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UN Nuclear Watchdog Chief: ‘Night and Day’ Difference Between Iran’s Nuclear Capabilities Before and After US Strikes

TangoNoCash said:
Lament about the nonsense of this all. Wish back to when there was an agreement in place to control this. Sure it wasn’t perfect but rather than working with the international governments to improve it lord and savior Donald Trump cancelled it because it was signed by a black man he hates. It put us all in danger. Now it’s spinning out of control and cons cheer foreign intervention and billions spent while we cancel people’s health insurance and give tax breaks to the rich. Then cons cheer that on too.
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The unsigned agreement was still "in play" with other members. Which Iran was violating. Why does Iran need the US to say "OK" to keep from building nuclear weapons?

DAMNING REPORT​

The text, seen by Reuters, declares Iran in breach of its obligations given a damning report the IAEA sent to member states on May 31.
"The Board of Governors... finds that Iran's many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran ... constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency," the text said.
A central issue is Iran's failure to provide the IAEA with credible explanations of how uranium traces detected at undeclared sites in Iran came to be there despite the agency having investigated the issue for years.
The May 31 IAEA report, a board-mandated "comprehensive" account of developments, found three of the four locations "were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material".

 
TangoNoCash said:
You may not want it but you are asking for it. War is always messy. People have died and more will die as long as you want to continue down this path so think about what you really want beyond the surface level. I do support Ukraine. They were attacked through no fault of their own. I don’t expect you to be able to understand the difference. You prove time and time again you aren’t capable.
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Well, countries who run around screaming death to America should not be allowed the weapons to make that chant a reality. I suppose it never occurred to you, but what Israel and the US have done may well save lives and help bring peace to a region that has not seen it in ages.
 
I wonder if there were Iranian casualties at the sites. After all it was a surprise attack and the place needs people to run it. They did seal up the entrances at the end of the attack giving people a chance to escape if the could have survived the blast. Survivors (if any) would surely know of the extent of the damage. We probably monitor their communications.
 
Looking at the situation as objectively as possible:

1. It would hardly be surprising if Trump used hyperbole in his announcement. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.

2. It seems very unlikely that any of the quoted sources knows how much damage was done at Fordow, since satellite imagery is the only basis for judgement (as far as I know)

3. Partisans of either side are jumping on to the sources that promote what they want to believe. This is dismaying.

I think Trump can deservedly be criticized for the use of the word "obliterated" in the absence of solid information. I don't think it's reasonable to go from that criticism to arguing that the damage cannot be serious; that kind of looks like wanting to believe anything that makes Trump look bad.

Similarly, although I would like to believe that all the centrifuges have been rendered useless, the evidence available to date (as far as I know) doesn't prove that.
 
Fletch said:
Well, countries who run around screaming death to America should not be allowed the weapons to make that chant a reality. I suppose it never occurred to you, but what Israel and the US have done may well save lives and help bring peace to a region that has not seen it in ages.
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That’s a result of our past actions. Instead of trying to fix it we double down and then play stupid when the chickens come to roost. Typical. Well I’ve reached my limit of your antics for today. You have an okayish day.
 
trixare4kids said:

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freebeacon.com

UN Nuclear Watchdog Chief: ‘Night and Day’ Difference Between Iran’s Nuclear Capabilities Before and After US Strikes

The U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities set back the Islamic Republic’s program "significantly," the head of the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog organization said Tuesday.
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I know who I'm going to believe. The report above. The detected radiation confirms Iran's centrifuge enrichment program was destroyed. It will be many moons before Iran will be near capacity. We all ought to pull together and feel thankful that
Trump did sent well trained undetected flyers to do the deed. God Bless our troops.
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Why do you use these ridiculous sources?
 
TangoNoCash said:
Ah the 3 letter crutch and free thinking in the same post. The dissonance is breathtaking.
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Those 3 letters describe the left perfectly. Saying the unhinged left has TDS is like a cancer patient has cancer. You dont need a new diagnosis when the old one still applies.
 
TangoNoCash said:
That’s a result of our past actions. Instead of trying to fix it we double down and then play stupid when the chickens come to roost. Typical. Well I’ve reached my limit of your antics for today. You have an okayish day.
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Antics?? You are just another lib who doesnt want his beliefs challenged. Now go back to CNN and get your next set of arguments programmed in.
 
Fletch said:
countries who run around screaming death to America should not be allowed the weapons
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Russia....China....Pakistan.....NorK

If your lot thinks this strategy, ripping up NPA's and then trying to bomb away the programs will work, I have some land in Nevada suitable for long term storage for sale.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Russia....China....Pakistan.....NorK

If your lot thinks this strategy, ripping up NPA's and then trying to bomb away the programs will work, I have some land in Nevada suitable for long term storage for sale.
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Not to mention Trump helped accerate NK's ICBM program last time he was in office. Dotard went and bent the knee 3 times to Kim, and all we got for it was North Korea moving even further in their ability to attack other countries.
 
vanceen said:
Looking at the situation as objectively as possible:

1. It would hardly be surprising if Trump used hyperbole in his announcement. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.
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Absolutely expected
vanceen said:
2. It seems very unlikely that any of the quoted sources knows how much damage was done at Fordow, since satellite imagery is the only basis for judgement (as far as I know)
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Agree, boots on the ground with UN inspectors is the best way
vanceen said:
3. Partisans of either side are jumping on to the sources that promote what they want to believe. This is dismaying.
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Well, again, absolutely expected. This country has evolved into binary tribalism. No thinking outside of what the tribe declares as truth.
vanceen said:
I think Trump can deservedly be criticized for the use of the word "obliterated" in the absence of solid information. I don't think it's reasonable to go from that criticism to arguing that the damage cannot be serious; that kind of looks like wanting to believe anything that makes Trump look bad.
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Very balanced and honest view on your part. I agree with this
vanceen said:
Similarly, although I would like to believe that all the centrifuges have been rendered useless, the evidence available to date (as far as I know) doesn't prove that.
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This is what is important, according to what I've read in the Atomic Scientist Bulletin. I think the fact that Israel killed the Nuclear engineers in their homes, where they thought they were safe, is a big factor in getting new staff in the future.

The status of the leadership is Iran is unknown. The Supreme Leader is in a bunker. Some claim that Israel and the US know the location and that a succession process is already in play. But that is just hearsay at best.
 
L88 said:
This is what is important, according to what I've read in the Atomic Scientist Bulletin. I think the fact that Israel killed the Nuclear engineers in their homes, where they thought they were safe, is a big factor in getting new staff in the future.
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Never forget Oct 7th!
 
RetiredAtLast said:
"The Pentagon's assessment" is a very preliminary review of aerial photos only, marked "Low Confidence."
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Yes, it's both marked "Low Confidence" and it's quite different than what the IAEA thinks. But the low confidence leaked info is music to the ears of the left. They very much want the result to be that Iran has maintained nearly all their nuclear capabilities. So, they and CNN (and definitely certain posters on this forum) are running very fast and furious with the low confidence info and are more than ready to turn that into FACT.

Just another example of the left's difficulty in giving anything "a minute" - unable to even think or breathe before their anti-Trump energy just forces them into (Trump MUST fail at anything he pursues) positions they then need to figure out how to justify. In this case, a position of actually wanting a very (nuclear weaponry) capable Iran.
 
L88 said:
Why does Iran need the US to say "OK" to keep from building nuclear weapons?
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That was how the NPA was structured, that all parties would agree with the conditions of the inspections.
 
gbg3 said:
Yes, it's both marked "Low Confidence" and it's quite different than what the IAEA thinks. But the low confidence leaked info is music to the ears of the left. They very much want the result to be that Iran has maintained nearly all their nuclear capabilities. So, they and CNN (and definitely certain posters on this forum) are running very fast and furious with the low confidence info and are more than ready to turn that into FACT.

Just another example of the left's difficulty in giving anything "a minute" - unable to even think or breathe before their anti-Trump energy just forces them into (Trump MUST fail at anything he pursues) positions they then need to figure out how to justify. In this case, a position of actually wanting a very (nuclear weaponry) capable Iran.
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If that's low confidence info, just imagine what Trump says about things is rated.
 
Mycroft said:
First of all, the IAEA is hardly an "interested party". If anyone outside of Iran, itself, knows about Iran's nuclear programs, it's them. I dare say they know more about it than all of the US intel community combined.

Second, the battle damage assessment linked in the OP's article is quite detailed and specific and it quantifies "significantly".

Look, I know you have an uncontrollable aversion to anything that put's the Trump administration in a good light,
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Mycroft said:
but...you know...sometimes you just have to face facts instead of continuing your denial and deflection.
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LOL, yeah that'll never happen.
 
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