DeeJayH
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well since it is supposed to be her body, her choice, it is her responsibility
How about all men who go on welfare have a vasectomy? Or are only the women to be subjected to a totalitarian form of government.
How about all men who go on welfare have a vasectomy? Or are only the women to be subjected to a totalitarian form of government.
The men those women had sex with are equally as responsible, if they had worn a condom, then even if the women forgot to take a pill the chances of pregnancy would have been far less, unless a man wants a child they should always wear a condom. You in both your posts clearly blame women for the pregnancy because they forgot to take a pill and not their partner who should have also been wearing a a condom, it came out sounding very misogynistic.
Maybe in your world people are perfect but in reality they aren't.
Are you advocating throwing people into the streets because they may not be perfect and forget to take a pill or their BC method may fail?
Well, just as a side note, there's a big difference between an irreversible surgical procedure and a day to day medication. And as DeeJayH pointed out, you can promote efforts to convince men not to have children as much as you want, but when the fact comes down to it, the final decision rests in the hand of the woman.
if they did, they probably would not be on the public dole in the first place, or atleast they would use it like it was intended. As a safety net to help them get back on their feetWhen you're living off the public dole, you'd better try a little harder IMO.
if they did, they probably would not be on the public dole in the first place, or atleast they would use it like it was intended. As a safety net to help them get back on their feet
no matter what system you set up, some of a population will always find a way to abuse the system and get something for nothing
No urine test is 100% accurate.
I sometimes take Allegra-D, which I have since found out can be turned into meth?! I could come up positive on a urine test by innocently taking a doctor prescribed medication.
This is an outrageous, impractical
How is it a prejudicial idea?and prejudicial idea.
A better idea would be to make them work for their welfare money...social services, day cares, general trash pickup, restoring neighborhoods...etc.
The idea of welfare is to get someone back on their feet,if they are doing community service it might be hard for them to get a real job.
actually it is reversible
Vasectomy Reversal - Questions and Answers on Reverse Vasectomies
but it is still a medical procedure compared to a tic tac
You did actually by hysterically blaming women for forgetting to take a pill when if a condom had been used as well as a BC pill, the likelihood of pregnancy would have been much less. Pregnancy prevention is not the sole responsibility of one person, it takes two.Of course it's everyone's responsibility, who ever said otherwise?
.No, I'm advocating forcing people to take responsibility for their own lives. Sorry you have a problem with that
That I agree with.During those 2-3 years, you are required to get an education or learn a trade, you are required to do some work and you are required to be responsible for yourself while on the welfare rolls.
A tic tac. You seriously call BC pill, a pill with potential life threatening side effects, a tic tac? Some of the side effects include blood clots, bone density loss, liver tumors, heart attacks, etcetc.. boy that's the kind of tic tac I want to eat every day. But of course I'm over 35 so I can't take it anyway, women over 35 should not take "tic tacs". It can kill them.
Yeah, I'd like to see how well men would do, taking that "tic tac".
I'd like to see how they'd feel about growing breasts and developing fatal blood clots in their legs.
So, so sickeningly cavalier about women's bodies.
Do you think synthetic hormones are something to play around with??
Do you understand how desperate women are to control their fertility, that they'd endure the risks and side effects of such a drug?
Do you understand that hormonal contraception is contraindicated for smokers, older women, women with pre-existing health conditions, women who take any sort of medication regularly?
Yeah. A tic tac. :?
You don't think we're human, really, do you?
I have no problem with womenYeah, I'd like to see how well men would do, taking that "tic tac".
I'd like to see how they'd feel about growing breasts and developing fatal blood clots in their legs.
So, so sickeningly cavalier about women's bodies.
Do you think synthetic hormones are something to play around with??
Do you understand how desperate women are to control their fertility, that they'd endure the risks and side effects of such a drug?
Do you understand that hormonal contraception is contraindicated for smokers, older women, women with pre-existing health conditions, women who take any sort of medication regularly?
Yeah. A tic tac. :?
You don't think we're human, really, do you?
and yet there are millions of abortions :roll: because protection is not 100%method effectiveness: is the Pearl index number for use under perfect conditions. The method effectiveness Pearl index for the Pill has been measured as low as 0.3 and as high as 1.25, which means that under ideal conditions, anywhere from 0.3 to 1.25 out of 100 users will become pregnant during one year of perfect use (Pearl index = 0.3 to 1.25).
Combined oral contraceptive pill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaDifferent studies have found different risks of side effects. Some sources have found that the majority (about 60%) of women report no side effects at all, and the vast majority of those who do, have only minor effects.[55] Other studies have found that up to half of women who try the pill discontinue due to side effects.[56]
long term female implants
MORE RANTINGS OF THE MILITANT FANATICS with no real substance
If you're referring to Norplant, it's off the market now, because it caused major clinical depression, heavy, uncontrollable bleeding, and ovarian cysts.
If you're referring to IUDs, they are typically medically contraindicated for women who have not had children, as the insertion process can result in severe pain and cervical lacerations.
In truth, I don't think you have a clue what you're babbling about, but that doesn't stop you.
Women will use whatever they feel like, thanks for the pep talk.
They would've, even without it.
I'm sure that they, in conjunction with their gynocologists, are in the best positions to decide which method of birth control, if any, is safest for them.
I doubt they need your help- nor DeeJayH's, nor the US government's- in making that call.
Why don't you and Deej go have a tic tac.
Oh really?
Implanon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maybe if you spent less time writing lengthy screeds about how anyone who disagreed with you was a moron and more time paying attention to the world around you, you would have a better idea of what you're talking about.
Pregnancy must be excluded before inserting IMPLANON™. IMPLANON™ should not be used in women who have the following conditions: known or suspected pregnancy, current or past history of thrombosis or thromboembolic disorders, hepatic tumors (benign or malignant) or active liver disease, undiagnosed abnormal genital bleeding, known or suspected carcinoma of the breast (or a personal history of breast cancer), or hypersensitivity to any of the components of IMPLANON™.
Serious consequences may be associated with the insertion and removal of IMPLANON™. Failure to insert IMPLANON™ properly may go unnoticed unless the implant is palpated immediately after insertion. Undetected failure to insert IMPLANON™ may lead to an unintended pregnancy. Deep insertions may lead to difficult or impossible removals, which may result in the need for a surgical procedure in an operating room in order to remove IMPLANON™. Any of the possible complications of surgery may occur. In postmarketing use there have been cases of failure to localize and remove the implant, probably due to deep insertion. Failure to remove IMPLANON™ may result in infertility, ectopic pregnancy, or inability to stop a drug-related adverse event. In clinical trials, 1.0% of patients had complications at implant insertion and 1.7% had complications at implant removal.
The use of hormonal contraceptives is associated with increased risks of several serious cardiovascular conditions including myocardial infarction, stroke, venous thromboembolism, deep venous thrombosis, retinal vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. IMPLANON™ should be removed in the event of a thrombosis. Consider removal of IMPLANON™ in the event of long-term immobilization due to surgery or illness. Cigarette smoking increases the risk of serious cardiovascular side effects from the use of hormonal contraceptives. Women who use hormonal contraceptives should be strongly advised not to smoke.
You know, I'm sure it irks you people to no end,
but my body is precious to me, and I would not risk any of this crap when D&C is safe, painless, effective, available, and not prohibitively expensive.
Because medical and non-invasive methods of abortion now exist, and because D&C requires heavy sedation or general anesthesia and has higher risks of complication, the procedure has been declining as a method of abortion. The World Health Organization recommends D&C as a method of abortion only when manual vacuum aspiration is unavailable. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, D&C only accounted for 2.4% of abortions in the United States in the year 2002, down from 23.4% in 1972.
My husband and I use condoms, and if we don't have any, sometimes we use nothing but withdrawal.
We've had no mishaps in over ten years, but should we have another mishap, I'd have no qualms about having another abortion.
I will not risk my health by allowing myself to be used as a lab rat.
Norplant was supposedly "safe" and look what happened. Now it's been pulled from the market, after screwing people up for fifteen years.
I don't see that Implanon is much different.
They're not even making much of a pretense about its safety.
Forget about it. I love myself, and so I don't put poisons in my body.
I don't take potent long-term drugs with unknown health effects.
Why should I, when I'm not sick?
I'd rather take a "tic tac":roll:
Implanon. Lovely. Another tic tac, presumably. An implantable tic tac.
Let's see here:
"There are notable side effects caused by Implanon that occur in some women. Irregular periods, headaches, acne, weight gain and abdominal pain were among the most commonly reported side effects in clinical trials.
Eleven percent of women had Implanon removed because of irregular menstrual bleeding, which can include excessive menstrual bleeding. Some women may have no menstrual period at all while using Implanon.
It is not known whether Implanon changes a woman's risk for breast cancer.
Failure rate for Implanon was reported at 0.1%. Most cases of failure were due to incorrect insertion or insertion during pregnancy. In comparison, surgical sterilization has a failure rate of 0.2%.
Undesireable effects that may occur include acne, headache, weight gain, breast tenderness, hair loss, mood changes, changes in libido, and abdominial pain. Vaginal bleeding may occur at irregular intervals during the use of Implanon. Some patients do not experience any bleeding at all. It is important to have regular medical check ups, because while irregular bleeding is a common side effect of Implanon, it may rarely be caused by other medical conditions."
Complications which can occur include:
* impalpability of implant
* broken or damaged implant
* slight migration
* fibrosis.
If Implanon is "impalpable"—cannot be felt—an ultrasound must be performed. Surgery under local or general anesthesia may be required to remove an impalpable Implanon implant, especially if it is broken, damaged, has migrated, or is deeply embedded in scar tissue or fibrosis.
In rare cases, the increase in hormone levels resulting from Implanon has been linked to various forms of mental illness including depression, mood disorders and psychosis. This is likely to be the result of deep insertion into the muscle, and associated damage to the implant. Users experiencing a sudden change in mood, personality or motivation should consult their doctor immediately.
(from your link).
You know, I'm sure it irks you people to no end, but my body is precious to me, and I would not risk any of this crap when D&C is safe, painless, effective, available, and not prohibitively expensive.
My husband and I use condoms, and if we don't have any, sometimes we use nothing but withdrawal.
We've had no mishaps in over ten years, but should we have another mishap, I'd have no qualms about having another abortion.
I will not risk my health by allowing myself to be used as a lab rat.
Norplant was supposedly "safe" and look what happened. Now it's been pulled from the market, after screwing people up for fifteen years.
I don't see that Implanon is much different.
They're not even making much of a pretense about its safety.
Forget about it. I love myself, and so I don't put poisons in my body.
I don't take potent long-term drugs with unknown health effects.
Why should I, when I'm not sick?
See that's why I say using your mind is simpler. Self-control. We're humans, animals don't control themselves but we are very capable. BC was this awesome "Yay, we can do anything anytime anywhere" miracle drug (<-- inspired by an actual commercial btw) but it comes with a price to say "No you shouldn't" ^_^ Be married and take it if you really must.
See that's why I say using your mind is simpler. Self-control. We're humans, animals don't control themselves but we are very capable. BC was this awesome "Yay, we can do anything anytime anywhere" miracle drug (<-- inspired by an actual commercial btw) but it comes with a price to say "No you shouldn't" ^_^ Be married and take it if you really must.
I know it hard to understand this welfare stuff. It is called taking care of children and the old. OK I know a couple 6 and 7 years old who live on welfare, and are able to eat because of it. I agree they should have to take drug tests and their baby sister should too. I know an old lady, who is in her 70s and she is diabetic. She would die without welfare, and medicaid, yet we should make her take drug tests too.Like a lot of folks in this nation, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I
pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck. I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butt. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.
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