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[W:201] What Christianity Is Not About.

Mashmont said:
You make your decision to attend church based on the actions of a few fallible humans?
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Why not? Why can't those who believe come to god personally. Jesus never said we have to go to church or associate with those we don't like.
 
devildavid said:
Why not? Why can't those who believe come to god personally. Jesus never said we have to go to church or associate with those we don't like.
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Actually, we are called to worship as a community as well as in private.
 
Tlrmln said:
Nobody. This is a discussion.
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Yes. It's MY TOPIC - and, you're derailing it with your nonsense.

I already told you in the OP - no one is forcing you to accept. I repeated it again to you.
So - what is there to discuss between us?


You can't tell what an invitation looks like, and you say, I think I'm Christ!

What part of bye-bye Tirmin is so freakin' hard for you to get?
I tell you what - you have serious comprehension issues!






Tlrmln said:
If you're not interested in discussing it, once again, why are you here?
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What kind of an idiotic question is that? First of all - it's my thread. DOH?
The title says what the subject is about.

Second - why shouldn't I be here?


You're off-topic.
This thread isn't about why you should believe or not, or what you believe,
or why God doesn't invite you the way you want it to be, etc.,

You seem to want to insist on taking the topic to the way you want it - make it about yourself!
Talk about a bloated sense of entitlement!
You're cluttering this thread with your silly, juvenile, off-topic prattle.


WHY ARE YOU HERE?


This is a forum! A SERIOUS DISCUSSION.
We're not in a bar shooting the breeze!
Go find your peers!



Create your own thread.
Or, stay on-topic.
 
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mrjurrs said:
They are leaving organized religion.
"68% of Americans had a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in the church or organized religion in 1975. As recently as 1985, organized religion was the most revered institution among the list of institutions Gallup tracks. Confidence fell below the majority level for the first time in 2002, and with some fluctuations along the way, confidence this year has reached a new low of 36%."
news.gallup.com

Why Are Americans Losing Confidence in Organized Religion?

Declining confidence in organized religion likely reflects many factors, including clergy scandals and the religion-politics connection.
news.gallup.com news.gallup.com
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There. Just as I thought.
Look at the title of your source:

Why Are Americans Losing Confidence in Organized Religion?​


That's irrelevant to this thread. Read the OP again.




In closing, are you using a 2,300 year old book, written by men in an attempt to glorify their position, as a factual source? Come on.
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Totally irrelevant.
Read, and understand the OP.
Whether it's based on fact or not........................isn't the subject of this thread.


Create your own thread.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
I did, and clearly I was referring to the positive characteristics of his personality.


He was executed for sedition. The whole 'died for our sins' story is 'x' amount of illogical nonsense.
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Whether He was executed for sedition - whether you think it's nonsense - shouldn't take away from what Jesus Christ had done,
which had caused Him His life.

It should be taken from the position of the atheist in comparison with the position of Christ dying on the cross.
What is the motivation?


Jesus Christ' sacrifice for mankind - suffering and dying to save us - was indeed an unparalleled sacrifice.
Whether we believe or not, the fact remains that He did it for our sake.

Like I said -
atheists can be doing good deeds, and are in possession of positive characteristics - which isn't surprising, considering that we are all
made in the image of God - however, we can't put anyone exactly on the SAME LEVEL with Jesus Christ (unless we know of someone who willingly did something which he knew would result in suffering and painful death, just for the sole purpose of saving a stranger.)




Jesus had foreknowledge of what exactly will happen to Him (all the minute details of what He'll be going through) ........ and yet, despite experiencing anxiety over what's to come, He still went through with it.

He knew exactly how it will turn out. Everything that will be done to Him.
FOR WHAT?

That makes it a big difference.
 
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tosca1 said:
Whether He was executed for sedition - whether you think it's nonsense - shouldn't take away from what Jesus Christ had done,
which had caused Him His life.

It should be taken from the position of the atheist in comparison with the position of Christ dying on the cross.
What is the motivation?


Jesus Christ' sacrifice for mankind - suffering and dying to save us - was indeed an unparalleled sacrifice.
Whether we believe or not, the fact remains that He did it for our sake.

Like I said -
atheists can be doing good deeds, and are in possession of positive characteristics - which isn't surprising, considering that we are all
made in the image of God - however, we can't put anyone exactly on the SAME LEVEL with Jesus Christ (unless we know of someone who willingly did something which he knew would result in suffering and painful death, just for the sole purpose of saving a stranger.)




Jesus had foreknowledge of what exactly will happen to Him (all the minute details of what He'll be going through) ........ and yet, despite experiencing anxiety over what's to come, He still went through with it.

He knew exactly how it will turn out. Everything that will be done to Him.

That makes it a big difference.
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No. Jesus had no “foreknowledge.” The dude on the cross cried to daddy like a baby. “Father, why have you forsaken me?”
 
calamity said:
No. Jesus had no “foreknowledge.” The dude on the cross cried to daddy like a baby. “Father, why have you forsaken me?”
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That He cried that out, doesn't mean He has no foreknowledge.


This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1, one of many parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion.

It is difficult to understand in what sense Jesus was “forsaken” by God. It is certain that God approved His work. It is certain that Jesus was innocent. He had done nothing to forfeit the favor of God. As God’s own Son—holy, harmless, undefiled, and obedient—God still loved Him. In none of these senses could God have forsaken Him.

The prophet Isaiah says this about the Messiah: “Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed” (Isaiah 53:4–5). Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He was made a sin-offering, and He died in our place, on our account, that He might bring us near to God. It was this, doubtless, that intensified His sufferings and part of why Jesus said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” It was the manifestation of God’s hatred of sin, in some unexplained way, that Jesus experienced in that terrible hour. The suffering He endured was due to us, and it is that suffering by which we can be saved from eternal death.

In those awful moments, as evil men were allowed to do whatever they wanted to Jesus, our Lord expressed His feelings of abandonment. God placed the sins of the world on His Son, and Jesus for a time felt the desolation of being unconscious of His Father’s presence.
www.gotquestions.org

Why did Jesus say, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” | GotQuestions.org

Why did Jesus say, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Did God forsake Jesus? Why did Jesus feel forsaken and abandoned while He was on the cross?
www.gotquestions.org



The breaking of the bread and the red wine which Jesus metaphorically used at the last supper, also showed that He knew
what awaited Him.
 
Mashmont said:
Actually, we are called to worship as a community as well as in private.
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No, we are not. And we certainly aren't called to build churches and sit in them and watch someone else perform a ceremony once a week.
 
devildavid said:
No, we are not. And we certainly aren't called to build churches and sit in them and watch someone else perform a ceremony once a week.
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Oh, boy. Every time you post - your comment is always like hard nails on blackboard!



READ!

He said...."as a community as well as in private"


Matthew 18:20
For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.
 
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calamity said:
No. Jesus had no “foreknowledge.” The dude on the cross cried to daddy like a baby. “Father, why have you forsaken me?”
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That makes no difference at all. Anyone who puts their life on the line knows what could happen to them. Whether they know in detail is not significant as to the sacrifice made.
 
tosca1 said:
Oh, boy.

READ!

He said...."as a community as well as in private"
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What does a community mean? Go to a church building once a week? Watch a ceremony being performed? Belong to a specific parish? How many people constitute a community? Where exactly does jesus lay down all these rules?
 
devildavid said:
What does a community mean? Go to a church building once a week? Watch a ceremony being performed? Belong to a specific parish? How many people constitute a community? Where exactly does jesus lay down all these rules?
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Lol. Is that what you think community means?


Here: from Merriam.

a unified body of individuals: such as

a : the people with common interests living in a particular area broadly : the area itself




Now you know what community means. :)
You're welcome.
 
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