No you don’t. If you did you wouldn’t make a student that is interesting in learning in a safe environment be forced to go to a dangerous inner city school because their caregivers can’t afford t move into a better district.
State run public education does not indoctrinate children and the only ones rambling on about such things are people who want to force religious dogma on everyone including their own children who can't object.
In our district (and I believe most/all districts in Missouri) teacher salaries are based on a salary schedule. The schedule looks something like this:
| Bachelor's Degree | Bachelor's Degree + 12 college hours | Bachelor's Degree + 24 college hours | |
| Year 1 | $30,000 | $30,700 | $31,400 |
| Year 2 | $30,700 | $31,400 | $32,100 |
| Year 3 | $31,400 | $32,100 | $32,800 |
I think you're confusing educated, openness, and tolerance with "far left".
Education is not heavily laden with liberal indoctrination. This is just false. Stop repeating what you've been indoctrinated by right wing media to believe.
So, in other words, you're trying to do what you falsely accuse others of doing.
I understand the point you're trying to make, but I want to highlight yet another problem with a two tiered educational system. You literally just said students with learning disabilities are not "normal". Think about the callous nature of your comment.
I literally teach for a living. Perhaps you should keep that in mind before telling me how I feel about a child's education.
And...I think we've just reached the heart of the issue. I wonder if you realize what I mean.
So the caregivers cannot afford to move to a better district, but they can afford thousands of dollars (after the voucher program) in tuition and the time/money it would take to send their child to the private school that does not offer busing?
This is exactly correct. It's all projection, as I showed earlier with AlbqOwl. It's not that they are against indoctrination, it is that they are FOR indoctrination and they don't like it when their preferred form of indoctrination is not forced on everyone.
That's not the point. The point is you're willing to prevent child A and B going to a better school because child C doesn't have parents that care about their child's education.
And in all those situations the students are the ones that suffer. My perception is completely different based on my experience in our district:
Like a lame RC car lol.
This is a lie. I've never said A and B can't go to a different school (and, again, I disagree strongly with "better")...I just said it shouldn't be on the taxpayers to pay for a private (oftentimes religious) education at a school that actively discriminates against students. Please stop with the strawman arguments.
If taxpayers are paying for A and B's private education at a school that refuses to accept C because C has a learning disability, then it is actively HURTING C's education. You are advocating for a system where A and B already have an economic advantage over C and you want the government to punish C in order to help A and B.
Which makes absolutely ZERO difference between a private school and public school, since the private school is going to have those exact same problems. I've known teachers who couldn't hack it at the public schools who got jobs at the private school. The idea that private school teachers are automatically better than public school teachers is laughable.
Your salary schedule is basically the same as what I presented. I'm not sure what you mean by "completely different". Could you explain?
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, since I did not provide my district's salary schedule, I just made up those numbers. It was the structure I was demonstrating.
Again, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Could you explain? No snark, genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say here.
Boy, do I agree. It's an absolutely terrible trend. Luckily, when too many public schools trend that way (and they are multiplying quickly), there will still be private schools where competition to get in and competition to compete once admitted, will be alive and well. I'm school choice's biggest fan for that exact reason. I want to not only see competition among students to properly identify our brightest students but I want tons of competition among schools to week out the worst and highlight the best schools.
I'll agree with that but I'd argue those who are supportive of vouchers tend to be the parents who care the most about their own child's education. Those parents who are dedicated to the education of their children, want the best educational opportunity they can find for their child. Choices, to them, are welcome.
Where did you get those numbers from?
No, it's true. I was literally friends with a boy in school who was kicked out of his private religious school (for behavior reasons). Private schools absolutely discriminate in who they take.
...we'll ignore administration for a second...do you have any idea what support staff do? Why they are important? Why there are more of them than there used to be? I'll give you a hint...a significant part of it goes back to the students with disabilities I mentioned earlier.
What state am I looking for? Also, I'm VERY curious who all is included in the "All Staff" category. I do appreciate the source but you do understand that support staff is often in classroom positions, correct? For example, one of our special education classrooms will have a certificated instructor and two or three aides who are there to assist in education. But those aides would not be included in the certificated teachers column (which I know for a fact the "Teachers" column represents because I cross checked it with DESE's website).
So...without knowing exactly who is included in "all staff", I do not believe your source supports your initial claim that "half the employees are in non classroom positions".
Nope. Straight public schools like the ones we're discussing. Here's a link to school enrollments in Missouri (I believe every public school will be on the list, but there will be some private schools who are not):
Missouri High School Sports and Activities
Missouri High School Sports and Activitieswww.mshsaa.org
Notice how many come in under 100 students in grades 9-12.
No, it is not. And that's coming directly from my father, who has taught in both public and private schools. Again, it depends entirely on the school itself.
No one wants to keep poor performing teachers. That doesn't make private schools special or unique.
Not based on the posts you've provided in this thread thus far.
No you haven't. You've provided empty rhetoric, false claims, and meaningless statements that apply to nearly all schools.
Because they are not. Because if they dealt with the same students public schools deal with, they would fare no better and likely much worse than the public schools. But because private schools discriminate in which students they allow to enter their school, they can create the myth that the school is somehow better.
It's easily the biggest one. Again, Johnny is doing no better in the private school than in the public school. But the private school doesn't have to take Johnny.
No one is saying parents cannot put their kids into private school, we're just saying they shouldn't get to use taxpayer money to do it.
Nah, that's just you twisting away from the full context of my comment. My comment was about the huge differences in something like math ability, even in children without diagnosed disabilities (those disabilities which add additional and sometimes significant learning challenges).
And the children of those parents are probably already doing just fine in school. Because, again, private schools do not have a magic wand they can wave.
Not exactly. Because students can apply to multiple schools with the mere push of a button, many of them are applying to more than 10 schools at a time. And many of them are applying to schools that they don't qualify for. This will naturally drive down the acceptance rates.
No, they directly address the core issues. The reason you don't want to reply to them is because you know you have no concrete evidence of the things you are saying and the empty rhetoric you're providing is either false or equal to both private and public schools.
The only thing that is important to me is your acknowledgement that the things you are saying are either false, leaving out context, or equal to both public and private schools.
No, I acknowledged I understood the point you were trying to make...but it doesn't change the fact you literally differentiated between "normal" students and students with learning disabilities.
I'm not trying to shame you, I do not believe you were trying to be hateful towards children with special needs. I'm trying to illustrate another side effect of a government promoted two tier educational system. "Normal" students use the government vouchers to go to private schools that will accept them while "not normal" students are prevented from doing the same.
That is a typical classroom in my district.
How is that child being punished?
And you brought up rural schools in Missouri. That's not really the schools we're talking about. It's the urban ones where they are stacking 30 people in a classroom. Private (and charter) schools tend to use smaller class sizes and to be more responsive to the individual kids' needs. One reason they tend to be better.
lol. You are being argumentative, and are now just switching to flinging poo. Take care.
How do you know?