[W:2047] President-Elect Joe Biden Hits 80 Million Votes In Year Of Record Turnout

[ElChupacabra]

There is a saying, "it is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled" That defines people like you. You cannot seem to grasp the reality that with a democracy comes responsibility and that responsibility is to go to the polls for early voting or on election day OR qualify for an official absentee ballots. No excuse ballots are exactly what the left needed to steal this election as money, power, and the establishment were at risk during this election. The Swamp exists and has grown stronger.

Since you have no evidence to support this, and the Trump campaign has failed to prove it as well, this is a rather silly claim to make. Some states have already implemented full postal voting and have had little in the way of fraud. Since you and others are making the claim of no-excuse ballots being some way to steal an election, it is on those making the claims to be able to prove that claim. So far the GOP led states which used this method have not reported these kind of ballots by conducting recounts to identify any potential discrepancies.

What is the more likely reality, is this is all a rather odd way to rationalize that not everyone thought Trump was the best thing since sliced bread and decided to vote accordingly.

 

[Conservative]

"ElChupacabra, post: 1073285174, member: 32739"]
That money is being taken out of their pockets either way because uncompensated healthcare isn't free. The difference now is it's in the "hidden costs" you often refer to.

a lot less today than with Universal healthcare for 330,000,000 people as the studies show. Let's just face it, you want someone else to pay for your healthcare through their tax increases. How do taxes benefit our private sector economy and the number one component of GDP?

Reality does suck, and our current health care system is unsustainable which is why we either address it proactively, or end up scrambling for solutions once more eo

So you claim, unproven but as I told another poster, let your state be the laboratory for a universal healthcare program.

Health insurance companies don't do "R&D". You're mistaking them with pharmaceutical companies.

Ok, why don't you define the Administrative expenses for healthcare companies, an industry that I never worked for but support to prevent massive gov't intervention

 

[Conservative]

I think you should read those words to yourself each morning when you look into the bathroom mirror. Its you that needs to reflect upon those words.

This notion that the election was stolen is idiotic. People that believe that have to accept the notion that everyone is wrong and they are right. That, my friend, is the foundation of delusion.

So, to buy into election fraud, you have to buy the following are wrong:

Trump approval ratings of four years;
pre-election polls of one year;
the actual original tally of votes;
all recounts, where conducted;
poll watchers at thousands of precincts;
Election commissioners of 50 states;
the Secretaries of State of 50 states;
The election certification process in each of 50 states;
the FBI director;
The AG;
The NSA;
The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency

Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees | CISA

The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State...

www.cisa.gov

60 judges which dismissed cases filed on behalf of Trump, where the verdicts of above were challenged, but they produced insufficient evidence of the same.

When all these people are wrong and some fringe news outlet says they are right, well, intelligent people would begin to question whether maybe it is they that are untethered from reality. This "I am right" and everyone else is wrong is just not an intelligent argument; its a conspiracy theory.

Bear in mind, the elections are the call of the states, not anyone else. If the 50 states certify their elections, the matter is closed.

I appreciate the nearly 500 posts or so that you have made to this thread are you working out the denial in head. Let me help: the election was not stolen, it was lost by Trump. Again, the election reflected the opinion polls that we have seen four years and the election polls running up to the election. The only victim of fraud here are those that have been lied to and somehow believe the election stolen against all rational thinking (see above --- its been litigated).

That notwithstanding, if what you have witnessed of Trump since of election day does not convince you that he was unfit for the office, then you are not a good judge of character, which is not something I would want thought of me if I had a career in management and human resources.

Please rejoin in reality at your earliest convenience. Most of us miss the calmer, more rational, more likeable you.

You think I give a damn about Trump's approval ratings? I focus on results something you want to ignore. What convinces me are policies not rhetoric and results not your opinions. Sorry but 65 million mail in ballots without signature matching or absentee ballot controls led to the stealing of this election. You couldn't get to the polls for eary voting, on election day, or qualify for an absentee ballot, then your vote shouldn't be counted in a Presidential election. You want that in your state, so be it.

 

[Conservative]

Since you have no evidence to support this, and the Trump campaign has failed to prove it as well, this is a rather silly claim to make. Some states have already implemented full postal voting and have had little in the way of fraud. Since you and others are making the claim of no-excuse ballots being some way to steal an election, it is on those making the claims to be able to prove that claim. So far the GOP led states which used this method have not reported these kind of ballots by conducting recounts to identify any potential discrepancies.

What is the more likely reality, is this is all a rather odd way to rationalize that not everyone thought Trump was the best thing since sliced bread and decided to vote accordingly.

Logic, common sense, establishment attitude, power, dollars, low rejection rate, record turnout for basement Joe tell me a different story.

 

[Conservative]

I think you should read those words to yourself each morning when you look into the bathroom mirror. Its you that needs to reflect upon those words.

This notion that the election was stolen is idiotic. People that believe that have to accept the notion that everyone is wrong and they are right. That, my friend, is the foundation of delusion.

So, to buy into election fraud, you have to buy the following are wrong:

Trump approval ratings of four years;
pre-election polls of one year;
the actual original tally of votes;
all recounts, where conducted;
poll watchers at thousands of precincts;
Election commissioners of 50 states;
the Secretaries of State of 50 states;
The election certification process in each of 50 states;
the FBI director;
The AG;
The NSA;
The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency

Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees | CISA

The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State...

www.cisa.gov

60 judges which dismissed cases filed on behalf of Trump, where the verdicts of above were challenged, but they produced insufficient evidence of the same.

When all these people are wrong and some fringe news outlet says they are right, well, intelligent people would begin to question whether maybe it is they that are untethered from reality. This "I am right" and everyone else is wrong is just not an intelligent argument; its a conspiracy theory.

Bear in mind, the elections are the call of the states, not anyone else. If the 50 states certify their elections, the matter is closed.

I appreciate the nearly 500 posts or so that you have made to this thread are you working out the denial in head. Let me help: the election was not stolen, it was lost by Trump. Again, the election reflected the opinion polls that we have seen four years and the election polls running up to the election. The only victim of fraud here are those that have been lied to and somehow believe the election stolen against all rational thinking (see above --- its been litigated).

That notwithstanding, if what you have witnessed of Trump since of election day does not convince you that he was unfit for the office, then you are not a good judge of character, which is not something I would want thought of me if I had a career in management and human resources.

Please rejoin in reality at your earliest convenience. Most of us miss the calmer, more rational, more likeable you.

You see you focus on polls, actions, and rhetoric not policies and results! That is the march towards socialism where there is no turning back. Only very poorly informed, uneducated, initiative challenged, non competitive individuals support that ideology that was proven in the last election, People not motivated to go to the polls don't deserve to be heard. Hell the blue fingered Iraqis got up enough courage to go to the polls facing their enemy but regardless of the precautions in place millions and millions of entitlement minded spoiled liberal brats couldn't get off their asses and go to the polls or qualify for an OFFICIAL Absentee ballot

you have never offered any evidence that the Trump actions and policies have done any harm to you, your family, or the country. Now you got what you wanted a career politician like Obama who will tell you what you want to hear and make you feel better regardless of the results

 

[ElChupacabra]

Logic,

If you have a false premise, the argument you frame from it will be equally flawed.

common sense,

Similar to the scenario above. If common knowledge is that it makes sense to cross the street without looking, "common sense" doesn't make much sense.

establishment attitude,

Not sure what to make of this one, because once Trump became president he is in essence the establishment.

power, dollars,

Were they in shortage for the incumbent?

low rejection rate,

So is this a bad thing? Usually the way this works is states strive to have low rejection rates. This campaign was unique in that many states made a significant effort in communicating how to properly fill out your ballots. Odd that you see this as a failing.

record turnout for basement Joe tell me a different story.

They tell you a different story because you assume Trump was favorable to everyone, which he wasn't. All sorts of polling showed he was not doing well in polling throughout his presidency. He failed to poll over 50% for most of his tenure, which shows there was a clear disconnect between how he and his supporters viewed him and how everyone else did.

 

[Conservative]

If you have a false premise, the argument you frame from it will be equally flawed.


Similar to the scenario above. If common knowledge is that it makes sense to cross the street without looking, "common sense" doesn't make much sense.


Not sure what to make of this one, because once Trump became president he is in essence the establishment.


Were they in shortage for the incumbent?


So is this a bad thing? Usually the way this works is states strive to have low rejection rates. This campaign was unique in that many states made a significant effort in communicating how to properly fill out your ballots. Odd that you see this as a failing.


They tell you a different story because you assume Trump was favorable to everyone, which he wasn't. All sorts of polling showed he was not doing well in polling throughout his presidency. He failed to poll over 50% for most of his tenure, which shows there was a clear disconnect between how he and his supporters viewed him and how everyone else did.

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No, you got the results you wanted and are too naive to believe that power corrupts a lot of people and this election process will go down into history as one of the most corrupt elections in history. You cannot seem to grasp how much the establishment hated Trump and what efforts they have gone through to destroy him. You cannot however ignore the results regardless of how much you want to do that and are going to get exactly what you deserve. Trump has never been the establishment pissing off both sides but his grass roots support was incredible as most people understand results trump rhetoric and actions.

 

[ElChupacabra]

No, you got the results you wanted and are too naive to believe that power corrupts a lot of people and this election process will go down into history as one of the most corrupt elections in history.

In the mind of people pushing baseless claims, sure. Based on all of the information we have available from a multitude of sources, including agencies under this administration's purview, not so much. I suspect history will not look positively on the actions of the current president during this election process. You essentially have a president who pushed conspiratorial theories not just after the election, but well before the election to place. The biggest contradiction with his position is found in recent history; namely the 2016 election where he pushed the same kind of conspiracy theory but then gladly accepted the results of a supposedly fraudulent election.

The other point to keep in mind is his supporters who buy into the "election integrity" narrative Trump is pushing apparently had no issue with accepting the results of the "rigged" 2016 election. Did this "election integrity" not matter when it was a result they wanted?

You cannot seem to grasp how much the establishment hated Trump and what efforts they have gone through to destroy him. You cannot however ignore the results regardless of how much you want to do that and are going to get exactly what you deserve. Trump has never been the establishment pissing off both sides but his grass roots support was incredible as most people understand results trump rhetoric and actions.

Yet you don't seem to grasp how much of this is Trump's own doing. You are either willfully ignorant of Trump's self sabotage or have deluded yourself to think that his combative approach to just about everything was going to be a problem. Trump has always wanted to be part of the establishment, but he lacked the self awareness of how to fit in it. His persona was always one which kept him on the outside looking in; a complex he's had for a very long time and why he's always been keen on sticking it to the establishment.

 

[Conservative]

In the mind of people pushing baseless claims, sure. Based on all of the information we have available from a multitude of sources, including agencies under this administration's purview, not so much. I suspect history will not look positively on the actions of the current president during this election process. You essentially have a president who pushed conspiratorial theories not just after the election, but well before the election to place. The biggest contradiction with his position is found in recent history; namely the 2016 election where he pushed the same kind of conspiracy theory but then gladly accepted the results of a supposedly fraudulent election.

The other point to keep in mind is his supporters who buy into the "election integrity" narrative Trump is pushing apparently had no issue with accepting the results of the "rigged" 2016 election. Did this "election integrity" not matter when it was a result they wanted?




Yet you don't seem to grasp how much of this is Trump's own doing. You are either willfully ignorant of Trump's self sabotage or have deluded yourself to think that his combative approach to just about everything was going to be a problem. Trump has always wanted to be part of the establishment, but he lacked the self awareness of how to fit in it. His persona was always one which kept him on the outside looking in; a complex he's had for a very long time and why he's always been keen on sticking it to the establishment.

NO, what is baseless is any argument for no excuse mail in ballots as there is no justification for that activity with the precautions the election official took to make sure the polling locations were safe, early voting, and official absentee ballots.

What you fail to recognize are results and continue to buy rhetoric.. It makes no sense for someone to sit on their couch at home casting a ballot when over 90 million Americans went to the polls. You support that entitlement ideology and condone voting from home while also ignoring that democracy is difficult and comes with responsibilities which include going to the polls.

The Democrats did a great job indoctrinating people like you. As I pointed out it is easier fooling someone vs getting them to admit they have been fooled. You have been bought and paid for by the liberal establishment and the liberalism in me feels sorry for you.

 

[jakiejakester]

There is a saying, "it is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled" That defines people like you. You cannot seem to grasp the reality that with a democracy comes responsibility and that responsibility is to go to the polls for early voting or on election day OR qualify for an official absentee ballots. No excuse ballots are exactly what the left needed to steal this election as money, power, and the establishment were at risk during this election. The Swamp exists and has grown stronger.

Uhm....YOU HAVE BEEN FOOLED but no one can convince you!

 

[jakiejakester]

I appreciate the nearly 500 posts or so that you have made to this thread are you working out the denial in head. Let me help: the election was not stolen, it was lost by Trump. Again, the election reflected the opinion polls that we have seen four years and the election polls running up to the election. The only victim of fraud here are those that have been lied to and somehow believe the election stolen against all rational thinking (see above --- its been litigated).

That notwithstanding, if what you have witnessed of Trump since of election day does not convince you that he was unfit for the office, then you are not a good judge of character, which is not something I would want thought of me if I had a career in management and human resources.

Please rejoin in reality at your earliest convenience. Most of us miss the calmer, more rational, more likeable you.

Great post, thank you! Sadly for the 74M+ people who voted for Trump they put their faith and trust in him (despite the overwhelming evidence they were being lied to) and he betrayed them in ways I guess they will never believe or accept. All of those lying right wing pundits, channels, websites are complicit in what happened last Wednesday. Their conspiracy theories convinced them that they are right and truth is wrong. 5 people died during the insurrection because of this madness. Imagine what sort of person denies and/or defends Trump? They claim he did a great job as President and cite reasons why and at the same time ignore all the things Trump did over the last 4 years by justifying it with "but...the stock market...but...the economy...but...the vaccine...but...etc." These people are so deranged they are now threatening and attacking the biggest Trump supporters like Lindsey Graham...did you see this tweet?



This tweet is all you need to know about Trumplicans...

 

[ElChupacabra]

NO, what is baseless is any argument for no excuse mail in ballots as there is no justification for that activity with the precautions the election official took to make sure the polling locations were safe, early voting, and official absentee ballots.

Again, nothing has been found showing no-excuse mail in ballots were a problem, so your argument is essentially that states shouldn't have done that because you don't think that's warranted. Clearly many states didn't agree with that assessment and took the measures they felt necessary to make it safer for people to vote.

What you fail to recognize are results and continue to buy rhetoric.. It makes no sense for someone to sit on their couch at home casting a ballot when over 90 million Americans went to the polls.

You are making an arbitrary judgment on the method people choose to vote; implying that somehow someone going to vote in person is somehow indicative of commitment to the process. I suppose you think people who still go in to make deposits in person are better than those who use the mobile app? Also, in some states the only way to vote is by mail, and in those states you have more voter turn out than those where it's mainly in person.

You support that entitlement ideology and condone voting from home while also ignoring that democracy is difficult and comes with responsibilities which include going to the polls.

No, I just don't place arbitrary value judgments on how people choose to vote. To me, the fact someone made the time to vote is indicative of their commitment to do so and not that they went in person. The responsibility is to vote and not in the method you choose to do so.

The Democrats did a great job indoctrinating people like you. As I pointed out it is easier fooling someone vs getting them to admit they have been fooled. You have been bought and paid for by the liberal establishment and the liberalism in me feels sorry for you.

Since you have been the one pushing conspiracy narratives about election fraud, and bought Trump's absurd premise that he could only lose if there was election fraud, I think you should reconsider who has been fooled.

 

[Conservative]

Uhm....YOU HAVE BEEN FOOLED but no one can convince you!

Results matter except to you who buys rhetoric

I keep hearing you and others making that claim but offering no data to support it, that is because there is no such date

 

[ElChupacabra]

a lot less today than with Universal healthcare for 330,000,000 people as the studies show. Let's just face it, you want someone else to pay for your healthcare through their tax increases. How do taxes benefit our private sector economy and the number one component of GDP?

Nope, and I already linked to the study showing that even with Medicare For All, it would be cheaper than insuring everyone through our current patchwork model.

So you claim, unproven but as I told another poster, let your state be the laboratory for a universal healthcare program.

You seem to be in favor of applying a band aid on a large wound.

Ok, why don't you define the Administrative expenses for healthcare companies, an industry that I never worked for but support to prevent massive gov't intervention

Sure. They come in the form premium collection, claims processing, benefits management, and advertising.

 

[Conservative]

Nope, and I already linked to the study showing that even with Medicare For All, it would be cheaper than insuring everyone through our current patchwork model.



You seem to be in favor of applying a band aid on a large wound.



Sure. They come in the form premium collection, claims processing, benefits management, and advertising.

And I posted a study showing that it would cost more, there isn't a gov't program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do and still you buy the rhetoric. Please stop this bullshit trying to convince people that you care about healthcare care as there is no advantage to anyone like you who apparently is so well off that you voted for Biden and his agenda which is going to cost more and then add Universal healthcare to the cost

Or is it that you expect someone else to pay for yours and your family healthcare?

 

[Conservative]

What the **** is wrong with today's Democratic Party, such hatred and no way to unite the country as if they really cared

Democrats march toward another impeachment against Trump for deadly riot at Capitol

House Democrats were drafting new articles of impeachment against President Trump on Friday following a deadly riot at the Capitol two days earlier in a failed attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's presidential victory.

www.foxnews.com

 

[ElChupacabra]

And I posted a study showing that it would cost more, there isn't a gov't program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do and still you buy the rhetoric. Please stop this bullshit trying to convince people that you care about healthcare care as there is no advantage to anyone like you who apparently is so well off that you voted for Biden and his agenda which is going to cost more and then add Universal healthcare to the cost

Your defeatist attitude is reaching comical levels. I am indeed concerned about healthcare because our current model makes no sense given its clear deficiencies and outcomes. The difference between our approaches is you provide no solutions while I look to ways to improve it.

Or is it that you expect someone else to pay for yours and your family healthcare?

Nope. Since I'm a tax payer, I would be contributing to my own healthcare. The difference is I would be paying to also insure those who don't have it and in the long run, make it cheaper to cover them than the current model.

 

[ElChupacabra]

What the **** is wrong with today's Democratic Party, such hatred and no way to unite the country as if they really cared

Democrats march toward another impeachment against Trump for deadly riot at Capitol

House Democrats were drafting new articles of impeachment against President Trump on Friday following a deadly riot at the Capitol two days earlier in a failed attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's presidential victory.

www.foxnews.com

Speaking of rhetoric and results, how did Trump and Giuliani's rhetoric during the rally turn out? Do you think any of them are accountable for inciting the protestors, or is this a "no responsibility" argument from you?

 

[upsideguy]

What the **** is wrong with today's Democratic Party, such hatred and no way to unite the country as if they really cared

Democrats march toward another impeachment against Trump for deadly riot at Capitol

House Democrats were drafting new articles of impeachment against President Trump on Friday following a deadly riot at the Capitol two days earlier in a failed attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's presidential victory.

www.foxnews.com

Promoting insurrection is an impeachable offense. He is a significant threat to national security. History needs to have this recorded and, its hoped, the impeachment process will keep his impulses in check.

It would be much easier on all of us if Pence had the balls to have the cabinet meet to discuss the 25th amendment. But, he would probably have to ask Donald for the key to the locker that contains his balls.

Again, we know this is very confusing for you since you seem to have a problem judging character.

 

[Conservative]

Your defeatist attitude is reaching comical levels. I am indeed concerned about healthcare because our current model makes no sense given its clear deficiencies and outcomes. The difference between our approaches is you provide no solutions while I look to ways to improve it.



Nope. Since I'm a tax payer, I would be contributing to my own healthcare. The difference is I would be paying to also insure those who don't have it and in the long run, make it cheaper to cover them than the current model.

Reality isn't a defeatist attitude, right now you are paying taxes without universal healthcare, what taxes will be required to pay for 330,000,000? you are indeed very naive. My age and experience are on display here. If you want universal healthcare implement in your own state of 10 million people vs 330,000,000 nationwide. The radical left loves people like you

 

[Conservative]

Speaking of rhetoric and results, how did Trump and Giuliani's rhetoric during the rally turn out? Do you think any of them are accountable for inciting the protestors, or is this a "no responsibility" argument from you?

Prove that Trump is responsible for the rioting? I am waiting, you buy rhetoric and ignore reality, Antifa was involved but that is ok as long as you can blame Trump

 

[Conservative]

Promoting insurrection is an impeachable offense. He is a significant threat to national security. History needs to have this recorded and, its hoped, the impeachment process will keep his impulses in check.

It would be much easier on all of us if Pence had the balls to have the cabinet meet to discuss the 25th amendment. But, he would probably have to ask Donald for the key to the locker that contains his balls.

Again, we know this is very confusing for you since you seem to have a problem judging character.

Where is the evidence of Trump's promotion of insurrection? What a bunch of bullshit from someone like you who has zero credibility. Trump leaves office in 12 days but that isn't good enough for you and the left, why? What has Trump done that has personally affected you?

Facial recognition programs tell you who is responsible for the rioting but this is just another opportunity to attack Trump. People like you have no idea what you are doing or promoting.

 

[jakiejakester]

What the **** is wrong with today's Democratic Party, such hatred and no way to unite the country as if they really cared

Democrats march toward another impeachment against Trump for deadly riot at Capitol

House Democrats were drafting new articles of impeachment against President Trump on Friday following a deadly riot at the Capitol two days earlier in a failed attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's presidential victory.

www.foxnews.com

Are you aware that if Trump is impeached twice and if the Senate has a simple majority (50 + Kamala) Trump can never run again for President? That makes it so worthwhile. It would be better for the GOP too as they would not have to navigate through Trump's BS. The GOP would have a better chance of winning in 2024 if Trump is barred but most importantly Trump will never be able to do what he did this week and the last 4 years. Did you see the December labor stats? -147K jobs due to Covid and that's due to Trump.

The country will unite much faster with Trump gone, period. Each day after Jan. 20 his influence will wane and America and the world will be a better place. I bet you think that the insurrection wasn't Trump's fault, right? Save your fingers if you're planning to bring up Antifa because even Fox news says they weren't.

 

[jakiejakester]

Antifa was involved but that is ok as long as you can blame Trump

NO! 100% not true and if you bothered to actually read any non-conspiracy theory website you would already know it.

There is no credible evidence that the crowd was infiltrated or led by antifa activists in disguise. Specific individuals held up online as antifa activists turned out to be Trump supporters.

 

[Luce]

What the **** is wrong with today's Democratic Party, such hatred and no way to unite the country as if they really cared

Democrats march toward another impeachment against Trump for deadly riot at Capitol

House Democrats were drafting new articles of impeachment against President Trump on Friday following a deadly riot at the Capitol two days earlier in a failed attempt to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's presidential victory.

www.foxnews.com

We have no urge to unite with traitors. So we'll just unite without your heroes.