Boo Radley
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Oh, so now I am the "devil" because I disagree with you....Nice. No, that's not dishonest at all, Noooooo....:roll:
Is anyone still being tortured? If not why don't you get a grip?
Which was not the point of our discussion. Try to follow.
Not what I said. Why do you make leaps I don't? I merely state Christians follow the teaching of Christ and not those of the devil. Do you disagree?
The UN does not determine what is and isn't torture.
Maybe you missed this part of the report.
It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.
So if you decide to carry through with doing this for nothing you will likely find yourself in violation of the law, no matter where you carry it out.
Figures! :doh There you go doing the same thing all over again.In your defense of torture Excon, I would say it is YOU who lives in an unreal and immoral 'reality', not I.There you go again displaying your inability to live in reality and focus on the topic, showing all that you have no valid argument in reference to the topic or of me.
:doh:lamo:dohCrimes against humanity, like torture, can be tried anywhere in the world, regardless of whether or not the US has signed onto the ICC.
Whom do you think is following teachings of the Devil?
Look who's talking, it's Johnny Come Lately to the party.
The only problem here was your inability to know the difference between that which is and isn't torture, and that which is and isn't legal.
All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.
It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.
Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.
"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.
Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."
He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.
UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News
The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
1. No they can't.
2. Nor where there any crimes agaisnt humanity to be prosecuted.
Anyone who supports torture. They are not the devil. They are merely supporting something evil, that follows the way of evil.
All I know is there are a lot of Yizidi women and young girls in Syria who wake up every day to endless rapes, maiming and disfigurement thanking their lucky stars they didn't get water up their nose.
Not one in a thousand of the anti-American propagandists who never tire of yammering about torture of jihadists has ever bothered to read a single page of the Justice Dept.'s analyses of enhanced interrogation techniques under U.S. torture laws, and it would be way over their heads anyway.
But these people don't care about facts or laws--all they are interested in is running down the United States through dumb appeals to the emotions of the most gullible members of the dimocracy. These people resent this country just like Barack Obama and other statists do--and, oddly enough, just like the Islamists do.
By institutionalizing torture, and by refusing to prosecute those who broke the law in that regard, the US is doing a pretty damn good job in running itself down. :3oops:
I don't know what your mean by "institutionalized," but it sounds very much like you are slandering the United States. I wish I could say it surprises me to see that here.
The United States has not approved the use of torture on anyone. And if you really knew that certain persons had violated the laws against torture, there would be no need to prosecute them--the purpose of a trial is to determine guilt. You don't know any such thing.
How about me Joe...do you think I am evil?
Follow what I said? Do you support torture? If you do, anyone who does, supports evil, and is on the dark side so to speak. Torture is and always will be evil.
What if it was your family's lives in the balance?
All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.
It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.
Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.
"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.
Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."
He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.
UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News
The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
Follow what I said? Do you support torture? If you do, anyone who does, supports evil, and is on the dark side so to speak. Torture is and always will be evil.
It is more likely that the US will withdraw from the UN than carry out such prosecutions.
Would you rape a child if your family is in the balance? Look, torture isn't reliable and isn't the best way to get that information, so I'd prefer, if my family was in the balance that they do what is most effective. Second, doing evil things that likely fail doesn't help my family. Third, even if it did, it doesn't change the nature of it. It would still be evil. Once you start excusing evil, no matter how you try to frame it, you start down a road that will be worse than if you didn't.
Well, you've never really given a solid, undeniable outline of what you say 'torture' is....
Yes. And we prosecuted Americans for doing this before.Waterboarding?
Yes, the innocent cab driver died IN PART due to a stress position. It's torture.Stress Positions?
Odd phrasing, but extreme heat and cold is torture, yes.Climate control?
Yes, of course.Loud Music?
Yes.Annoying lighting?
being silly now, but yes.Slapping?
Yes.Hitting?
You're just being silly here and you know it.Touching?
Talking loudly?
Not providing a pillow?
These have no real purpose and just looking to incite resistance. More just stupid than torture.Touching a Koran without latex gloves on?
Rubbing them down with Pig's blood?
Back to silly agian.Eating bacon in front of them?
Come on Joe....Let us know just how much you'd like to tie our hands without all the semantic word puzzles for a change....
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