UN Nuclear Watchdog Chief: ‘Night and Day’ Difference Between Iran’s Nuclear Capabilities Before and After US Strikes

[Gimmesometruth]

B1 crews

oops

 

[L88]

That would be weird since it wasn't B-1 crews who were deployed.

Not a big mistake.
But you're correct, B-2s
Which brings up the question, why are we still funding a B-1 base and program?

 

[eohrnberger]

The single minded view on this is quite extraordinary I must say.

Now do 'Orange Man Bad!' argumentation and its extraordinary frequency of being posted.

I thought republicans were supposed to be free thinkers not sentence repeaters?

If you want to see 'sentence repeaters' you just have to look at the Dem's compliant and complicit MSM propagandists and their being so frequently parroted here in these forums without any indication of free thinking.

 

[trixare4kids]

Its Trump hate and nothing more. but thats true about every issue.

There is more behind it than Trump hate though you're right, it is the primary driver behind the insanity. There is also tribalism, false pride, and personal blame, and outright contempt toward Trump voters.

 

[trixare4kids]

The single minded view on this is quite extraordinary I must say. I thought republicans were supposed to be free thinkers not sentence repeaters?

Well, then there are those who post gifs of eggs.
Thanks for making my point I added to @Fletch's in post 179.

Have a nice day. We are done here for a while.

 

[eohrnberger]

I wonder if there were Iranian casualties at the sites.

I believe it was reported that there were no casualties at the nuclear sites.

After all it was a surprise attack and the place needs people to run it.

Meh, not so much, I think, being that it was reported in the media, the final timing of the strike, of course, was rightly held as secret.

They did seal up the entrances at the end of the attack giving people a chance to escape if the could have survived the blast. Survivors (if any) would surely know of the extent of the damage. We probably monitor their communications.

 

[Mika-El]

Laughably daft. You seem to think criticism of the handling of this conflict is being against peace, but prior to this we did not have Israel and Iran lobbing missiles at each other. The US chose to not curtail Israel's attack and then joined in, so celebrating a ceasefire to a fight they started is an odd self congratulatory moment, especially when knowing this president was the one who created the conditions for Iran to expand their nuclear program. Cleaning up your own mess isn't really something to celebrate, it's the low bar expectation of what someone should do.

El I think appeasing Iran in any way aids and abetts not just all conflicts in the Middle East but around the world.

The reason I would argue that is because of their track record on financing terrorist attacks and organizations, providing Putin missiles and drones to attack Ukraine, Iran's direct military actions in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq.

I don't think Iran with its current regime can be expected to use nuclear energy only for domestic energy.I think that makes zero sense. The level of urnaium enrichment it had and was increasing long since surpassed the levels needed for domestic use. The constant lying to the IAEA and hiding what it was doing spoke to its dishonesty.

Is it a double standard Israel has the nuke weapons Iran wants? Yes. However by Israel being the only one in the ME with that capacity, it has prevented Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, aquiring nuke weapons from Pakistan.

The practical reality is China, Pakistan, Russia, organized crime syndicates could smuggle in nuclear weapons to Iran. For all we know they did and all these attacks are a cover to distract from taking some out.

Next. Let's think about it. We all have our attention directed at nuke sites. All the media stories have done that. To me when I read such things and I see everyone on both sides of the debate focused on nuke sites, my initial reaction is that is a deliberate direction manipulation of attention or misdirection from something else.

Come on. Right now, any country could make a dirty bomb (a bomb with enough radiation to do as much damageto human as a traditional nuke weapon without the property destruction and if Iran wanted to wipe out Israel's population all it would take is one or two dirty missile heads. It could also send in missile heads with deadly viruses it has.

This notion only a nuke missile will be used by Iran is silly. No one knows what weapons Iran has or had and what the IDF knows about them. We all base our info on what we read.

Having lived there and knowing people in the military there what I know is simply this-Israel can not and will never tell you or the world the true extent and nature against it. If it did it would trigger unintended consequences. What Israel sends out as news or what the US or Iran does is for sure in some way edited and manufactured to suit security concerns that can not be compromised.

This situation is far from over. Trump was desperate for a result timing it to have kim go to the NATO meetings and push for a Nobel Peace prize. Its pretty transparent. That aint happening.

I can tell you no Israeli believes they are not still in danger. As for Iranians internally-whether this spurs an internal revolution (which it might have been partially intended to do) I would not guess on.

I know you approach this issue as if Iran has rational spokespeople to negotiate with. Sorry I do not. I think the rational players needed to enable that were killed or thrown out of Iran and we do those people killed or thrown out of Iran a great dis-service playing up their government as reasonable and rational.

I again disclose my bias as being in strong support of the Iranian progressive movement outside Iran seeking regime change. Such people if they could take back their government not ony would end this conflict but they could repair relations with Israel and then go on to work with Israel and other ME countries to find peace in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza.

Wishful thinking but you should know many progressive Israel supporters are deeply allied with the Iranian progressive movements for peace and their refugees outside Iran.

That all said I get your points and respect them otherwise I woud not reply. Part of the argument you make is that if Trump had not ripped up the agreement Obama made with Iran this current mess may not have developed. I know that argument. I think that agreement was not working as Iran had repeatedly violated it.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

There is more behind it than Trump hate though you're right, it is the primary driver behind the insanity. There is also tribalism, false pride, and personal blame, and outright contempt toward Trump voters.

Don't forget, we want Iran to have nuclear weapons, @gbg3 says so.

 

[trixare4kids]

The redhats needed this "win." As zombie myths go let's go ahead and give it eight undeaths. They have something they can gish spam, and they're not going to stop galloping with it.

The world needed this victory. Wth?

 

[Mika-El]

lol

Well then giggle.

I stand by my words. I am the first to debate Trixie I am the first to defend Trixie. Its what I do. The fact people disagree with one another does not make them lack credibility its the evidence we refer to and how we explain our conclusions or opinions. Giggling shows an inability to debate.

 

[rhinefire]

Destruction % does not give us status on the uranium, was it even there?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

However by Israel being the only one in the ME with that capacity, it has prevented Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, aquiring nuke weapons from Pakistan.

How in the **** does Israel having nukes stop those states from acquiring their own?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Well then giggle.

I stand by my words. I am the first to debate Trixie I am the first to defend Trixie. Its what I do. The fact people disagree with one another does not make them lack credibility its the evidence we refer to and how we explain our conclusions or opinions. Giggling shows an inability to debate.

I've known her since before she joined this forum, but you believe what you want.

 

[reinaert]

The world needed this victory. Wth?

Your source is rubbish.

When this is inevitably walked back, the zombie myth certainty that Trump obliterated Iran's nuke program won't die.

Trump loyalists - the redhats - will be spamming this rubbish source for years.

Hence, eight undeaths out of ten awarded.

 

[Revelation]

God. People are so gullible.

well we all tend to be, i try to see thru the smoke and mirrors. prepper news can help you if yur open.

they say nothing will stop as this is just a Cease fire, eventually WW three is around the corner. remember to stay out of the cities and in yur bunker instead. https://www.youtube.com/@preppernewsflash

blessings, when you see the Dust from the Russians, Turkey and Iran invading Israel, we will be about done.


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[TangoNoCash]

Well, then there are those who post gifs of eggs.
Thanks for making my point I added to @Fletch's in post 179.

Have a nice day. We are done here for a while.

Yup sounds good. Respond to criticism of egg gifs with made up assumptions of everyone’s viewpoints. Such a competent response.

 

[trixare4kids]

Trix:

1-I assume the comments coming out of Iran are all face saving bull shit
2-I assume Trump is a liar and can not be trusted about a thing
3-It is a fact that trying to speculate as to the degree of compromise done to any nuclear site simply by satellite without physical on the ground inspection is not accurate
4-it is possible the US engaged in a soft mission to provide Israel a cover to get a ceasefire after negotiation with Putin *which I think is probable) OR Trump engaged in a soft mission since Putin has compromised all US operations with their military to double cross Netanyahu
5-it is possible and I would say the most probable one mission to take out Fordow was not going to do it.

All that said I make no claims to know the extent and nature of the damage and no one can. I must tell you, in my subjective opinion it would take about 5 missions with B2's and bunker bombs do take out Fordow.

That all said I think it is obvious Trump is puffing up what happened, Iran is puffing up what did NOT happena nd interestingly Netanyahu has been shut up.

The little I know about the IDF is that they find Netanyahu and Trump just as problematic as do US High Command.

There will never be an end to this conflict without a regime change in Iran and the associated war by Putin in Ukraine ended.

Okay. I appreciate the effort you put into this post. I'm going with the information in the O/P and imho, the US has a lot to be proud of because of President Trump's courage to carry out this dangerous mission. The world will certainly better for it. I know not everyone will agree, and I don't care.

 

[eohrnberger]

They drank bleach a few years ago at his urging. He knows science, it'll be fine.

Point of fact, the 'drink bleach' bullshit claim was thoroughly debunked (see below), but no surprise that you still cling to and parrot this hoax from the Dem's compliant and complicit MSM propagandists.
Says allot about you, none of it positive.

Getting really tired of the false bleach claim.

No, Trump didn’t tell Americans infected with the coronavirus to drink bleach​

No, Trump didn’t tell Americans infected with the coronavirus to drink bleach

Joe Biden criticized President Donald Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic, saying during a speech on the econom

www.politifact.com

Fact Check: Did Donald Trump Suggest People Inject Poison to Cure COVID?​

False.​

FACT CHECK BY NEWSWEEK​

Trump did speculatively raise the question of medical experts researching disinfectants as a possible COVID treatment, which Psaki was alluding to. And though he initially touted an "injection inside or a cleaning," he clarified in the same press conference that any treatment he was speculating on would not be through injections.​

Fact Check: Did Donald Trump Suggest People Inject Poison to Cure COVID?

The former president faced criticism during his time in office over comments he made about disinfectant and COVID-19.

www.newsweek.com

 

[The Brad Dad]

Point of fact, the 'drink bleach' bullshit claim was thoroughly debunked (see below), but no surprise that you still cling to and parrot this hoax from the Dem's compliant and complicit MSM propagandists.
Says allot about you, none of it positive.

Right, we use that as shorthand to remind everyone of the time when the dotard stood there babbling about maybe bleach or shining uv rays into people's chests. That you don't care he killed Americans with his fumbling of covid says everything about you.

 

[CaughtInThe]

well we all tend to be, i try to see thru the smoke and mirrors. prepper news can help you if yur open.

they say nothing will stop as this is just a Cease fire, eventually WW three is around the corner. remember to stay out of the cities and in yur bunker instead. https://www.youtube.com/@preppernewsflash

blessings, when you see the Dust from the Russians, Turkey and Iran invading Israel, we will be about done.


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So you think there's going to be peace in the Middle East during your lifetime? That's a yes or no question.

 

[TangoNoCash]

An attempted insult.
Whose sigs do you have on this piece of paper bro?

It’s an insult that you deny the existence of the agreement we’ve discussed here for months? Are you okay?

 

[Mika-El]

How in the **** does Israel having nukes stop those states from acquiring their own?

A nuclear-armed Iran would trigger an immediate arms race across the Middle East. Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt to start with would feel compelled to develop their own nuke weapons.

You can't figure that out? Really?

Saudi Arabia said to have bought nukes from Pakistan

Warheads stand ready for delivery if and when Iran goes nuclear, report says; Riyadh has the missiles needed to launch them

www.timesofisrael.com

New evidence suggests Israel’s nuclear power may be underestimated

As Israel and Iran exchange missile strikes, new evidence suggests that Israel’s nuclear weapons program may be larger than the estimates.

interestingengineering.com

 

[Revelation]

So you think there's going to be peace in the Middle East during your lifetime? That's a yes or no question.

Prophetically NO....

i am banking on Ezekiel 38 invasion of Israel and WW three; we will be toast.

Israel will win in the end with God's help; Russia, Turkey and Iran will lose biting the dust.

get the latest scoop in prepper news, he knows all: https://www.youtube.com/@preppernewsflash

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[gman]

Personally, I would like to see more supporting documentation. I think the Nuclear Watchdog Agency’s is valid but more substantiating evidence would be even better.
But what I find so hilariously funny is the number of people who so viciously want to poo-poo the possibility are the same ones who so viciously defended against other people’s lying eyes that Joe Biden had cognitive problems.

 

[Mika-El]

I've known her since before she joined this forum, but you believe what you want.

Then why the animosity? Debate the words and positions not the person and lol me.