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Vegas Shooter Report is In[W:96]

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He owned two light planes. Do you think he could have crashed one full of fuel and the explosives he had purchased into the crowd? Could he have rented a medium size truck and crashed it through crowd like the attacker in Nice did?

He can only fly one plane at a time. However, you make a rather irrelevant but valid point. He could've used a plane.

He didn't.
 
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But not in Brazil or Mexico. Not in Norway either...or Algiers...or Yemen...or ...

Brazil and Mexico???? You are just wrong on Norway. Now Algiers and Yemen are freaking hilarious!!!!
 
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He can only fly one plane at a time. However, you make a rather irrelevant but valid point. He could've used a plane.

He didn't.

It's not relevant if we're just looking at history. It's relevant if we're looking at solutions.
 
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Considering that he fired 1100 rounds I'd have to speculate that ALL OF THEM were gunshot wounds.
How about maybe half hit anyone and the rest hit pavement. Come on 1100 hundred rounds?58 killing and "around" 900 injured. What Audie Murphy with a bump stock? That is a very wild speculation.
 
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=Into the Night;1068877207]The...price???
Like it or not they all agreed.
The Constitution of the United States is a compact formed by the States (then called Colonies) themselves!
Yes! Which formed the federal govt. Allowing it very few rights(emphasis on few).Now it's a monstrosity.
 
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Works to reduce gun deaths. Happens in Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan....etc.
Only thing is we are not them. What we got works for us. And reducing "gun deaths"has nothing to do with suicide. Just heading you off there.
 
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Only thing is we are not them. What we got works for us. And reducing "gun deaths"has nothing to do with suicide. Just heading you off there.

Oh it works here too. States with strict gun control have the least per capita gun deaths
 
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He owned two light planes. Do you think he could have crashed one full of fuel and the explosives he had purchased into the crowd? Could he have rented a medium size truck and crashed it through crowd like the attacker in Nice did?
Very easy. Plus a 50 gallon barrel of ball bearings.
 
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The number of guns is a non-issue, as there will never be any gun control in the US that will reduce that number.



Not really. You have to account for the substitution effect. If our gun homicide rate is 35 times that of England and Wales, yet the overall homicide rate is only 4.5 times that of England/Wales, either there is some substitution or the citizens of England and Wales are freaking murderous.

I disagree, that is the "we have given up" approach. Whilst you need to be reasonable and rational in looking into this, firearms can be reduced in number in the United States through a number of policies, however it is the attitude of the people that must change first. The attitude is what is stopping the gun control in the US, not the number of firearms.

I am unsure as to where you are getting your facts from. The United Kingdom and Wales in 2016 had 791 homicides which breaks down to 1.2 per 100,000 people. Now using the same units of measurement to ensure an accurate depiction per 100,000 the US sits at 17,250 (13,000 less than firearm homicides) which is 5.35 per 100,000 people. So this doesn't display any data highlighting the UK and Wales being overly murderous, rather it depicts the United States rate to per 100,000 to be nearly 5 times the UK and Wales rate and the alarming number of firearm deaths per year.
 
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How about maybe half hit anyone and the rest hit pavement. Come on 1100 hundred rounds?58 killing and "around" 900 injured. What Audie Murphy with a bump stock? That is a very wild speculation.

This stuff doesn't happen in Australia, or Japan, or Canada, or the UK. These places all have small planes, medium sized trucks, and machetes.

You know why and so do I. I'd just get a kick out of hearing you say it.

I won't hold my breath. Ducks aren't stupid.
 
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So? Why are you cherry picking the UK?

So....I am pointing out quite a stark difference between the US and the UK that someone in another post was attempting to compare and draw similarities between. Thus I was simply putting forth a number of statistics relating to Britain and their crime rates to support my opinion and argument. It is called evidence and supporting your claim, far from cherry picking the UK.
 
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I disagree, that is the "we have given up" approach. Whilst you need to be reasonable and rational in looking into this, firearms can be reduced in number in the United States through a number of policies, however it is the attitude of the people that must change first. The attitude is what is stopping the gun control in the US, not the number of firearms.

How do you think that the number of firearms will be reduced in the US? Why do you think we have any interest in giving up that right to keep and bear arms?

I am unsure as to where you are getting your facts from. The United Kingdom and Wales in 2016 had 791 homicides which breaks down to 1.2 per 100,000 people. Now using the same units of measurement to ensure an accurate depiction per 100,000 the US sits at 17,250 (13,000 less than firearm homicides) which is 5.35 per 100,000 people. So this doesn't display any data highlighting the UK and Wales being overly murderous, rather it depicts the United States rate to per 100,000 to be nearly 5 times the UK and Wales rate and the alarming number of firearm deaths per year.

What is the gun homicide rate in England and Wales? It's about 1/10th of the total homicide rate, right? The gun homicide rate in the US is 70% of the total homicide rate. How can a disarmed populace in England and Wales have a non-firearm homicide rate ten times that of the gun homicide rate while in the US, that ratio is only about 1.3?
 
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So? We are talking about Europe, not the UK specifically. It's amazing to me how fast people can lost context around here.

The statistics on this point directly involved Wales and England. I am not sure if you know your geography but that is far from "Europe" as a whole.

You do like to knit pick individual responses...there is always one who has nothing nice or factual to say so they just knit pick.
 
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This stuff doesn't happen in Australia, or Japan, or Canada, or the UK. These places all have small planes, medium sized trucks, and machetes.

You know why and so do I. I'd just get a kick out of hearing you say it.

I won't hold my breath. Ducks aren't stupid.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Westminster_attack

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...55031558ff4_story.html?utm_term=.a881695477e0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/go...driver-charged-with-murder-most-victims-women

Yeah, those places don't have attacks with planes, knives and automobiles.
 
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The statistics on this point directly involved Wales and England. I am not sure if you know your geography but that is far from "Europe" as a whole.

You do like to knit pick individual responses...there is always one who has nothing nice or factual to say so they just knit pick.

Can't resist: "nitpick". ;)
 
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I knew you couldn't do it. Ducks are good judges of character.

With extremely poor arguing skills and reading comprehension. I gave you links to mass murders in the countries you referenced where the attacker used planes, trucks and knives.

Regardless, the capability exists in those countries for those kinds of attacks even now.
 
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There is no hyphen in analytics.

Read and learn
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_analytics

...or not. Your choice.

You missed his point. The hyphen wasn't randomly placed.

If no one had ever sneaked crates of guns into a hotel and opened fire on the crowd below, what data would there have been that an exercise in predictive analytics could have used to have predicted this attack?
 
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With extremely poor arguing skills and reading comprehension. I gave you links to mass murders in the countries you referenced where the attacker used planes, trucks and knives.

Regardless, the capability exists in those countries for those kinds of attacks even now.

Regulating guns in all the societies I mentioned was very effective in eliminating mass murders. Attacking the Duck doesn't enhance your point. It just makes you look like a Republican.

I'm not here to argue with you. You cannot change. I'm here to express my opinion, and I have. Your chances of changing/suppressing my learned opinion?

Zero. You are wasting your time. I would have had an open mind if you didn't attack me.
 
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Eliminating guns in all the societies I mentioned was very effective in eliminating mass murders. Attacking the Duck doesn't enhance your point. It just makes you look like a Republican.

I'm not here to argue with you. You cannot change. I'm here to express my opinion, and I have. Your chances of changing my learned opinion?

Zero. You are wasting your time. I would have had an open mind if you didn't attack me.

One, they didn't eliminate guns in all of those societies. Even Japan still has some, and if you want to suggest going back to Tokugawa days with the requisite loss of all civil rights as a basis for their current society as a method to have a similar one in the US, I'll have to disagree. The UK, Canada, Germany, Japan and Australia all still allow ownership of firearms that can be used in mass murders. Australia recently had one with a shotgun. Australia still allowes possession of handguns 9mm and smaller. Canada still allows possession of handguns 4" barrel and larger. The UK's last gun mass murder was committed with a .22 bolt action rifle and a double barrel shotgun.

Your basic premise, "Eliminating guns in all the societies I mentioned", is simply incorrect. They didn't do any such thing. They also didn't eliminate mass murders, either with firearms or by substitute methods using common, easily available objects, or those less rare by methods such as bombing.

Regardless, if the solution you propose is to eliminate guns in the US, you're tilting at windmills. None of the citizens in those other countries have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
 
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One, they didn't eliminate guns in all of those societies. Even Japan still has some, and if you want to suggest going back to Tokugawa days with the requisite loss of all civil rights as a basis for their current society as a method to have a similar one in the US, I'll have to disagree. The UK, Canada, Germany, Japan and Australia all still allow ownership of firearms that can be used in mass murders. Australia recently had one with a shotgun. Australia still allowes possession of handguns 9mm and smaller. Canada still allows possession of handguns 4" barrel and larger. The UK's last gun mass murder was committed with a .22 bolt action rifle and a double barrel shotgun.

Your basic premise, "Eliminating guns in all the societies I mentioned", is simply incorrect. They didn't do any such thing. They also didn't eliminate mass murders, either with firearms or by substitute methods using common, easily available objects, or those less rare by methods such as bombing.

Regardless, if the solution you propose is to eliminate guns in the US, you're tilting at windmills. None of the citizens in those other countries have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

I said regulating.
 
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We have far more intentional deaths than they do

but a lower intentional death rate than Finland, Japan or South Korea. Or Russia. All of those have those "strict" gun laws you want so badly.
 
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