[W:2047] President-Elect Joe Biden Hits 80 Million Votes In Year Of Record Turnout

[ElChupacabra]

Without cleaning up the voter rolls there is no assurance that illegal ballots weren't cast or double ballots weren't cast and only 120,000 were needed from those five states

This assumes fraud that has not been found.

Who performed those so called audits and do you know what a risk limiting audit is

At some point you'll have to realize that no answer outside of the one you want will suffice; that's been made pretty apparent by the reaction of Trump supporters thus far. Every refutation has led to those officials being labeled as "traitors", under the influence of the "Deep State", or "never Trumpers".

Management 101, without authority there is no responsibility and you have bought the liberal line easily diverting from your own state and local governments

Apparently Trump didn't take notes during Management 101 either, otherwise he would have never said this:

My opinion stands

Noted

Trump lost due to mail in ballots from people many of who probably didn't have a clue who was on the ballot.

I'll bet most people knew who was on the ballot, since the choices for president are clearly listed.

The state of the country? 74 million votes were cast for Trump and the state of the country isn't as bad as the media wants to portray it or your state, NY, or California wants to claim

Odd. One would think the US Capitol being stormed and vandalized by supporters of the losing candidate would be a pretty bad indicator of where a nation is politically. This is the kind of thing that happens in those countries Trump referred to as "s**tholes". As for 74 million votes for Trump, there were 81 million for the other candidate, and you will always have tens of millions voting for one or the other.

Been discussed over and over again but ignored by you, bankruptcies are failing forward and many weren't the responsibility of Trump

For a person who cites "personal responsibility" so often, you're sure quick to absolve Trump of just about every level of responsibility. How is he not responsible for the failures of his own business ventures when he's the sole owner of his company? This goes against your own criteria for CEO responsibility.

My reading comprehension is fine, your logic and common sense isn't. You voted for an empty suit ignoring the results generated from actual policies all because of Trump's personality

Then I'll ignore the questions you ask repeatedly because at least now I know you're being intentionally obtuse.

 

[jakiejakester]

Trump lost due to mail in ballots from people many of who probably didn't have a clue who was on the ballot. The state of the country? 74 million votes were cast for Trump and the state of the country isn't as bad as the media wants to portray it or your state, NY, or California wants to claim

My reading comprehension is fine, your logic and common sense isn't. You voted for an empty suit ignoring the results generated from actual policies all because of Trump's personality

What does that mean? Do you actually believe that people filled out their ballots without knowing who they voted for? Talk about cynical! This one statement from you is precisely who you are. Your glass is never half empty, it's just empty.

BTW - how would you know if your reading comprehension was good or bad? The reason so many people question it is because you constantly ask the same questions of us, which we've answered countless times and then you ask them again and say we never answered the questions.

 

[Conservative]

Except that's not really the premise though is it? If you claim the only way you can lose is if the election is fraudulent, how can an election possibly be fair? I've actually been pointing out the double standard Trump is using. He claimed fraudulent elections in 2016 and he gladly accepted those results, however in 2020 when the results didn't go in his favor, that's when there's a problem. More importantly, is the simple fact he's looking to invalidate the votes his opponent received rather than questioning all votes. The same goes for the GOP members who claim the election was fraudulent, but don't question the votes they received.


It's not a partisan comment at all. I've read through the entire transcript of the call, and there's nothing in it that supports the idea of Trump favoring an investigation over just simply getting the count he needed to win Georgia. It's interesting that Trump supporters praise him for being direct, but when his comments are taken at face value there's all of this spin to change the meaning of his directness. I'm not sure how else one is to interpret the following:



That request is pretty clear. Nothing in it implies an investigation; it's a simple request for the votes he needs to overcome the margin by which Trump lost.


If it was ok for Trump supporters in 2016, why is it a problem now?


It doesn't resonate with me because having participated in the process and hearing all of the conclusions from both Federal and state officials, I find it hard to believe there was fraud the Trump campaign has failed to prove.

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty that you continue to show? What is quite stunning is the results never match the rhetoric with liberals but that doesn't seem to matter. Same holds true with your loyalty to your state, why?

 

[Conservative]

This assumes fraud that has not been found.


At some point you'll have to realize that no answer outside of the one you want will suffice; that's been made pretty apparent by the reaction of Trump supporters thus far. Every refutation has led to those officials being labeled as "traitors", under the influence of the "Deep State", or "never Trumpers".


Apparently Trump didn't take notes during Management 101 either, otherwise he would have never said this:

Noted


I'll bet most people knew who was on the ballot, since the choices for president are clearly listed.


Odd. One would think the US Capitol being stormed and vandalized by supporters of the losing candidate would be a pretty bad indicator of where a nation is politically. This is the kind of thing that happens in those countries Trump referred to as "s**tholes". As for 74 million votes for Trump, there were 81 million for the other candidate, and you will always have tens of millions voting for one or the other.


For a person who cites "personal responsibility" so often, you're sure quick to absolve Trump of just about every level of responsibility. How is he not responsible for the failures of his own business ventures when he's the sole owner of his company? This goes against your own criteria for CEO responsibility.


Then I'll ignore the questions you ask repeatedly because at least now I know you're being intentionally obtuse.

Haven't ignored any questions, look in the mirror what is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty? storming the capital? Never have I supported radicals on either side but 74 million Americans are pissed off at the stealing of this election and regardless of what you want to believe there is no way in hell that 65 million mail in ballots didn't have a higher rejection rate than previous elections or even the same rejection rate which would have given Trump the victory. My problem remains with people like you who buy rhetoric and ignore results. It apparently is a lot easier buying rhetoric than actually researching results.

What I see from you is someone civics challenged and someone who has never taken Management 101. No one can ever have responsibility without authority. You are a liberal career politicians dream, easily indoctrinated into thinking solely with your heart

 

[Conservative]

What does that mean? Do you actually believe that people filled out their ballots without knowing who they voted for? Talk about cynical! This one statement from you is precisely who you are. Your glass is never half empty, it's just empty.

BTW - how would you know if your reading comprehension was good or bad? The reason so many people question it is because you constantly ask the same questions of us, which we've answered countless times and then you ask them again and say we never answered the questions.

Still waiting for what Trump has done that warrants this hatred you have for him. you are way too old to be this easily indoctrinated by the left

 

[ElChupacabra]

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty that you continue to show?

This is just a deflection on your part. Nothing I have stated has anything to do with Liberalism. I am specifically referring to the contents of the phone call Trump and Meadows made to Brad Raffensperger. I will take this deflection as your disinterest in discussing the actual request he made of the GA SoS.

What is quite stunning is the results never match the rhetoric with liberals but that doesn't seem to matter

Yet another deflection. I will take this as your inability to contest the comment I made about the content of that call.

Same holds true with your loyalty to your state, why?

This discussion has nothing to do with my state.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Haven't ignored any questions, look in the mirror what is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty?

Loyalty to an ideology is irrelevant to the question I asked regarding the request Trump made of Raffensperger.

storming the capital?

Yes, it was on the news. Some Trump supporters at the protest on 1/6/2021 decided to overwhelm police and break into the US Capitol, where they vandalized offices and made their way throughout the building stealing things. Five people died as well.

Never have I supported radicals on either side but 74 million Americans are pissed off at the stealing of this election and regardless of what you want to believe there is no way in hell that 65 million mail in ballots didn't have a higher rejection rate than previous elections or even the same rejection rate which would have given Trump the victory

Then I suppose you have no problem with others rioting based on their particular grievances either. As for the results, I do not need to believe anything since the results have already been certified by both GOP and Democrat run states concluding that there were no issues. The belief is actually on part of Trump supporters who believe his premise of only being able to lose if there was fraud. The problem with belief is it doesn't require evidence to support it, so regardless of what anyone says, Trump supporters will only accept a Trump victory and nothing else. Thus far, every legal measure afforded to the administration has failed; including the lawsuit presented to the Supreme Court.

My problem remains with people like you who buy rhetoric and ignore results. It apparently is a lot easier buying rhetoric than actually researching results.

I voted specifically on results and failed leadership.

What I see from you is someone civics challenged and someone who has never taken Management 101. No one can ever have responsibility without authority. You are a liberal career politicians dream, easily indoctrinated into thinking solely with your heart

More of your projection. Considering you are the one making excuses for Trump's business failures and going back on the very responsibility you defined belonging to a CEO, your "Management 101" is lacking. As president of his own company, Trump has the authority and responsibility for the results of his business ventures, yet just a few posts prior you claimed it wasn't his responsibility. So which one is it?

 

[Conservative]

This is just a deflection on your part. Nothing I have stated has anything to do with Liberalism. I am specifically referring to the contents of the phone call Trump and Meadows made to Brad Raffensperger. I will take this deflection as your disinterest in discussing the actual request he made of the GA SoS.


Yet another deflection. I will take this as your inability to contest the comment I made about the content of that call.


This discussion has nothing to do with my state.

At this point couldn't care less, nothing you say is going to change my mind as there is no justification whatsoever to have 65 million mail in ballots and ballots sent to every registered voter in the state without cleaning up the voter rolls. The bigger concern is why someone like you voted for Biden?

 

[ElChupacabra]

At this point couldn't care less, nothing you say is going to change my mind as there is no justification whatsoever to have 65 million mail in ballots and ballots sent to every registered voter in the state without cleaning up the voter rolls.

I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm exposing the weakness of your argument.

The bigger concern is why someone like you voted for Biden?

Concern for who? I have already explained why I voted for Biden several times already. If you cannot comprehend those reasons, then just leave it at that. Asking them repeatedly doesn't change my response.

 

[Conservative]

Loyalty to an ideology is irrelevant to the question I asked regarding the request Trump made of Raffensperger.


Yes, it was on the news. Some Trump supporters at the protest on 1/6/2021 decided to overwhelm police and break into the US Capitol, where they vandalized offices and made their way throughout the building stealing things. Five people died as well.


Then I suppose you have no problem with others rioting based on their particular grievances either. As for the results, I do not need to believe anything since the results have already been certified by both GOP and Democrat run states concluding that there were no issues. The belief is actually on part of Trump supporters who believe his premise of only being able to lose if there was fraud. The problem with belief is it doesn't require evidence to support it, so regardless of what anyone says, Trump supporters will only accept a Trump victory and nothing else. Thus far, every legal measure afforded to the administration has failed; including the lawsuit presented to the Supreme Court.


I voted specifically on results and failed leadership.


More of your projection. Considering you are the one making excuses for Trump's business failures and going back on the very responsibility you defined belonging to a CEO, your "Management 101" is lacking. As president of his own company, Trump has the authority and responsibility for the results of his business ventures, yet just a few posts prior you claimed it wasn't his responsibility. So which one is it?

How did Trump's supposed business failures impact you or your family or even the country? What exact results from those failures are in the verifiable results generated by Trump as President? As for the bankruptcies I have posted this many times.

https://www.abi.org/feed-item/examining-donald-trump’s-chapter-11-bankruptcies

In fact, it can often be said that a Chapter 11 bankruptcy is in the best interests of the business and in no way a reflection of a poorly run company. PolitiFact took a look at all four of Trump’s Chapter 11 bankruptcies and determined that they were a result of business struggles largely beyond the billionaire-turned-presidential-candidate’s control.

 

[Conservative]

Yes you have showing that results don't matter nearly as much as rhetoric. Is there ever going to come a time when you hold a liberal responsible for rhetoric that never generates the promised results?

 

[ElChupacabra]

How did Trump's supposed business failures impact you or your family or even the country?

How it impacted me or my family is irrelevant to the discussion. As for how it is relevant to the country, it is more relevant since it's indicative of his decision making process.

What exact results from those failures are in the verifiable results generated by Trump as President?

Verifiable? What happens under a president's term is attributed to them because:

As for the bankruptcies I have posted this many times.

https://www.abi.org/feed-item/examining-donald-trump’s-chapter-11-bankruptcies

Except it's not just about bankruptcies is it? It's about the decisions made that led to those bankruptcies. Trump went into the casino industry head first and bit off more than he could chew. He racked up loads of debt but profits were not enough to cover the repayments. In this context, the bankruptcies made sense, but they were preserving an already sinking ship.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yes you have showing that results don't matter nearly as much as rhetoric.

Incorrect, you are projecting. I wonder how the GOP feels about these Trump results which led to losing the presidency, and the Senate?

Is there ever going to come a time when you hold a liberal responsible for rhetoric that never generates the promised results?

Sure. I was pretty critical of Obama because some of the "hope and change" didn't materialize in the way he originally framed it.

 

[Conservative]

"ElChupacabra, post: 1073300603, member: 32739"]
How it impacted me or my family is irrelevant to the discussion. As for how it is relevant to the country, it is more relevant since it's indicative of his decision making process.

Didn't read the link did you nor did you answer the question, where is there evidence that his bankruptcies have hurt this country? where are the results?

Verifiable? What happens under a president's term is attributed to them because:

You can post this until Hell freezes over and it will never change management 101 that without authority there is no responsibility

Except it's not just about bankruptcies is it? It's about the decisions made that led to those bankruptcies. Trump went into the casino industry head first and bit off more than he could chew. He racked up loads of debt but profits were not enough to cover the repayments. In this context, the bankruptcies made sense, but they were preserving an already sinking ship.

Keep diverting from the results Trump generated AS PRESIDENT and focus on minutia

 

[Conservative]

Incorrect, you are projecting. I wonder how the GOP feels about these Trump results which led to losing the presidency, and the Senate?


Sure. I was pretty critical of Obama because some of the "hope and change" didn't materialize in the way he originally framed it.

When you give 65 million Americans the opportunity to mail in ballots and faced with the media indoctrination not surprising that those results are what you wanted, the problem now is results will always matter and Biden will be judged on his results even though you never judged Trump on the results his policies generated. You have been bought and paid for by a party that spends money that it doesn't have but does take from others, the 54% of income earners that actually pay FIT.

You continue to prove that you buy rhetoric, are civics challenged, and have never taken Management 101

 

[rahl]

And I posted a study showing that it would cost more, there isn't a gov't program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do and still you buy the rhetoric. Please stop this bullshit trying to convince people that you care about healthcare care as there is no advantage to anyone like you who apparently is so well off that you voted for Biden and his agenda which is going to cost more and then add Universal healthcare to the cost

Or is it that you expect someone else to pay for yours and your family healthcare?

I gave you not one, but two peer reviewed papers showing you UHC and single payer systems provide better care than we do, and is CHEAPER! Medicare, which is single payer, provides for better care and is cheaper than private healthcare.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Didn't read the link did you nor did you answer the question, where is there evidence that his bankruptcies have hurt this country? where are the results?

I did read the link, it's just not relevant to the discussion. You're shifting the discussion to how it impacted me directly which has nothing to do with the bankruptcies themselves since what I was addressing were the business decisions which took his businesses down that road.

You can post this until Hell freezes over and it will never change management 101 that without authority there is no responsibility

Then Trump doesn't understand this concept, since he made that comment to criticize Obama.

Keep diverting from the results Trump generated AS PRESIDENT and focus on minutia

Minutia?

 

[ElChupacabra]

When you give 65 million Americans the opportunity to mail in ballots and faced with the media indoctrination not surprising that those results are what you wanted, the problem now is results will always matter and Biden will be judged on his results even though you never judged Trump on the results his policies generated. You have been bought and paid for by a party that spends money that it doesn't have but does take from others, the 54% of income earners that actually pay FIT.

Every American has the choice of information source; there's no one who is forced to watch any one news source, yet here you are ranting about indoctrination. It really just boils down to continued ranting that more people voted for the candidate you didn't vote for.

You continue to prove that you buy rhetoric, are civics challenged, and have never taken Management 101

Yet I'm not the one repeating any candidate's rhetoric or failed fraud claims.

 

[Conservative]

I did read the link, it's just not relevant to the discussion. You're shifting the discussion to how it impacted me directly which has nothing to do with the bankruptcies themselves since what I was addressing were the business decisions which took his businesses down that road.


Then Trump doesn't understand this concept, since he made that comment to criticize Obama.


Minutia?

So the link isn't relative but the supposed failures prior to becoming President are? Where do those failures show up in the results that impacted the American people? You voted for an empty suit with 47 years of no meaningful results because Trump supposedly failed in business ventures? OMG, liberals love people like you who focuses on rhetoric and certainly not results

Trump's comments are irrelevant, his results are and you ignored them putting not only an empty suit in the WH but a radical a heartbeat away. What results do you expect now?

 

[Conservative]

Every American has the choice of information source; there's no one who is forced to watch any one news source, yet here you are ranting about indoctrination. It really just boils down to continued ranting that more people voted for the candidate you didn't vote for.


Yet I'm not the one repeating any candidate's rhetoric or failed fraud claims.

Are you really this naive? There is no way in hell that Biden got 81 million legal votes and nothing you say is going to change reality not that it even matters now. Biden will be in the WH, Harris will be in the wings when Biden fails and you will get the results you deserve.

 

[jakiejakester]

Haven't ignored any questions, look in the mirror what is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty? storming the capital? Never have I supported radicals on either side but 74 million Americans are pissed off at the stealing of this election

The biggest reason they're "pissed off" is because Trump and YOU never stopped promoting the lie that the election was rigged, fraudulent and stolen. You will never admit this because you're obsessed with conspiracy theories. People who refuse to admit that Biden legitimately won the election are those who are responsible for the insurrection. While you would not have participated in the attack on America you supported it and support it. Even with what happened you have not come to grips with the truth.

 

[jakiejakester]

Incorrect, you are projecting. I wonder how the GOP feels about these Trump results which led to losing the presidency, and the Senate?

You forgot that Trump also lost the House. In 4 years he lost the popular vote twice, the House, the Senate and the White House all before he caused the insurrection. Let's not forgot the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have died due to Covid, his incredibly botched response to the entire pandemic. The economy is a mess partially because of Trump's lack of response to Covid. All of these things that he botched and lied about led to the insurrection. Did you notice almost none of the terrorists who attacked the Capital were wearing a mask?

 

[jakiejakester]

You can post this until Hell freezes over and it will never change management 101 that without authority there is no responsibility

It's obvious to say you disagree with President Truman and every other President who follows this mantra except Trump...and you!

 

[jakiejakester]

Haven't ignored any questions, look in the mirror what is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty? storming the capital? Never have I supported radicals on either side but 74 million Americans are pissed off at the stealing of this election

You, perhaps are one who needs to reexamine your unwavering loyalty to Trump? Do you know what Teddy Roosevelt said?

“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.”

Perhaps you should read this quote and print it out and keep it near your computer the next time you're about to type about Liberal loyalty?

 

[Conservative]

The biggest reason they're "pissed off" is because Trump and YOU never stopped promoting the lie that the election was rigged, fraudulent and stolen. You will never admit this because you're obsessed with conspiracy theories. People who refuse to admit that Biden legitimately won the election are those who are responsible for the insurrection. While you would not have participated in the attack on America you supported it and support it. Even with what happened you have not come to grips with the truth.

You are too old to be this easily indoctrinated by the media and left

Biden will be President and you will no longer have Trump to focus on so now what? Too bad your focus was on hate and not results