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I'm a single-payer proponent, but not a government provider proponent at all. I think the time may have come where the VA should allow vets to use private providers under VA insurance.Finally...Finally...........the Hampton Virginia VA has been busted for screwing veterans for years who have had traumatic brain injuries and other serious conditions.
My local VA has been busted for lying about doctors credentials and other investigations are finding this same problem throughout the country.
Veterans Affairs Caught Falsifying Doctors’ Certifications
Finally...Finally...........the Hampton Virginia VA has been busted for screwing veterans for years who have had traumatic brain injuries and other serious conditions.
My local VA has been busted for lying about doctors credentials and other investigations are finding this same problem throughout the country.
Veterans Affairs Caught Falsifying Doctors’ Certifications
I'm a single-payer proponent, but not a government provider proponent at all. I think the time may have come where the VA should allow vets to use private providers under VA insurance.
What says you?
Just to clarify:I think it's time for both of you to calm down and think about this for a moment.
First off, do you really think that the people at the VA are going to get together and agree to claim that this or that doctor was a specialist in a certain area, when they already knew that he was not a specialist in that area? Or is it more likely that the doctor himself claimed to have that specialty, and the VA failed to verify it? Don't get me wrong - the VA is and should be still responsible...but it's flat wrong to accuse the VA of lying or falsifying information. Why is it wrong? Because "lying" and "falsifying information" requires that they KNEW that what they were saying was false...and I see no indication anywhere that this is the case.
If you'll both check, doctors making false claims about credentials is not uncommon in the civilian community...and because it does happen often in the civilian community, it should be expected that some would try to pull the same crap when applying to work with the government. The government IS still responsible - they SHOULD have verified the doctors' credentials just as any health care organization should...but it appears they didn't, just as is the case with many civilian health care organizations nationwide - the HR department's so doggone busy and some clerk decides to save time by not digging a little further to see if the application by some doctor is as accurate as it seems.
I would caution both of you to remember that people are people, whether they work for the government or in the civilian world, and that before we make assumptions that they are telling lies and falsifying information, let's check first to see if maybe, just maybe they just skipped certain time-consuming elements of proper procedure and are getting (properly) burned for it.
One last thing - as I've posted before, the government-run health care that I and my family have...we're very happy with it indeed. It's saved my life, my wife's life, and my youngest son's life. Part of the reason why we're so happy with it is that when we go to the doctor, there's no quibbling over "well, let's see if that's covered by your insurance" or "that's a procedure we don't cover" or "we don't provide that kind of equipment". We get what we need...and the doctors are not hindered by questions over insurance or ability to pay for procedures. IMO this is how single-payer should work...because it allows us to get what we need, and to recover as quickly as we can, so that we can get back to work and our livelihoods as soon as we can.
I think it's time for both of you to calm down and think about this for a moment.
First off, do you really think that the people at the VA are going to get together and agree to claim that this or that doctor was a specialist in a certain area, when they already knew that he was not a specialist in that area? Or is it more likely that the doctor himself claimed to have that specialty, and the VA failed to verify it? Don't get me wrong - the VA is and should be still responsible...but it's flat wrong to accuse the VA of lying or falsifying information. Why is it wrong? Because "lying" and "falsifying information" requires that they KNEW that what they were saying was false...and I see no indication anywhere that this is the case.
If you'll both check, doctors making false claims about credentials is not uncommon in the civilian community...and because it does happen often in the civilian community, it should be expected that some would try to pull the same crap when applying to work with the government. The government IS still responsible - they SHOULD have verified the doctors' credentials just as any health care organization should...but it appears they didn't, just as is the case with many civilian health care organizations nationwide - the HR department's so doggone busy and some clerk decides to save time by not digging a little further to see if the application by some doctor is as accurate as it seems.
I would caution both of you to remember that people are people, whether they work for the government or in the civilian world, and that before we make assumptions that they are telling lies and falsifying information, let's check first to see if maybe, just maybe they just skipped certain time-consuming elements of proper procedure and are getting (properly) burned for it.
One last thing - as I've posted before, the government-run health care that I and my family have...we're very happy with it indeed. It's saved my life, my wife's life, and my youngest son's life. Part of the reason why we're so happy with it is that when we go to the doctor, there's no quibbling over "well, let's see if that's covered by your insurance" or "that's a procedure we don't cover" or "we don't provide that kind of equipment". We get what we need...and the doctors are not hindered by questions over insurance or ability to pay for procedures. IMO this is how single-payer should work...because it allows us to get what we need, and to recover as quickly as we can, so that we can get back to work and our livelihoods as soon as we can.
The government run VA sites boasted the certifications of many doctors, and now they are off the sites altogether Glen.
Just to clarify:
I am a proponent of single-payer/private provider healthcare for all (Medicare/MedicAid), but not a fan of single-payer/government-provider systems (VA/British Healthcare). I refer to only the latter as "government run healthcare", not the former. I indeed would be very happy to see a MediCare or MedicAid expansion for all.
So I hope there was no misunderstanding.
And I very much agree with getting private for-profit insurance companies out of healthcare.
But what I am trying to find-out, is whether vets would prefer to have VA insurance allow vets to receive treatment via private providers, rather than at the VA? It's my understanding this is already happening in some instances.
The VA started a plan a few years ago that allows vets greater than 35 miles from a facility to use private providers.I'm a single-payer proponent, but not a government provider proponent at all. I think the time may have come where the VA should allow vets to use private providers under VA insurance.
What says you?
Thanks for the reply.The VA started a plan a few years ago that allows vets greater than 35 miles from a facility to use private providers.
One of the biggest problems is that the VA is not now what it was formed to be. The VA was established to consolidate existing private and state services to veterans with service connected disabilities not covered under military retiree insurance. What they have become is simply unmanageable. The service is simply overwhelmed.
As a veteran rated with 80% disability, I have an opinion about the VA. I dont need the VA. I have 2 other forms of insurance. I use the VA services if fr no other reason than to stay connected to the VA because I never know what tomorrow is going to bring. I have an exceptional primary care provider at the VA as well as a private primary care provider. I only see my VA PC once a year for annual checkups and updates. Ive had surgery twice at the VA. Never again.Thanks for the reply.
The reason I'm asking this is:
Our country has perhaps the best private healthcare provider system in the world (if one can afford it or otherwise access it fully).
Vets, by nature of what they've done (served the country by putting themselves in harms way), undoubtedly deserve the best after-service care available.
So are they better served in a state-of-the-art private system, or in a government system specifically tailored to them and perhaps their unique circumstance and needs?
Mine is an open-ended question without preconception. I was hopping some vets would respond to this specifically.
Finally...Finally...........the Hampton Virginia VA has been busted for screwing veterans for years who have had traumatic brain injuries and other serious conditions.
My local VA has been busted for lying about doctors credentials and other investigations are finding this same problem throughout the country.
Veterans Affairs Caught Falsifying Doctors’ Certifications
Finally...Finally...........the Hampton Virginia VA has been busted for screwing veterans for years who have had traumatic brain injuries and other serious conditions.
My local VA has been busted for lying about doctors credentials and other investigations are finding this same problem throughout the country.
Veterans Affairs Caught Falsifying Doctors’ Certifications
This government mismanagement just gets worse and worse, and unfortunately it's our veterans, to whom we owe much, who have to take the brunt of it.
Can anyone, any administration, make this system work properly?
I will go with that so long as we take it all the way back to blaming the government for not insuring that we have set up a medical system that draws the citizens into wanting to be doctors. We have known for at least 20 years that we are headed to a bad place on this, just as the White House and Congress have known for at least three years that TSA was going wrong on having the staff level needed to get people on their planes ontime, they simply refused make any effort to head off the crisis. They also refused to tell the citizens that the crisis was gathering. The modus operandi in Washington now is to wait for the crisis to become full blown, start screaming about it, then start trying to fix the problem at least enough to get it off the crisis list....actually usually JUST enough to get it off the crisis list.
Indeed. Just barely off of crisis condition.
You do realize that congress siphoned off TSA budget and allocated it to other programs, right?
Yeah, more stupid pointless research into how a shrimp runs on a treadmill. :roll:
Just another example of how crooked the congress has become.
I'm a single-payer proponent, but not a government provider proponent at all. I think the time may have come where the VA should allow vets to use private providers under VA insurance.
What says you?
Like I said, it looks a heck of a lot more to me like the VA simply took the doctors' words for their qualifications instead of doing due diligence and verifying their backgrounds. I cannot see the higher-ups in the VA getting together and saying, "We know these doctors don't have these specialties, but let's claim that they do anyway." I can't see that happening.
I say the stupidity - the lack of verification - is a heck of a lot more likely than deliberate false claims that would meet the definition of a conspiracy.
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We're supposed to be one of the most advanced medical care system nations in the WORLD - and our military care is piss poor embarrassing. NO EXCUSES.
EXCUSES are exactly why it's such a **** mess!
OH ya that is what you are always told, but it has been clear from the evidence over at least the last 20 years that it is not the truth. If you did not know the truth then that is your fault.
We pay a ton for crap. We do this in our education system as well. We mostly do with with transit as well. Our systems tend to be inefficient and also produce a poor quality product. The American people have mostly been as OK with that as are the elite class who decide these sorts of things, where resources are put, and how the the systems work.
Thus the rise of Trump.
So we can't ask for better care and continuous improvements? VA or Civi . . . I'd like to know why YOU don't demand more from YOUR care providers.
Just because you're willing to accept sub-standard treatment doesn't mean I am.
How do you fix the VA with our big already and getting worse fast with no effort to fix the problem doctor shoertage.....when the VA is about the last place any doctor wants to work? I dont see the path, we have to fix the doctor shortage first, and that will require the medical system reforms that Obama should have done but so far has not ever admitted that he understood, or understand now. Going back to this now is going to be hard, it took over 20 years to get winning to consider reforms, we just did what was advertised as reforms (actually it was an exercise in making the problems worse jsyk), and we have a ton of other serious problems on our plate.
Obama either lying to us or not understanding his signature problem is a good candidate for being the biggest failure in is legacy, of which he has many. Others are
1) not attempting to fix the economy
2) not trying to fix the increasing social dysfunction of the nation
3) complete failure of his idiotic ME policy
4) complete failure of his idiotic Russia policy
5) Not getting ready for the China threat
6) not making any attempt to run good quality government, even as he fought hard to expand the government. as well as it powers...see the VA for illustration, but there are oh so many more! Best get a big drink before we get into all that.
7) making almost no effort to work with those who dont agree with him which is his constant mocking of those who don't agree with him for allegedly not being as smart as he is
8) being a world class prick.
Obstructionism not seen at this level since The Civil War has nothing to do with any of the above, right?
How do you fix the VA with our big already and getting worse fast with no effort to fix the problem doctor shoertage.....when the VA is about the last place any doctor wants to work? I dont see the path, we have to fix the doctor shortage first, and that will require the medical system reforms that Obama should have done but so far has not ever admitted that he understood, or understand now. Going back to this now is going to be hard, it took over 20 years to get winning to consider reforms, we just did what was advertised as reforms (actually it was an exercise in making the problems worse jsyk), and we have a ton of other serious problems on our plate.
Obama either lying to us or not understanding his signature problem is a good candidate for being the biggest failure in is legacy, of which he has many. Others are
1) not attempting to fix the economy
2) not trying to fix the increasing social dysfunction of the nation
3) complete failure of his idiotic ME policy
4) complete failure of his idiotic Russia policy
5) Not getting ready for the China threat
6) not making any attempt to run good quality government, even as he fought hard to expand the government. as well as it powers...see the VA for illustration, but there are oh so many more! Best get a big drink before we get into all that.
7) making almost no effort to work with those who dont agree with him which is his constant mocking of those who don't agree with him for allegedly not being as smart as he is
8) being a world class prick.
This really has nothing to do with Obama. who cares what he's said or done? He doesn't matter, here. VA problems have grown over the course of decades. Obama's just the current president. Meh.
Just because it's complicated doesn't mean it doesn't NEED to get done.
Washington being broken has a ton to do with this, but there is a lot more going on. Obama either did not believe in his platform of 08, or else he was too lazy to do the work. My money is on laziness. I dont let "but the work was so hard!" work when someone is giving me an excuse for not trying, for being a prick as they failed to do the work, and finally for claiming that they were great when they sucked.
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