Universities to Screw Adjunct Professors with Obamacare Loophole.

[Boo Radley]

That's bull. adjuncts as worth what the market will bear, that is what WORTH means. What you mean is that you feel that adjuncts are worth more than they are paid, which is a sentimentalist argument, not a rational one. Show some intellectual honesty for once.

No. That is not what worth means. That's merely a market place definition which often tell us more of who holds the advantage at the moment, and what value the service provides.

 

[Paschendale]

A private, for-profit company screwing over its employees and its customers? What a unique and unprecedented move!

 

[Guy Incognito]

A private, for-profit company screwing over its employees and its customers? What a unique and unprecedented move!

Worthless liberal arts majors thinking they are more valuable than they actually are? What a unique and unprecedented move!

 

[Paschendale]

Worthless liberal arts majors thinking they are more valuable than they actually are? What a unique and unprecedented move!

You mean doing all the clerical work that keeps all of those lofty companies running? Yeah, that's pretty worthless.

 

[Guy Incognito]

You mean doing all the clerical work that keeps all of those lofty companies running? Yeah, that's pretty worthless.

Clerical work keeps companies running the same way a spark plug keeps a Mercedes running.

Spark plugs, like liberal arts majors, are cheap and easily replaceable. It's ludicrous to think that it's the spark plug that's valuable.

 

[nota bene]

Clerical work keeps companies running the same way a spark plug keeps a Mercedes running.

Spark plugs, like liberal arts majors, are cheap and easily replaceable. It's ludicrous to think that it's the spark plug that's valuable.

You give philistines a bad name.

 

[Guy Incognito]

You give philistines a bad name.

You are irrational and emotional.

 

[nota bene]

You are irrational and emotional.

Because I disagree with you that liberal arts majors are "cheap and easily replaceable"?

Even your attempt to insult is unimaginative. Maybe you should take a liberal arts course or two and broaden your little horizons.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Universities have top professors in one tier. These guys get paid high salaries and are totally involved in their own research. They seldom have to teach undergraduate students. The professors who actually teach and do the grunt work of academe are paid low wages and have no guarantee of employment. These teachers are called the adjuncts and they now make up to 70% of a universities faculty.

When obamacare comes in these adjuncts are going to be screwed because they will all be cut to part time in order to avoid having to provide health insurance for them.

The university faculty is an aristocracy squatting atop a pyramid of serfs and spewing hypocrisy about equality.

Adjuncts don't normally qualify for benefits. Adjuncts aren't required to publish or perish. Adjuncts are not required to contribute some of their efforts to the local community. Normally all adjuncts do is teach. Obamacare has little to do with it. Most universities have to operate similar to businesses now, most departments must generate funds or have a bonafide need to exist or they likely face the chopping block. Research universities can continue to hold on while other colleges and universities struggle.

To drop the Obama's fault bomb into the fact that universities are using more adjuncts is like peeing in the ocean and claiming it makes the tide rise.

 

[LowDown]

Adjuncts don't normally qualify for benefits. Adjuncts aren't required to publish or perish. Adjuncts are not required to contribute some of their efforts to the local community. Normally all adjuncts do is teach. Obamacare has little to do with it. Most universities have to operate similar to businesses now, most departments must generate funds or have a bonafide need to exist or they likely face the chopping block. Research universities can continue to hold on while other colleges and universities struggle.

To drop the Obama's fault bomb into the fact that universities are using more adjuncts is like peeing in the ocean and claiming it makes the tide rise.

So, in this analogy, are the adjuncts the pee or the ocean?

I don't think you are getting the point here. Adjuncts will be cut to part time by the university to avoid penalties attached to full time employees. That's not very nice, and it's all Obamacare. The increase in part time employees is something that we are going to see all over the place, too, not just in universities.

And the fact remains that universities are some of the the most predatory employers around and yet their faculty hypocritically preaches against such business practice when employed by private companies.

 

[nota bene]

Many adjuncts are already part-timers and want to be because they don't want the obligations of "service" and "professional development."

http://www.aft.org/pdfs/highered/aa_partimefaculty0310.pdf

 

[Risky Thicket]

So, in this analogy, are the adjuncts the pee or the ocean?

I don't think you are getting the point here. Adjuncts will be cut to part time by the university to avoid penalties attached to full time employees. That's not very nice, and it's all Obamacare. The increase in part time employees is something that we are going to see all over the place, too, not just in universities.

And the fact remains that universities are some of the the most predatory employers around and yet their faculty hypocritically preaches against such business practice when employed by private companies.

Some are pee, some are ocean. My point is most adjuncts never had benefits to begin with. Some do teach almost a full load, but they are not in most cases considered full time faculty. Universities have been transitioning to adjuncts over full time or tenure track faculty for many years before Obamacare. That's fact.

 

[trfjr]

What minuscule value adjunct faculty has to offer is directly correlated to what they are compensated right now. They get crappy pay because that is exactly what they are worth.

and this is why we have people with a college degree as ignorant as some one without one according to your own admittion
only thing some one learns in college is how to be brainwashed into a liberal

 

[LowDown]

Some are pee, some are ocean. My point is most adjuncts never had benefits to begin with. Some do teach almost a full load, but they are not in most cases considered full time faculty. Universities have been transitioning to adjuncts over full time or tenure track faculty for many years before Obamacare. That's fact.

The point is that Obamacare will multiply their misery greatly. And not just them but many others besides.

 

[LowDown]

Many adjuncts are already part-timers and want to be because they don't want the obligations of "service" and "professional development."

http://www.aft.org/pdfs/highered/aa_partimefaculty0310.pdf

Some of them choose to go part time? Well, they won't have any choice at all now.

 

[nota bene]

Some of them choose to go part time? Well, they won't have any choice at all now.

I didn't say "some"; I said "many." And they never really had any choice anyway.

 

[Risky Thicket]

The point is that Obamacare will multiply their misery greatly. And not just them but many others besides.

Could be. But, most adjuncts have other jobs, full time jobs, often jobs with benefits.

 

[Guy Incognito]

and this is why we have people with a college degree as ignorant as some one without one according to your own admittion
only thing some one learns in college is how to be brainwashed into a liberal

What are you talking about? What are you alleging that I admitted?

 

[trfjr]

What are you talking about? What are you alleging that I admitted?

you admitted that Adjuncts teaching at colleges where crappy. there for if you have crappy teachers the results will be crappy students

 

[Guy Incognito]

you admitted that Adjuncts teaching at colleges where crappy. there for if you have crappy teachers the results will be crappy students

I'm not talking about adjuncts I have had experience with, I am talking about all adjuncts everywhere, particularly in the liberal arts. They have crappy value, therefore their pay is crappy. They are cheap and easily replaceable and are paid accordingly. This is how the free market works.

 

[Boo Radley]

I'm not talking about adjuncts I have had experience with, I am talking about all adjuncts everywhere, particularly in the liberal arts. They have crappy value, therefore their pay is crappy. They are cheap and easily replaceable and are paid accordingly. This is how the free market works.

By what standard are you measuring value?

 

[Boo Radley]

The point is that Obamacare will multiply their misery greatly. And not just them but many others besides.

How so? As I noted earlier, they will now have to ahve benefits, and this will likely lead to more full time employees and less adjuncts. So, where's the down side for the adjunct?

 

[ttwtt78640]

By what standard are you measuring value?

His post contains that measure; their replacement cost. That is the normal "free market value" of labor, what your employer is required to offer in order to get a suitable replacement for your labor.

 

[LowDown]

How so? As I noted earlier, they will now have to ahve benefits, and this will likely lead to more full time employees and less adjuncts. So, where's the down side for the adjunct?

My understanding is that if they work less than 20 hours a week benefits are not required.

 

[LowDown]

I'm not talking about adjuncts I have had experience with, I am talking about all adjuncts everywhere, particularly in the liberal arts. They have crappy value, therefore their pay is crappy. They are cheap and easily replaceable and are paid accordingly. This is how the free market works.

And yet they are good enough to teach our kids and grade their papers, even in universities where tuition is >$40,000 a year.