country have their share of stupid people when it comes to the Covid unvaccinated. And a lot of them voted for Biden and live in both blue and red states

 

[iguanaman]

Nothing like this has happened in recent times. I don't even remember my PCP wearing a mask every time he/she saw me until covid came on the scene. This has become the new normal but that doesn't mean people should be happy about it.

The asians have been wearing masks in public since SARS and the only result is fewer colds and flus. The horror...We can't have the flu taken away from us right? I bet you look forward to getting it every year.

 

[Rawley]

Most of the extremely rare cases of heart problems do not even need hospitalization.

Wrong again.

The CDC also reported an approximately 95% hospitalization rate for myocarditis-related adverse vaccine events.

It's rather sad that you continue to deny this science. It's almost like you get some joy in spreading disinformation. Sixth time - Although you call it "extremely rare," your teenage son or grandson is three times as likely to be hospitalized with myocarditis or pericarditis from the vaccine than he is from COVID. Three times as likely.

 

[iguanaman]

I'm not the one needing convincing. Change is easy for me personally but we're talking about those who don't want to change and whether ridiculing them will bring about a change of heart. I doubt it will, but if you're convinced this will be effective then knock yourself out with the approach.

So you agree that we should not have any winners and every kid should get a trophy. That might be fine for kids but in the real world it is a lie and there are winners and losers in life and this is the result of that attitude. . Nothing makes that clearer than covid. Sorry but anti-vax losers should not be given trophies but made to feel like they need to start acting like winners if they are to survive.

 

[iguanaman]

Wrong again.




It's rather sad that you continue to deny this science. It's almost like you get some joy in spreading disinformation. Sixth time - Although you call it "extremely rare," your teenage son or grandson is three times as likely to be hospitalized with myocarditis or pericarditis from the vaccine than he is from COVID. Three times as likely.

You didn't read my last link where a study found that .6% of athletes with MILD cases of covid had heart inflammation problems serious enough to stop them from competing. Do the math. There is a 6 out of 1000 chance of covid causing myocarditis and 1 out of 5000 chance of the vaccine doing it. Which is the smart choice? Letting your child get sick and possibly die from covid or getting the vaccine? I have mentioned before that we do not know how many more long term problems that covid infections cause and you should not be one of those that claims that it is not a serious illness. Allowing your child to get infected is irresponsible and wrong.

 

[Overitall]

So you agree that we should not have any winners and every kid should get a trophy. That might be fine for kids but in the real world it is a lie and there are winners and losers in life and this is the result of that attitude. . Nothing makes that clearer than covid. Sorry but anti-vax losers should not be given trophies but made to feel like they need to start acting like winners if they are to survive.

What does this even mean?

 

[Rawley]

You didn't read my last link where a study found that .6% of athletes with MILD cases of covid had heart inflammation problems serious enough to stop them from competing. Do the math. There is a 6 out of 1000 chance of covid causing myocarditis and 1 out of 5000 chance of the vaccine doing it. Which is the smart choice? Letting your child get sick and possibly die from covid or getting the vaccine?

I did read your link. You keep deflecting to adults. It seems clear why - the actual science with respect to teenage boys completely undercuts the marching orders you've been given by the administration - vaccination uber alles. Seventh time - your teenage son or grandson is three times as likely to be hospitalized with myocarditis or pericarditis from the vaccine than he is from COVID.

 

[iguanaman]

I did read your link. You keep deflecting to adults. It seems clear why - the actual science completely undercuts that marching orders you've been given by the administration - vaccination uber alles. Seventh time - your teenage son or grandson is three times as likely to be hospitalized with myocarditis or pericarditis from the vaccine than he is from COVID.

And he is more than 3 times as likely to get myocarditis from a mild case of covid than from the vaccine. That study was entirely of athletes that had mild cases not requiring hospitalization and 6 out of 1000 we diagnosed with heart inflammation. You are fixated on being hospitalized when that is not a guarantee that there is not long term damage from the disease and yes that includes children. It is completely irresponsible and wrong to assume that children have nothing to fear from covid infections and I am sick and tired of hearing that lie.

“Although kids tend not to be so badly affected by COVID-19 and often have asymptomatic or mild cases, we are seeing kids who have decreased exercise tolerance, joint pain, fatigue, and brain fog after COVID-19 infection,” says Katharine Clouser, M.D., a pediatric hospital medicine specialist at Hackensack Meridian Children’s Health.
Although it is not yet clear how many children in the U.S. have been affected by this “long-COVID” syndrome, studies show that up to 40 percent of children in Italy and approximately 15-20 percent of children in England are experiencing “long-haul” COVID-19 symptoms.

https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/HealthU/2021/05/19/how-covid-19-affects-kids-long-term/

Should I Still Get Myself or My Child Vaccinated?​

Yes. CDC continues to recommend that everyone aged 12 years and older get vaccinated for COVID-19. The known risks of COVID-19 illness and its related, possibly severe complications, such as long-term health problems, hospitalization, and even death, far outweigh the potential risks of having a rare adverse reaction to vaccination, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.

If you or your child has already gotten the first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, it’s important to get the second dose unless a vaccination provider or your doctor tells you not to get it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

 

[Fishking]

Dead is still dead....

That's...not the point....

 

[trixare4kids]

The asians have been wearing masks in public since SARS and the only result is fewer colds and flus. The horror...We can't have the flu taken away from us right? I bet you look forward to getting it every year.

Why would he look forward to getting the flu every year? And why would you presume we have to wear masks in order to not catch it?
We have flu shots...No need to be wearing masks.

 

[jaeger19]

Yes, but I've also described Rt, reproductive number over time as immunity grows. The point being that Rt cannot be below 1 given R0 of 8 and efficacy against infection of 70%. That calculates to Rt > 1. We've decreased the transmission rate, but we won't stop it. We need to get everyone to have better than 70% protection against infection for that to happen, possibly with some type of booster or natural exposure after being vaccinated.

Yeah not true. You start with the faulty assumption that R0 is a statistic that occurs with an immune population.. it doesn't.
R0 doesn't tell you transmissability in the presence of immunity.
Transmission can merely be stopped by distance.
As it gets harder and harder for the virus to find hosts the chances of extinction increase.

 

[iguanaman]

Why would he look forward to getting the flu every year? And why would you presume we have to wear masks in order to not catch it?
We have flu shots...No need to be wearing masks.

Many of us have gotten flu shots and still got the flu. Truthfully masks are not nearly as needed for the flu as they are for covid. The flu does not become contagious until you are pretty sick and most are home in bed by then. Covid is far different. Some spread it for weeks and never get sick. Colds are also spread by people that feel OK.

 

[fireflygmf]

Yeah not true. You start with the faulty assumption that R0 is a statistic that occurs with an immune population.. it doesn't.
R0 doesn't tell you transmissability in the presence of immunity.
Transmission can merely be stopped by distance.
As it gets harder and harder for the virus to find hosts the chances of extinction increase.

R0 is an intrinsic property of the virus in a given environment. In this case, R0 represents the potential of Delta to spread in a completely naive population. This is a function over time t. As immunity grows, Rt becomes less than R0 approaching 1 or less. The R0 of 8 is not a faulty assumption in value or definition, it's the figure and definition given by the WHO.

 

[iguanaman]

What does this even mean?

Getting vaccinated is being a winner, Both for yourself and for the society you live in. You think anti-vaxxers should get trophies just for playing instead of being called out for the losers they are.

 

[Lursa]

Of course it's an argument. The CDC's stats mostly prove who is making the anti-vaxxer fake argument that it's mostly the right wing Trump voter who is stupid when it comes to being unvaccinated. Minorities in this country have their share of stupid people when it comes to the Covid unvaccinated. And a lot of them voted for Biden and live in both blue and red states

LOL You wrote the equivalent of 'na huh.' That's not an argument.

I posted sources that showed why I developed my opinion. You continue to post 'na huh.'

 

[Overitall]

Getting vaccinated is being a winner, Both for yourself and for the society you live in.

Having been infected and having the antibodies to the virus isn't exactly losing. Risky way to be a winner? Sure. But ya see a lot of people didn't have a choice; the vaccine wasn't available.

 

[trixare4kids]

LOL You wrote the equivalent of 'na huh.' That's not an argument.

I posted sources that showed why I developed my opinion. You continue to post 'na huh.'

Not just Republicans: Young people, minorities less likely to get vaxxed

Getting a COVID vaccine isn’t just a matter of red and blue. In fact, some of the groups that voted most enthusiastically for President Biden are among the least likely to be vaccinated.

nypost.com

The above backs up my opinion rather well, now doesn't it?

You're welcome.

 

[Overitall]

Many of us have gotten flu shots and still got the flu. Truthfully masks are not nearly as needed for the flu as they are for covid. The flu does not become contagious until you are pretty sick and most are home in bed by then. Covid is far different. Some spread it for weeks and never get sick. Colds are also spread by people that feel OK.

How Flu Spreads

Flu viruses spread by droplets made when people cough, sneeze or talk.

www.cdc.gov

People with flu are most contagious in the first three to four days after their illness begins. Most healthy adults may be able to infect others beginning 1 day before symptoms develop and up to 5 to 7 days after becoming sick.

Are you sure? The facts don't seem to support you.

 

[trixare4kids]

How Flu Spreads

Flu viruses spread by droplets made when people cough, sneeze or talk.

www.cdc.gov

Are you sure? The facts don't seem to support you.

Damn those pesky facts.

 

[HangLow]

Dead is still dead....

 

[Overitall]

Damn those pesky facts.

They aren't hard to discover.