Urine test for welfare applicants

[jamesfreedman]

Like a lot of folks in this nation, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I
pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck. I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butt. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.

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[WI Crippler]

If the government required that all employment in the US be subject to a urine test, then yes.

But it is up to private enterprises to decide whether they will urine test or not. Most larger corporations will, for job safety and employment reasons, but as far as I know its not government mandate for private business.

That being said, yes our welfare system is abused and needs fixing. I don't know that this is the solution in and of itself though...

 

[Doremus Jessup]

No. The infrastructure would need to be changed to provide a facility for administering the test, then the urine would need to be tested (i.e.: sent to another facility). The costs of these would only put more strain upon county budgets.

 

[jamesfreedman]

It would be more to eliminate tax dollars going towards paying for applicants to do drugs. They should support their own habits. Also we would save the money given out to people who were on drugs getting welfare which I would say more than half are...

 

[jamesrage]

Like a lot of folks in this nation, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I
pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck. I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butt. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.

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I think welfare recipients should pass a drug a test to get benefits that tax payers have to pay for.Because apparently if they have money to get high then they must not need tax payer funded assistance.

I think there should be some requirements/inconveniences to those who get welfare/foodstamps/section 8 housing.

1.mandatory birth control while on welfare/food stamps/section 8 housing.If they want their access card recharged, welfare and section 8 housing then make them come in for a birth control shot preferably once a month.( I know they make longer lasting birth control).This would inconvenience them because of the fact they would have to come in once a month,because if tax payers have to be inconvenienced so should they.Second this would ensure that they are not popping out any more kids than they can afford to take care of.

2.Drug test.Because while living off of tax payer dime they have no business smoking,drinking or taking illegal drugs.Because money for this stuff should be going for their kids and that time they are using to get drunk or high should be used for getting a job,properly raising the children and or educating themselves so they can get a better job.

 

[Cephus]

Absolutely. I think they should be required to not only pass a drug test, but have a pregnancy test as well. No additional benefits will be paid if you get pregnant after you're on welfare. You can't feed what you've got, there's no way in hell we're paying for more.

Welfare is so completely abused today and it needs to be seriously cleaned up.

 

[jamesfreedman]

RIGHT ON!!! I support that...

 

[Gibberish]

RIGHT ON!!! I support that...

:rofl Are you responding to someone's post or your own thread?

 

[Willow]

There is a problem obviously but getting ruthless and causing children or even adults to suffer which is what will happen is not the answer.
It would be more realistic to apply pressure in other ways to force people to see welfare as a temporary inconvenience then a lifestyle.
For instance they could make mandatory weekly classes on resume writing, job hunting etc. They could make it mandatory to finish high school , get a GED whatever. they could ask for proof that the person is searching for a job and require them to apply to so many a week.
We could provide better and more abundant childcare for low income working families. We could also require parenting classes for those on welfare.
Mandatory birth control is ridiculous as there is no birth control other then tubal ligation or a hysterectomy that is foolproof, not to mention the side effects of birth controls (blood clots etc). The government has no right to force anyone (except those who are legally insane) to take medications.
WI Crippler put it very well with his post.

If the government required that all employment in the US be subject to a urine test, then yes.

But it is up to private enterprises to decide whether they will urine test or not. Most larger corporations will, for job safety and employment reasons, but as far as I know its not government mandate for private business.

That being said, yes our welfare system is abused and needs fixing. I don't know that this is the solution in and of itself though...

I agree totally.

 

[jamesfreedman]

:rofl Are you responding to someone's post or your own thread?

Yes i thought the idea of pregnancy test would help ease welfare as well. I guess you thought i was agreeing with what i posted, that would be humorous yet idiotic...

 

[Gibberish]

Yes i thought the idea of pregnancy test would help ease welfare as well. I guess you thought i was agreeing with what i posted, that would be humorous yet idiotic...

Yes it would.

Back on topic, though what jamesrage proposed would be a good solution it is not financially realistic. I suspect it would cost more to run all the tests and manage all the recipients then it would to keep welfare as it is. That's only my assumption though.

 

[Southern Belle]

That sounds like a fair idea, and I agree about them getting pregnant too, they really shouldn't. However, one of the random things that happened and made me have sergery twice was that I got ovarian cysts.

One cyst exploded and no one knew what happened and I had to go to the ER and was dying, then after that my doctor put me on birth control to shrink and prevent cysts and my body reacted horribly to it, I was sick and in horrible stomache pain constantly and everyone was trying to figure out what was wrong, and it went away when the shot wore off, so I cannot in good conscious condone the idea of mandatory birth control shots. But getting pregnant should be discouraged and penalized.

Just wanted to mention that. All the other ideas are fair though. ^^

 

[jkille]

I would have no problem with this assuming we ran the numbers and were sure it would save us money. As good as it sounds, it might not be much of a benefit when you consider the cost of testing all those people. I believe that just because some one has drugs in their system doesn't mean they don't deserve some help if they have good intentions. But whether their intentions are noble or not, all they have to do is wait a month at the most to clean themselves out. Meaning if you really wanted it to be effective, you would also need to periodically test everyone that was on welfare.

 

[Gardener]

A urine testfor welfare recipients?

Wow. That glamorous job working for the government becomes even more glamorous.

 

[jamesrage]

Mandatory birth control is ridiculous as there is no birth control other then tubal ligation or a hysterectomy that is foolproof, not to mention the side effects of birth controls (blood clots etc). The government has no right to force anyone (except those who are legally insane) to take medications.
WI Crippler put it very well with his post.

I agree totally.

The government wouldn't be forcing anyone to take birth control ,the government would just be saying if you want hand out then you want birth control,if you don't want out then you don't want birth control.

 

[Southern Belle]

The government wouldn't be forcing anyone to take birth control ,the government would just be saying if you want hand out then you want birth control,if you don't want out then you don't want birth control.

And if it made someone feel like their insides were being torn apart...?

 

[jamesrage]

And if it made someone feel like their insides were being torn apart...?

I am sure there other methods of doctor administered control out there that can be used other than a shot.

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

Yes, yes, yes.

http://www.ohsinc.com/DRUG_TESTING_COST_DRUG_TEST_COST_HOME_PAGE.htm

http://http://www.craigmedical.com/Urine_adulteration_test.htm

http://http://www.testcountry.com/ProsandConsofDifferentDrugTestingMethods.html

Urine tests cost 50$ or less, and could easily weed out drug users if applied randomly to those considered a possibility as users (i.e. don't test the young children, etc.)

Although some might argue that welfare users are no more likely to be drugged than ordinary citizens in the first place- our taxes don't pay for non-welfare users, and that's what workplace drug tests are for.

 

[dragonslayer]

If the government required that all employment in the US be subject to a urine test, then yes.

But it is up to private enterprises to decide whether they will urine test or not. Most larger corporations will, for job safety and employment reasons, but as far as I know its not government mandate for private business.

That being said, yes our welfare system is abused and needs fixing. I don't know that this is the solution in and of itself though...

only if everyone has to pass a urine test. If they make Cheney and Bush take urine tests, then maybe.

 

[Captain America]

If you guys are concerned about welfare reform I encourage you to check into what Wisconsin did several years back that totally turned around their much abused welfare system. It was out of control when Tommy Thompson took the reigns. He met the problem head-on, got it under control, and then re-vamped the whole damn thing. It's been running smoothly ever since.

Of course, some people were not too pleased with it. A lot of them had to get a job. :roll:

The Good News About Welfare Reform: Wisconsin's Success Story

Breaking the welfare cycle - welfare reform in Wisconsin National Review - Find Articles

This link here even mentions drug testing for welfare mothers.

Online NewsHour: The struggle over welfare reform -- May 21, 1996

You guys should really look into Tommy Thompson. He was an excellent Governor. President Bush had him in his employ for a while but let him slip away. I'm not surprised that Thompson resigned from Bush Corp. a long time ago. As far as Republicans go, they are poles apart. I never really understood why Thompson took the job to begin with. You get fleas when you sleep with dogs. But the important thing is that he had the foresight to resign and shake the dust from his feet before getting tainted by the Whitehouse gang.

Dark Horse Tommy Thompson is a good guy from all I have seen thus far. Go Tommy!

 

[rivrrat]

If you guys are concerned about welfare reform I encourage you to check into what Wisconsin did several years back that totally turned around their much abused welfare system. It was out of control when Tommy Thompson took the reigns. He met the problem head-on, got it under control, and then re-vamped the whole damn thing. It's been running smoothly ever since.

Of course, some people were not too pleased with it. A lot of them had to get a job. :roll:

The Good News About Welfare Reform: Wisconsin's Success Story

Breaking the welfare cycle - welfare reform in Wisconsin National Review - Find Articles

This link here even mentions drug testing for welfare mothers.

Online NewsHour: The struggle over welfare reform -- May 21, 1996

You guys should really look into Tommy Thompson. He was an excellent Governor. President Bush had him in his employ for a while but let him slip away. I'm not surprised that Thompson resigned from Bush Corp. a long time ago. As far as Republicans go, they are poles apart. I never really understood why Thompson took the job to begin with. You get fleas when you sleep with dogs. But the important thing is that he had the foresight to resign and shake the dust from his feet before getting tainted by the Whitehouse gang.

Dark Horse Tommy Thompson is a good guy from all I have seen thus far. Go Tommy!

heh.. he proved what many of us knew all along. That most welfare recipients are freeloaders. I like him already.

 

[WI Crippler]

If you guys are concerned about welfare reform I encourage you to check into what Wisconsin did several years back that totally turned around their much abused welfare system. It was out of control when Tommy Thompson took the reigns. He met the problem head-on, got it under control, and then re-vamped the whole damn thing. It's been running smoothly ever since.

Of course, some people were not too pleased with it. A lot of them had to get a job. :roll:

The Good News About Welfare Reform: Wisconsin's Success Story

Breaking the welfare cycle - welfare reform in Wisconsin National Review - Find Articles

This link here even mentions drug testing for welfare mothers.

Online NewsHour: The struggle over welfare reform -- May 21, 1996

You guys should really look into Tommy Thompson. He was an excellent Governor. President Bush had him in his employ for a while but let him slip away. I'm not surprised that Thompson resigned from Bush Corp. a long time ago. As far as Republicans go, they are poles apart. I never really understood why Thompson took the job to begin with. You get fleas when you sleep with dogs. But the important thing is that he had the foresight to resign and shake the dust from his feet before getting tainted by the Whitehouse gang.

Dark Horse Tommy Thompson is a good guy from all I have seen thus far. Go Tommy!

I was too young to know or care about politics when Tommy Thompson was our Govenor here in the state. Wisconsin is a decidedly blue state most of the time, but he held office for a very long time here as a strong republican IIRC.
I would like to look into more of what he has to say and his stand before I jump on his very small bandwagon, but from what I have seen he was a well respected govenor for us. More so than that Jim Doyle douche we have in office now....
I think his appointment to the department of Health and Human services by Bush, was good for him initially, but I can't blame him for distancing himself from that administration....

 

[Cephus]

And if it made someone feel like their insides were being torn apart...?

There are forms of birth control that won't do that. Norplant comes to mind.

 

[Southern Belle]

There are forms of birth control that won't do that. Norplant comes to mind.

Oh okay then, because I wouldn't wish what happened to me on my worst enemy, it was that unbearable. BC is BAD, and you shouldn't even need medication for that when you have a brain anyway... It was embarassing that I had to use it because I needed it medically, not because I was bad or anything. >_<

 

[Willow]

There are forms of birth control that won't do that. Norplant comes to mind.

Norplant is no longer available in the US, not only because of it's horrible side effects but because it failed to prevent pregnancy.
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