Unbeleveble in California or elsewhere.

[Zinc Route]

:roll: Now it appears that some are in a bit of a consensus on the topic of Same Sex marriage - that being that if it has no immediate bad effects AND it doesn't cause THEM as individuals a problem Then What the Hell ?? Why Not (?) On the surface this seems plausible IF one believes that the Darker side of Human Nature will never take hold and things will not accelerate.

***** My point on the other thread was that it will. That it isn't about Rights but about inevitability.That these newly discovered Rights will be expanded upon by oportunists who will have a vested interest in keeping tensions running high and who will cater to some who have only one real focus. This unfortunately is Human Nature and Same Sex Marriage being forced upon the larger society by well under 10% of the populace is a vehicle whose dynamics can create an absolute disembowling crisis for the Overall Nation .

***** We as a Nation progress and we should from an historical perspective know that how we see things know differs from how others in the past must have viewed them - both positive & negative. We therefore should analyze things not only in terms of rectifying past mistakes and injustice but at least consider that any new proposed change just might not bode well overall and possibly unleash divisions that no one forsaw.


***** Progressive's will scoff at this pointing to Europe and Canada as having adjusted nicely on this subject - BUT the Real battle is here in the USA and those wanting Same Sex Marriage like it's some Emancipation Proclamation or UN Declaration of Human Rights should possibly ask themselves what Harry Truman , or FDR or Eleanor Roosevelt or Frances Perkins or Lincoln or Frederick Douglas or Booker T.Washington , or WEB Dubois, or even MLK would have thought IF alive today.??

***** I know this will be uncomfortable for some but after all being that all that see and call for is social progress - well it should be an easy call. It should be at least considered on the basis of ethics and a genuine long term feeling for the society.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

:roll: Now it appears that some are in a bit of a consensus on the topic of Same Sex marriage - that being that if it has no immediate bad effects AND it doesn't cause THEM as individuals a problem Then What the Hell ?? Why Not (?) On the surface this seems plausible IF one believes that the Darker side of Human Nature will never take hold and things will not accelerate.

***** My point on the other thread was that it will. That it isn't about Rights but about inevitability.That these newly discovered Rights will be expanded upon by oportunists who will have a vested interest in keeping tensions running high and who will cater to some who have only one real focus. This unfortunately is Human Nature and Same Sex Marriage being forced upon the larger society by well under 10% of the populace is a vehicle whose dynamics can create an absolute disembowling crisis for the Overall Nation .

***** We as a Nation progress and we should from an historical perspective know that how we see things know differs from how others in the past must have viewed them - both positive & negative. We therefore should analyze things not only in terms of rectifying past mistakes and injustice but at least consider that any new proposed change just might not bode well overall and possibly unleash divisions that no one forsaw.


***** Progressive's will scoff at this pointing to Europe and Canada as having adjusted nicely on this subject - BUT the Real battle is here in the USA and those wanting Same Sex Marriage like it's some Emancipation Proclamation or UN Declaration of Human Rights should possibly ask themselves what Harry Truman , or FDR or Eleanor Roosevelt or Frances Perkins or Lincoln or Frederick Douglas or Booker T.Washington , or WEB Dubois, or even MLK would have thought IF alive today.??

***** I know this will be uncomfortable for some but after all being that all that see and call for is social progress - well it should be an easy call. It should be at least considered on the basis of ethics and a genuine long term feeling for the society.

I placed in bold the one statement that seems discussable. Please demonstrate how it causes ANY individual, harm, and by harm, I do not mean something based on one's belief system. That is not caused by any gay person getting married.

 

[obvious Child]

This unfortunately is Human Nature and Same Sex Marriage being forced upon the larger society by well under 10% of the populace is a vehicle whose dynamics can create an absolute disembowling crisis for the Overall Nation

Care to tell me how allowing non-land owning whites to get married caused an absolute disembowling crisis for the overall nation?

Where was the disembowling crisis for the overall nation when interracial marriages were legalized?

Kthxbye.

 

[Zinc Route]

***** I NEVER claimed it caused a given individual any harm ONLY that it was inevitable it would further antagonize things and cause Religous stife possibly - something this Nation has basically avoided.

****** Go back into all my postings and see where my predictions were focused on an individual problem. To me it becomes an issue when some try to certainly expand things - as they will.

 

[Zinc Route]

Care to tell me how allowing non-land owning whites to get married caused an absolute disembowling crisis for the overall nation?

Where was the disembowling crisis for the overall nation when interracial marriages were legalized?

Kthxbye.

***** Not a Good comparison and YOU know it - so how about quitting the BS.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

***** I NEVER claimed it caused a given individual any harm ONLY that it was inevitable it would further antagonize things and cause Religous stife possibly - something this Nation has basically avoided.

****** Go back into all my postings and see where my predictions were focused on an individual problem. To me it becomes an issue when some try to certainly expand things - as they will.

I can see this thread heading towards the Conspiracy Theory Forum if you continue this route. Unless you can come up with evidence that anything you say about what COULD happen has any basis in reality, I'd advise you to go a different route with this thread. Yes, consider that an official directive.

 

[Hoplite]

:roll: Now it appears that some are in a bit of a consensus on the topic of Same Sex marriage - that being that if it has no immediate bad effects AND it doesn't cause THEM as individuals a problem Then What the Hell ?? Why Not (?) On the surface this seems plausible IF one believes that the Darker side of Human Nature will never take hold and things will not accelerate.

This oughta be good

***** My point on the other thread was that it will. That it isn't about Rights but about inevitability.That these newly discovered Rights will be expanded upon by oportunists who will have a vested interest in keeping tensions running high and who will cater to some who have only one real focus. This unfortunately is Human Nature and Same Sex Marriage being forced upon the larger society by well under 10% of the populace is a vehicle whose dynamics can create an absolute disembowling crisis for the Overall Nation .

Paranoia and slippery-slope vagueness, wonderful.

***** We as a Nation progress and we should from an historical perspective know that how we see things know differs from how others in the past must have viewed them - both positive & negative. We therefore should analyze things not only in terms of rectifying past mistakes and injustice but at least consider that any new proposed change just might not bode well overall and possibly unleash divisions that no one forsaw.

Ok, so lets never do ANYTHING EVER because they could unleash divisions that no one foresaw.

Same sex marriage has been legalized in dozens of different countries with no ill-effects, there's no evidence to support that anything different will happen here.

***** Progressive's will scoff at this pointing to Europe and Canada as having adjusted nicely on this subject - BUT the Real battle is here in the USA and those wanting Same Sex Marriage like it's some Emancipation Proclamation or UN Declaration of Human Rights should possibly ask themselves what Harry Truman , or FDR or Eleanor Roosevelt or Frances Perkins or Lincoln or Frederick Douglas or Booker T.Washington , or WEB Dubois, or even MLK would have thought IF alive today.??

Question, who CARES? WWJD questions are about the dumbest thing I can think of to bring to bear in an argument because the people in question do not have a modern outlook nor were they accustomed to even a fraction of what we are as modern people.

***** I know this will be uncomfortable for some

Yeah, paranoid ranting stings but you get used to hearing it after a while.

but after all being that all that see and call for is social progress - well it should be an easy call. It should be at least considered on the basis of ethics and a genuine long term feeling for the society.

Proof or GTFO

 

[Deuce]

:lamo

Disembowelment...

"I know nothing at all of interest has happened anywhere in Europe or even the American states that already legalized SSM but seriously this will end life as we know it!"

 

[Zinc Route]

***** I've essentially made predictions. The others do scoff - so , Okay - How about a brief list of names (not only the posting names here) but of substantial Public officials who will say it will NEVER occur .


***** Is this specific enough ??

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

***** I've essentially made predictions. The others do scoff - so , Okay - How about a brief list of names (not only the posting names here) but of substantial Public officials who will say it will NEVER occur .


***** Is this specific enough ??

When you make predictions, one is required to post something that shows those predictions to, at the least, be somewhat valid. You have not done this. Cease this line.

 

[Zinc Route]

******* You developing Amnesia or is this subject so vital to you that it's all that matters. I've specified the December 1989 attack on St.Patricks Cathedral in NYC more than once . In fact I understated it. Over 5,000 protesters were there that day because of the Archdiocese not going along with what the Militants thought important . A good 200 got inside obviously dressed better than the looney crew outside and 122 were eventually arrested.

****** It's on Wikipedia actually.


******* Post Prop 8 in California there were a string of protests against the LDS Church and individuals. Two LDS Temples were in fact endangered by large crowds outside to the extent that calls went out for MEN from the area to arrive to bolster the numbers inside the lobby and immediate grounds.

****** Websites exist listing names of those who contributed to Prop 8 - one is labeled "Bigots of El Cajon" Other individuals have received harrasing calls and minor Vandalisms have taken place. Few makes it onto local news but some Skinhead types spraypainting a Synagogue or a property owned by Blacks is portrayed like it's Brown Shirt time.

***** In actuality - a few Pro 8 people in direct contact with Gay protesters are labeled as equal opportunity haters by the MSM.

**** Various Black Church's in 2008 also supported Prop 8 but were never picketed or hassled BECAUSE the slimy Bastard Homosexual activists are afraid to go there knowing it might lead up to a Grade A ass kicking by local residents. I suspect you know this already.

 

[Zinc Route]

******* You developing Amnesia or is this subject so vital to you that it's all that matters. I've specified the December 1989 attack on St.Patricks Cathedral in NYC more than once . In fact I understated it. Over 5,000 protesters were there that day because of the Archdiocese not going along with what the Militants thought important . A good 200 got inside obviously dressed better than the looney crew outside and 122 were eventually arrested.

****** It's on Wikipedia actually.


******* Post Prop 8 in California there were a string of protests against the LDS Church and individuals. Two LDS Temples were in fact endangered by large crowds outside to the extent that calls went out for MEN from the area to arrive to bolster the numbers inside the lobby and immediate grounds.

****** Websites exist listing names of those who contributed to Prop 8 - one is labeled "Bigots of El Cajon" Other individuals have received harrasing calls and minor Vandalisms have taken place. Few makes it onto local news but some Skinhead types spraypainting a Synagogue or a property owned by Blacks is portrayed like it's Brown Shirt time.

***** In actuality - a few Pro 8 people in direct contact with Gay protesters are labeled as equal opportunity haters by the MSM.

**** Various Black Church's in 2008 also supported Prop 8 but were never picketed or hassled BECAUSE the slimy Bastard Homosexual activists are afraid to go there knowing it might lead up to a Grade A ass kicking by local residents. I suspect you know this already.

>>>>>>> Notice how the Beautiful Enlightened types Shy away from this specific event.

 

[Tucker Case]

******* You developing Amnesia or is this subject so vital to you that it's all that matters. I've specified the December 1989 attack on St.Patricks Cathedral in NYC more than once . In fact I understated it. Over 5,000 protesters were there that day because of the Archdiocese not going along with what the Militants thought important . A good 200 got inside obviously dressed better than the looney crew outside and 122 were eventually arrested.

****** It's on Wikipedia actually.


******* Post Prop 8 in California there were a string of protests against the LDS Church and individuals. Two LDS Temples were in fact endangered by large crowds outside to the extent that calls went out for MEN from the area to arrive to bolster the numbers inside the lobby and immediate grounds.

****** Websites exist listing names of those who contributed to Prop 8 - one is labeled "Bigots of El Cajon" Other individuals have received harrasing calls and minor Vandalisms have taken place. Few makes it onto local news but some Skinhead types spraypainting a Synagogue or a property owned by Blacks is portrayed like it's Brown Shirt time.

***** In actuality - a few Pro 8 people in direct contact with Gay protesters are labeled as equal opportunity haters by the MSM.

**** Various Black Church's in 2008 also supported Prop 8 but were never picketed or hassled BECAUSE the slimy Bastard Homosexual activists are afraid to go there knowing it might lead up to a Grade A ass kicking by local residents. I suspect you know this already.

From your evidence, I conclude that legalizing gay marriage cannot harm anyone, but opposing the legalization of gay marriage can be harmful.


Thus, I move that the opposition to the legalization of gay marriage should be made illegal for safety purposes and to prevent further harm on society this opposition has caused.

 

[Zinc Route]

****** I believe he just admitted that Civil Unrest is a Real possibility.

 

[Tucker Case]

****** I believe he just admitted that Civil Unrest is a Real possibility.

Unless we ban opposition to gay marriage immediately, it is assured. Worry not, we'll nip this in the bud.

 

[Zinc Route]

Unless we ban opposition to gay marriage immediately, it is assured. Worry not, we'll nip this in the bud.

***** NO - I don't think so. There are more decent folk with Real Solid values out there than YOU might imagine. A lot of them are LDS too.

 

[Tucker Case]

***** NO - I don't think so. There are more decent folk with Real Solid values out there than YOU might imagine. A lot of them are LDS too.

Then for their own safety, we MUST ban opposition to gay marriage. Look at all the problems it has caused these poor people.

 

[Deuce]

Then for their own safety, we MUST ban opposition to gay marriage. Look at all the problems it has caused these poor people.

This is clearly what we must do. The violence will stop when gays can get married, so we must ensure that happens as quickly as possible.

Zinc - Why do you want the church to be attacked? If we don't legalize SSM more churches will be attacked!

:rofl

 

[Zinc Route]

This is clearly what we must do. The violence will stop when gays can get married, so we must ensure that happens as quickly as possible.

Zinc - Why do you want the church to be attacked? If we don't legalize SSM more churches will be attacked!

:rofl

***** Notice how the Enlightened ones shy away from the st.Patricks incident They engage in parody & buffonery but cannot dispute those events 20 years ago. While that event was an admitted aberration it probably is a harbinger of what might well come BECAUSE once Gays have the necessary paperwork and KNOW it's not going to be overuled EVER - then some Church's will very nicely begin to perform Same Sex Ceremonies and THEN the activists will look around at those who have not come aboard the new Order.

 

[Tucker Case]

***** Notice how the Enlightened ones shy away from the st.Patricks incident

I blame the Irish for that.

 

[Hoplite]

I blame the Irish for that.

EVERYBODY blames us for that

 

[Jerry]

:roll: Now it appears that some are in a bit of a consensus on the topic of Same Sex marriage - that being that if it has no immediate bad effects AND it doesn't cause THEM as individuals a problem Then What the Hell ?? Why Not (?) On the surface this seems plausible IF one believes that the Darker side of Human Nature will never take hold and things will not accelerate.

***** My point on the other thread was that it will. That it isn't about Rights but about inevitability.That these newly discovered Rights will be expanded upon by oportunists who will have a vested interest in keeping tensions running high and who will cater to some who have only one real focus. This unfortunately is Human Nature and Same Sex Marriage being forced upon the larger society by well under 10% of the populace is a vehicle whose dynamics can create an absolute disembowling crisis for the Overall Nation .

***** We as a Nation progress and we should from an historical perspective know that how we see things know differs from how others in the past must have viewed them - both positive & negative. We therefore should analyze things not only in terms of rectifying past mistakes and injustice but at least consider that any new proposed change just might not bode well overall and possibly unleash divisions that no one forsaw.


***** Progressive's will scoff at this pointing to Europe and Canada as having adjusted nicely on this subject - BUT the Real battle is here in the USA and those wanting Same Sex Marriage like it's some Emancipation Proclamation or UN Declaration of Human Rights should possibly ask themselves what Harry Truman , or FDR or Eleanor Roosevelt or Frances Perkins or Lincoln or Frederick Douglas or Booker T.Washington , or WEB Dubois, or even MLK would have thought IF alive today.??

***** I know this will be uncomfortable for some but after all being that all that see and call for is social progress - well it should be an easy call. It should be at least considered on the basis of ethics and a genuine long term feeling for the society.

You need to source examples of states or other countries who have legalized same-sex marriage and demonstrate how it had a negative outcome.

 

[spud_meister]

this whole argument seems to hinge on that once gays get married they'll demand to be supreme god kings of the universe, becuase they are innately different to straights in ways other than sexual orientation

 

[Jerry]

this whole argument seems to hinge on that once gays get married they'll demand to be supreme god kings of the universe, becuase they are innately different to straights in ways other than sexual orientation

He has no argument until you see links in his post...in fact until you see links in his post you might as well just skip over them.

 

[spud_meister]

***** Notice how the Enlightened ones shy away from the st.Patricks incident They engage in parody & buffonery but cannot dispute those events 20 years ago. While that event was an admitted aberration it probably is a harbinger of what might well come BECAUSE once Gays have the necessary paperwork and KNOW it's not going to be overuled EVER - then some Church's will very nicely begin to perform Same Sex Ceremonies and THEN the activists will look around at those who have not come aboard the new Order.

wow, imagine that, attacks on property, and homophobes have never attacked gays at any point in history, you're citing things from 20 years ago, i can cite 2 years ago: E.O. Green School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or 10 years ago: [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard]Matthew Shepard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


and churches can and should be able to refuse to marry anyone they wish, they are a private enterprise, you are just a paranoid homophobe.