UN report findings indicate Assad gassed Damascus

[ecofarm]

Care to expand on this, beyond your usual it's just a youtube video?!

Btw. Here is another from a "rebel" site. I can't recognize the system yet. Though, again a system that launches rockets similar to M-14.

I find it amazing that you think your youtube investigation has uncovered evidence that the US government is unaware of. That's disconnected from reality. You don't think the CIA has youtube?

Spamming the thread with video of rockets that were not used in the attack is absurd.

 

[Fallenangel]

I find it amazing that you think your youtube investigation has uncovered evidence that the US government is unaware of. That's disconnected from reality. You don't think the CIA has youtube?

:shrug:
I already addressed this several times - I don't care about what the CIA, US government knows or doesn't know, simply because we can't discuss it or debate it.
But we can discuss and debate the data presented in the UN report, the capabilities of the "rebels" to use heavy rockets, etc.

Spamming the thread with video of rockets that were not used in the attack is absurd.

And again, instead of trying to counter the videos, information, etc...just a blank statement.

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

:shrug:
I already addressed this several times - I don't care about what the CIA, US government knows or doesn't know, simply because we can't discuss it or debate it.
But we can discuss and debate the data presented in the UN report, the capabilities of the "rebels" to use heavy rockets, etc.

And again, instead of trying to counter the videos, information, etc...just a blank statement.

Cheers,
Fallen.

You can spam videos that you know nothing about all day. But no one is gonna come in here and identify all of the rockets and translate for us.



Reality: The US government has seen the videos and claims that they are not evidence of rebels having the specific types (or source) of rockets used in the chem attack.

 

[Fallenangel]

You can spam videos that you know nothing about all day. But no one is gonna come in here and identify all of the rockets and translate for us.

Reality: The US government has seen the videos and claims that they are not evidence of rebels having the specific types of rockets used in the chem attack.

You just made a truth statement regarding the US government, care to provide evidence to support it.
Especially regarding the part in which they supposedly have seen these videos, and no your previous blank statements such as "You don't think the CIA has youtube?" aren't evidence.

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

So, I emailed my congressman:

Hey, my friend showed me these videos on youtube and I believe that they counter the claims of the US government. These videos clearly show that the rebels do, in fact, have the rockets that the US government claims they do not! Please, look at the videos, inform the CIA and have the State Department issue a new statement that there is evidence that rebels have such rockets. Also, please give credit for this earth-shaking revelation to my friend, Fallen.

Thank you in advance,
eco


He replied:

You're a ****ing retard, get back on your meds.

 

[Fallenangel]

So, I emailed my congressman:


Hey, my friend showed me these videos on youtube and I believe that they counter the claims of the US government. These videos clearly show that the rebels do, in fact, have the rockets that the US government claims they do not! Please, look at the videos, inform the CIA and have the State Department issue a new statement that there is evidence that rebels have such rockets. Also, please give credit for this earth-shaking revelation to my friend, Fallen.

Thank you in advance,
eco

He replied:

You're a ****ing retard, get back on your meds.

Nice one :lol:

I see you still have nothing to back even your own claims - that's of course your prerogative.

Meanwhile, as I already shown, the rebels do have the capability and even apparently used heavy rockets, 120mm, 107mm, and maybe even 140mm - depending on the type of rocket launcher in the last video.



Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Care to expand on this, beyond your usual it's just a youtube video?!

He probably means that the available evidence still points to the attack a month ago being carried out by the Syrian Government.

 

[ecofarm]

He probably means that the available evidence still points to the attack a month ago being carried out by the Syrian Government.

I mean that the US government has already seen those videos and determined that the rebels do not have the types (or source) of rockets used. Him spamming youtube videos will not change that.

 

[Fallenangel]

He probably means that the available evidence still points to the attack a month ago being carried out by the Syrian Government.

See above to understand what he claims.

The following has already been shown in this thread, as we moved further and further;
# At first it was a claim that the "rebels" don't have heavy 120mm rockets - was shown to be false.
# Now it is being claimed that they don't have rockets and rocket launchers (capabilities) to launch M-14 rockets - I've shown that they have and apparently used similar launchers of 107mm, and found a potential candidate to be a 140mm rocket launcher (though I'm still trying to identify it).


Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[Fallenangel]

...and found a potential candidate to be a 140mm rocket launcher (though I'm still trying to identify it).

A lil update - I wanted to edit my previous post but it was already over the 25min limit.

The rocket launcher that was shown in the last video;



Is a Croatian RAK-12 128 mm rocket launcher, it is obviously does not use the 140 mm ammunition which was described in the UN report.


So far I couldn't find a 140 mm rocket launcher openly used by the "rebels", but it was and is very interesting to learn about their true capabilities and their expertise in operating heavy rocket launchers.

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

CNN Breaking News: The US government and international observers have revealed that they were mistaken. The rebels DO have that kind of rocket! Special thanks to eco, and Fallen who first brought the evidence to US attention. They will each receive major awards.

Thiswillneverhappen.com

 

[Fallenangel]

CNN Breaking News: The US government and international observers have revealed that they were mistaken. The rebels DO have that kind of rocket! Special thanks to eco, and Fallen who first brought the evidence to US attention. They will each receive major awards.

Thiswillneverhappen.com

Can I get mine cash?! with $100 bills.

:lol:

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

Can I get mine cash?! with $100 bills.

:lol:

Cheers,
Fallen.

You need to figure what kind of rocket might supposedly be in the video you've posted. If it turns out to be a Russian (?) 120mm of the same variety, we'll notify the authorities.

In the meantime, post any videos you have available of random rockets (heck, why not other stuff too) and rebels.

 

[Fallenangel]

You need to figure what kind of rocket might supposedly be in the video you've posted. If it turns out to be a Russian (?) 120mm of the same variety, we'll notify the authorities.

So far....We've seen;
* 122 mm rockets and its stationary & a truck based launching platform (Grad type, most probably Soviet)
* 107 mm rockets and its Chinese Type-63 towed rocket launcher
* 128 mm rockets and its Croatian towed RAK-12 128 rocket launcher

Those poor, poor unequipped, unprofessional, and of course absolutely moderate "rebels".... lol

In the meantime, post any videos you have available of random rockets (heck, why not other stuff too) and rebels.

eace



Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

So far....We've seen;
* 122 mm rockets and its stationary & a truck based launching platform (Grad type, most probably Soviet)
* 107 mm rockets and its Chinese Type-63 towed rocket launcher
* 128 mm rockets and its Croatian towed RAK-12 128 rocket launcher

Those poor, poor unequipped, unprofessional, and of course absolutely moderate "rebels".... lol


eace



Cheers,
Fallen.

You seem to have completely lost the topic of the thread and have adopted, instead, a position of cheerleading for rebel resources.


Gime a 122!
Gime a 107!
Gime a 128!

What does that spell??

We have no ****ing idea! Yaaaaay! :2grouphug

 

[Fallenangel]

You seem to have completely lost the topic of the thread and have adopted, instead, a position of cheerleading for rebel resources.
Gime a 122!
Gime a 107!
Gime a 128!

What does that spell??

We have no ****ing idea! Yaaaaay! :2grouphug

:shrug: I see... so you started suffering form a minor amnesia?!




So, lets recap...

"Based on our preliminary review of information contained in the report, several crucial details confirm the Assad regime's guilt in carrying out this attack," U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters Tuesday.

She said one of the munitions identified in the report, a 120 mm improvised rocket, has been linked to previous attacks by al-Assad's regime, and "we have no indications that the opposition has manufactured or used this style rocket."

U.N. chemical weapons inspectors to return to Syria - CNN.com

Moreover, I remember you saying something like this;

The rebels are not known to have the type of rockets used, nor the training or ability to use those types of rockets.

I already showed you that the "opposition" does have, 122 mm, 128 mm, and even 107 mm rockets.
I also showed you that the "rebels" have the training and the ability to launch these types of rockets and utilize the rocket launchers, unfortunately we couldn't find the exact same types of rockets or launchers (140 mm M-14).


Btw, I almost forgot do you have your evidence of the US government/CIA watching these videos, as you claimed? Just wondering...

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

unfortunately we couldn't find the exact same types of rockets or launchers (140 mm M-14).

Who's "we"?

And why is it "unfortunate"?

 

[Fallenangel]

Who's "we"?

I"ll leave you guessing on this one...

And why is it "unfortunate"?

:shrug: Because it would make the things much more interesting.

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

:shrug: Because it would make the things much more interesting.

How ?

 

[Fallenangel]

How ?

Because so far, it was suggested that only the Syrian army had M-14 type rockets and compatible rocket launchers.


Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

Because so far, it was suggested that only the Syrian army had M-14 type rockets and compatible rocket launchers.


Cheers,
Fallen.

I find the course of events most likely to bring democracy to Syria the most interesting. Chaos is over-rated.

 

[Fallenangel]

I find the course of events most likely to bring democracy to Syria the most interesting. Chaos is over-rated.

To each his own. :shrug:

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[ecofarm]

To each his own. :shrug:

Cheers,
Fallen.

Ok, so it was Assad's rockets, in Assad's neighborhood (very secure, we're talking the capital)...

5-10 teams of rocket launcher dudes sneak into different locations, at the same time. None are detected. They set up rocket launch sites in the street (capital city), prepare the rockets and launch them...

No one notices. Not at any of the locations.



Really?

 

[Fallenangel]

Ok, so it was Assad's rockets, in Assad's neighborhood (very secure, we're talking the capital)...

These are rockets & rocket launchers that were apparently shipped to Syria quite a few decades ago.
The place from which the launch occurred is another matter for speculation as some suggest Mt. Qasioun, or the military bases near it, and on it.

Btw, as I already shown in the videos the rebels tried to shell these Syrian army positions from populated areas - meaning that they can get easily, and relatively close to these positions - as 8 km is the approx max. range of the launchers that they used. (Type 63 - 107 mm)

5-10 teams of rocket launcher dudes sneak into different locations, at the same time. None are detected. They set up rocket launch sites in the street (capital city), prepare the rockets and launch them...

First of all see above, I already showed that "rebels" fired rockets from populated areas, without being interfered or "detected".


But here it starts to get interesting, a map would help but the UN were too lazy to provide us with one :2razz:, but you can use an Atlas from your local library or Google map.

Site 1: Al-Moadamyeh - The already familiar to you, M-14 140 mm rockets were used.
According to the UN report from an azimuth of 25-35, with a max. range of 10km (M-14 maximum range is approximately 10 km).
The "triangle" that is created from these data points, is actually quite long.
EDIT: Sorry my bad, just wanted to make something clearer - the azimuths mentioned in the UN report are 34 & 35, I used the 25-35 figure trying to account for a possible error in the trajectory of the rocket.

Site 2: Zamalka/Ein Tarma - Unfortunately the UN report didn't identify that rocket, it has a 12 cm body with a 360 cm war head - without knowing what it is it is quite hard to discuss its characteristics.

No one notices. Not at any of the locations.
Really?

See above.

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[MadLib]

What Putin and Russia aren't the Liberal utopia any longer?

Has anyone other than socialists and communists expressed real admiration for either Putin's Russia or the Soviet Union?

How anxious are you to cover for your president's lousy foreign policy?

You're the one who appears to be anxious, grasping at anything and everything that even slightly fits into your view of Obama being an evil anti-American jihadist. I supported intervention before Obama did, and I would support it even if he came on the side of Assad.

BTW: I trust no one.

Your implication was that the Russians are "correct" because they're not "war-mongering." If that's not trusting them, I don't know what is.