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[W:#2026]School's out forever: Arizona moves "to kill public education" with new universal voucher law

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Last Friday, while the country reeled from the Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade, Arizona made history of a different sort. Legislators in the Grand Canyon State passed a universal school voucher bill that, once signed by Gov. Doug Ducey, will become the most wide-reaching school privatization plan in the country.

In his January State of the State address, Ducey called on Arizona lawmakers to send him bills that would "expand school choice any way we can," and the Republican-dominated legislature obliged, delivering last Friday's bill, which will open a preexisting program for Empowerment Scholarship Accounts (ESAs) up to the entire state. In practice, the law will now give parents who opt out of public schools a debit card for roughly $7,000 per child that can be used to pay for private school tuition, but also for much more: for religious schools, homeschool expenses, tutoring, online classes, education supplies and fees associated with "microschools"

"Every red state in the country should follow [Ducey's] lead," since the law "gives every family a right to exit any public school that fails to educate their children or reflect their values."

From Rhode Island, anti-CRT activist Nicole Solas, a fellow with the right-wing Independent Women's Forum, tweeted, "You know what happens when you abuse people? People leave you. Bye, public school."

"The Republican universal voucher system is designed to kill public education," tweeted former Arizona House Rep. Diego Rodriguez. "OUR nation's greatness is built on free Public schools. The GOP goal is to recreate segregation, expand the opportunity gap, and destroy the foundation of our democracy."

"I think it's a very serious mistake and the result will be that, within a decade, Arizona will have a very, very poorly educated adult population," added Carol Corbett Burris, executive director of the Network for Public Education. "Maybe that's the game."

"One of the things people never fully comprehend is how far privatization advocates want to take things," he said. "They want to get rid of all public funding for education. Eventually vouchers will die off too." What will remain, he argues, will be a self-funded primary education system, funded by a lending market much as colleges are. Or as Lewis says, a "system of haves and have-nots."

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At this point, every post I put in the breaking news section feels like I'm documenting the rise of Christian Nationalism. It seems like every day...a little piece of our society is stripped away. A little closer to their vision of theocratic fascism. On it's own...this is not a huge deal. But take in the context of current events this is just one more chip away.
 

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At this point, every post I put in the breaking news section feels like I'm documenting the rise of Christian Nationalism. It seems like every day...a little piece of our society is stripped away. A little closer to their vision of theocratic fascism.
The Tree of Freeberty must occasionally be watered with stupidity, religious extremism, and greed.
 

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Lmao. They realize education leads to questions. If they make it harder for everyone to attend, only their wealthy constituents will make informed decisions, and those unable to afford privately funded systems won't.

America is being turned into Mexico in the 1940s.
 

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At this point, every post I put in the breaking news section feels like I'm documenting the rise of Christian Nationalism. It seems like every day...a little piece of our society is stripped away. A little closer to their vision of theocratic fascism. On it's own...this is not a huge deal. But take in the context of current events this is just one more chip away.
We've never been a less Christian society than we are today. Giving parents the choice of where to send their kids to school is not fascism, not even a little. What's closer to fascism is trying to force a state-run public education on all children that feeds them a very specific message of indoctrination.
 

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Lmao. They realize education leads to questions. If they make it harder for everyone to attend, only their wealthy constituents will make informed decisions, and those unable to afford privately funded systems won't.

America is being turned into Mexico in the 1940s.
The only thing that's funny here is that public schools get out-performed by every single option out there.
 

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Gotta raise the next generation of AGW/racism/science/etc deniers, susceptible to theocratic indoctrination. Those keep GOP scum in power while said scum pandering specifically to upper crust white "christian" males.

"I think it's a very serious mistake and the result will be that, within a decade, Arizona will have a very, very poorly educated adult population," added Carol Corbett Burris, executive director of the Network for Public Education. "Maybe that's the game."

"One of the things people never fully comprehend is how far privatization advocates want to take things," he said. "They want to get rid of all public funding for education. Eventually vouchers will die off too." What will remain, he argues, will be a self-funded primary education system, funded by a lending market much as colleges are. Or as Lewis says, a "system of haves and have-nots."

Yup.
 

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We've never been a less Christian society than we are today. Giving parents the choice of where to send their kids to school is not fascism, not even a little. What's closer to fascism is trying to force a state-run public education on all children that feeds them a very specific message of indoctrination.
As opposed to the liberty of a religious school that feeds them a very different flavor of indoctrination.
 

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The only thing that's funny here is that public schools get out-performed by every single option out there.

If what you find funny was the only metric by which to judge public education, you'd have a point.

However, since you arent, and you think asymptomatic means not sick, regularly pitch QAnon nonsense and Trumpian garbage, I think they need more funding in general.

Does anyone other than Fishking have anything to say about Arizona not funding schools?
 

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the rise of Christian Nationalism.
There arent enough Christians in this country to take over the country. And there are less of them every year. You're scared for no reason.
 

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We've never been a less Christian society than we are today. Giving parents the choice of where to send their kids to school is not fascism, not even a little. What's closer to fascism is trying to force a state-run public education on all children that feeds them a very specific message of indoctrination.
^^^This.
 

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We've never been a less Christian society than we are today. Giving parents the choice of where to send their kids to school is not fascism, not even a little. What's closer to fascism is trying to force a state-run public education on all children that feeds them a very specific message of indoctrination.
I was homeschooled. I don't care if people are homeschooled. But it is very clear this is a concerted effort to defund public schools, and THAT I am strongly against.

The Christian Nationalists are NOT opposed to a one size fits all education. They only dislike the fact that the education isn't a theocratic curriculum.
 

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There arent enough Christians in this country to take over the country. And there are less of them every year. You're scared for no reason.
Since when in world history has a minority been unable to impose its will on the majority?
 

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Gotta raise the next generation of AGW/racism/science/etc deniers, susceptible to theocratic indoctrination. Those keep GOP scum in power while said scum pandering specifically to upper crust white "christian" males.
Theyre better than the criminal loving/natural women hating/cop hating/ pro censorship/ neo-luddite climate cultists who seek to turn the nation into a massive welfare nanny state with periodic blackouts due to non functioning energy grids because the sun doesnt shine and the wind doesnt blow.
 

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Last Friday, while the country reeled from the Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade, Arizona made history of a different sort. Legislators in the Grand Canyon State passed a universal school voucher bill that, once signed by Gov. Doug Ducey, will become the most wide-reaching school privatization plan in the country.

In his January State of the State address, Ducey called on Arizona lawmakers to send him bills that would "expand school choice any way we can," and the Republican-dominated legislature obliged, delivering last Friday's bill, which will open a preexisting program for Empowerment Scholarship Accounts (ESAs) up to the entire state. In practice, the law will now give parents who opt out of public schools a debit card for roughly $7,000 per child that can be used to pay for private school tuition, but also for much more: for religious schools, homeschool expenses, tutoring, online classes, education supplies and fees associated with "microschools"

"Every red state in the country should follow [Ducey's] lead," since the law "gives every family a right to exit any public school that fails to educate their children or reflect their values."

From Rhode Island, anti-CRT activist Nicole Solas, a fellow with the right-wing Independent Women's Forum, tweeted, "You know what happens when you abuse people? People leave you. Bye, public school."

"The Republican universal voucher system is designed to kill public education," tweeted former Arizona House Rep. Diego Rodriguez. "OUR nation's greatness is built on free Public schools. The GOP goal is to recreate segregation, expand the opportunity gap, and destroy the foundation of our democracy."

"I think it's a very serious mistake and the result will be that, within a decade, Arizona will have a very, very poorly educated adult population," added Carol Corbett Burris, executive director of the Network for Public Education. "Maybe that's the game."

"One of the things people never fully comprehend is how far privatization advocates want to take things," he said. "They want to get rid of all public funding for education. Eventually vouchers will die off too." What will remain, he argues, will be a self-funded primary education system, funded by a lending market much as colleges are. Or as Lewis says, a "system of haves and have-nots."

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At this point, every post I put in the breaking news section feels like I'm documenting the rise of Christian Nationalism.
Which is a good thing.
It seems like every day...a little piece of our society is stripped away.
You might want to be introspective about why this happened. You can’t tell the majority demographic to hate themselves and they deserve to be crushed underfoot forever without pushback
A little closer to their vision of theocratic fascism. On it's own...this is not a huge deal. But take in the context of current events this is just one more chip away.
There is no impending “theocratic fascism” which is a made up term that means nothing anyway. What you use that term to refer to is neither theocratic nor fascist
 

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We've never been a less Christian society than we are today. Giving parents the choice of where to send their kids to school is not fascism, not even a little. What's closer to fascism is trying to force a state-run public education on all children that feeds them a very specific message of indoctrination.


Public schools where religion isn't taught are indoctrination, people. If we become a more Christian country, with fewer public schools not mandated by religious doctrine, there won't be any indoctrination.


Libertarianism, folks.
 

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There arent enough Christians in this country to take over the country. And there are less of them every year. You're scared for no reason.
There is more then enough. All we really need is the leadership and organization.

There’s more dedicated Christians then ideological leftists, the large swatch of people who are dedicated to nothing will join the winning horse
 

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Funny how easy that is when you PICK the students..

In this speech MTG calls everyone who opposes Christian Nationalism a domestic terrorist.
Now you’re saying “christian nationalism”.

Most western countries were explicitly Christian. Before modern leftists came up with the term “Europe” what is now Europe was called Christendom
 
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