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UK TV Media: should the requirement to impartiality be lifted?

The BBC ITSELF admits its bias, further to above:

On page one, I posted the direct link to Ofcom - you know better than the uniformed posters trying to say the BBC is biased that you have a right as a citizen under UK law to complain about bias within the BBC.

Feel free to prove they are biased - there's an email link you can make a direct complaint on about the BBC. Of course, Ofcom get nutters making complaints all the time so you will need better proof than the contradictory stuff so far posted on this thread.

Our favourite Canadian paints the BBC as a source of anti-American bias, you make a comment about holocaust denial while linking to a Times article that states accusations the BBC was anti-Palestinian.

Four pages wasted trying to paint the BBC as biased. Bias exists and is investigated when complaints happen - however root and branch bias which you and Wazzockman (Wessexman) before you tried claiming have yet to be proven.

You are here in the UK, prove the BBC is biased for us and make a successful complaint or stop posting false claims.

Now, the subject of the thread is whether to life the legal requirement to provide impartial TV programming - if anyone has conclusive proof of root and branch bias - then post it.
 
You have provided right wing links and blogs that (as Andablue showed) do not tell the whole story because it does not fit into the little world they are in. Yes there are many webpages claiming bias, and they are all run by the same type of people. People who have a political grudge against the BBC based on old time ideas of what the BBC is, and of course the usual rable of what we are not allowed to talk about in these sub-forums anymore.

So any criticism of the BBC are from (gasp!!) right wing links and the people who write of BBC bias live in little worlds. They have a political grudge and are of the usual rabble and are guilty of the sin which cannot be named. Well that certainly suggests an open mind.
You do know that the BBC is still the biggest news organisation on the planet right?

Yes, I know that, and all paid for by the British taxpayer. So what the BBC says reflects on Britain as a whole, and that is why the British people, and their government, aren't being taken seriously by anyone anymore. But you can prove me wrong, of course. Just who are your friends and Allies these days?
You do know that a huge part of the world still use the BBC to get the real news instead of their local controlled media right?

Yes, I know. The BBC is expert on all things foreign. We saw that in their handling of the Iraq war.
And you do know that almost all international media surveys show that the BBC is by far the most trusted international media out let on the planet right?

Oh I realize that many in the third world and the UK trust the BBC, and of course many governments are able to use it for propaganda purposes against the west. We know all that.

So you admit that the BBC is not left or right wing, since it does not matter who is in government.

Again, read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. You are not with the BBC now.
And if it was so biased, do you really think it would have survived Thatcher?

Again, I said that the BBC bureaucracy can survive any government, and it has. What is there about this that you cannot understand?
In fact it flourished under Thatcher.. go figure, or is Thatcher just another euro-socialist?

I doubt that she was. What difference does that make in regard to the BBC? Do i have to explain this all again???

LOL powerful in what way?

It was you who just said that "You do know that a huge part of the world still use the BBC to get the real news instead of their local controlled media right?"

Isn't that powerful? It seems that you are not comprehending what I am saying, and you don't even understand what you are saying!

Does the BBC dictate policy?

So you feel policies aren't formed by public opinion and the BBC has no influence on public opinion?
No lol, there are far too many competitors now days
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Oh so the BBC doesn't influence public opinion because there is too much competition. And the majority of British people and the third world get their information from where?

Any stepping over the line is instantly pounced on by the competition and the critics.

Right! And these critics are right wing rabble with grudges. I know.


And unlike the media you like, you can complain over the BBC and the BBC has been busted a number of or not living up to its own rules.

I've never mentioned media I liked. I know the BBC has been busted by right wing rabble with grudges, but they can be safely ignored.
I would LOVE to have a similar system for the US media..

Why? So the Americans could be just as poorly informed as the Brits in order to make the playing field more level? That's unlikely. But in fact a similar system has existed in the US, and Canada. Though not as bad as the BBC, they are now being largely ignored. In fact they are only gaining public ridicule, which should be the case with the BBC.

Yea.. and so what? Are you saying we have to dismantle the BBC every 4 years?

The political arm of the BBC, and its overseas service, should be dismantled immediately.

LOL give me a break. You are seriously comparing Fox News and the way the US media handled the Iraq war, with how the BBC and UK media did?

Yes, and if you read the reports you could see how it was bungled and propagandized by the BBC. A friend of mine was watching Fox news and the tanks and troops were marching through Baghdad while the BBC was saying the Americans weren't there, that we all knew how the Americans were prone to exaggeration. This is just another example of how the British public is being consistently misinformed by the BBC.

It is miles apart, because the US media did not do their freaking jobs and were nothing but lapdogs of the Bush administration. They were propaganda machines nothing more nothing less and they have admitted (minus Fox of course) that they dropped the ball in the months after 9/11 to the Iraq war.

Actually, the French media and German media were reporting the same as the American media.
In this time period, the BBC and UK news media in general, asked highly critical questions and demanded the truth
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Yes, I know!! i saw their search for "The Truth"!

That Blair pissed on everyone and went ahead any ways, does not change the fact that the British media (minus some what the Murdoch newspapers) were not the lapdog propaganda machines of the Blair government as the US counterparts were.

Right. They understood that Saddam Hussein was just the parent of some unruly children and that gassing his people, murdering millions of others, invading his neighbors, etc, was all a misunderstanding. It was really the lying leadership in the Coalition who were the villains in this piece. I know, I know!

When Blair threw out the 45 min till nuclear Armageddon, the US media ate it up

Actually you are doing a BBC here. That is untrue, though I have little doubt that the BBC told you it was true. That was not a factor over here.

where as the UK media treated the comment with high scepticism and guess what.. they were right.

Yes, and they've been focusing on that ever since, just as you are now. But, unknown to many in the British BBC public, there were other issues.
And in no way has the BBC or other UK media not supported the British troops once they were away overseas.. for one, the BBC almost always shows when troops comes home in body bags.. live often or slightly delayed. When was the last time that was shown on US TV?

The US media obviously has more respect for the feelings of the families of these brave people, and feel their deaths should not be propagandized. This is just another sorry example of how low British society has evolved.
 
-- Now, the subject of the thread is whether to lift the legal requirement to provide impartial TV programming - if anyone has conclusive proof of root and branch bias - then post it.

Spelling error corrected.
 
Never should the requirement for impartiality be removed.
I mean, do we really want media like the US's?

I am very happy to pay my TV license for the BBC and I know if I ever had a problem, I can complain to OFCOM.
May the BBC live long and continue being the world's highly respected news organisation.
 
Never should the requirement for impartiality be removed.
I mean, do we really want media like the US's?

I am very happy to pay my TV license for the BBC and I know if I ever had a problem, I can complain to OFCOM.
May the BBC live long and continue being the world's highly respected news organisation.

It's a good thing you are happy, Laila, because, to my understanding, you have little choice but to pay.

Perhaps people like yourself should organize and pay for th BBC on your own, That should make everyone happy.
 
It's a good thing you are happy, Laila, because, to my understanding, you have little choice but to pay.

Perhaps people like yourself should organize and pay for th BBC on your own, That should make everyone happy.

Actually I do have the option to not pay.
It's not like council tax where there is no get out clause
 
Actually I do have the option to not pay.
It's not like council tax where there is no get out clause

Yes, you can opt out of watching TV.

"The BBC has the largest budget of any UK broadcaster with an operating expenditure of £4.3 billion in 2007[26] compared to £3.8 billion for British Sky Broadcasting,[27] £1.9 billion for ITV[28] and £214 million in 2007 for GCap Media (the largest commercial radio broadcaster).[29]
[edit] Revenue
See also: Television licence and Television licensing in the United Kingdom

The principal means of funding the BBC is through the television licence, costing £145.50 per year per household (as of April 2010). Such a licence is required to receive broadcast television within the UK, however no licence is required to own a television used for other means, or for sound only radio sets (though a separate licence for these was also required for non-TV households until 1971) The cost of a television licence is set by the government and enforced by the criminal law. A discount is available for households with only black-and-white television sets. A small discount is also offered to registered blind. The revenue is collected privately and is paid into the central government Consolidated Fund, a process defined in the Communications Act 2003. This TV Licensing collection is currently carried out by Capita, an outside agency. Funds are then allocated by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) and the Treasury and approved by Parliament via legislation. Additional revenues are paid by the Department for Work and Pensions to compensate for subsidised licences for eligible over-75 year olds."

BBC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
You can opt out of watching LIVE TV. Downloading TV content to a computer does not require a licence. That said, you can pay more for a pint of beer than the weekly cost of the licence.
 
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Never should the requirement for impartiality be removed.
I mean, do we really want media like the US's?

I am very happy to pay my TV license for the BBC and I know if I ever had a problem, I can complain to OFCOM.
May the BBC live long and continue being the world's highly respected news organisation.

Couldn't agree more.

I would add that Channel 4's evening News programme is of exceptional quality as well

The BBC keeps our independent channels honest.
 
Feel free to prove they are biased - there's an email link you can make a direct complaint on about the BBC. Of course, Ofcom get nutters making complaints all the time so you will need better proof than the contradictory stuff so far posted on this thread.

Our favourite Canadian paints the BBC as a source of anti-American bias, you make a comment about holocaust denial while linking to a Times article that states accusations the BBC was anti-Palestinian.


Oh the arrogance of the Left! Things they don't like to read are 'false claims', regardless of who confesses, and anybody pointing out such 'right wing' things are likely 'nutters' or definite 'Wassocks'!


'The BBC admits it bias' you quoted from me, then asked for proof. If the words of BBC political men Andrew Marr or Neil aren't enough, then re-read the links.




Contradictions? The New Statesman says the BBC is actually riddled with RIGHT WING bias. But then, the snobbier version of the equally noxious Guardian would: New Statesman - Bias and the Beeb

Doesn't mean a thing. Bunging someone in a chair who was once a Tory Party bigwig and letting a few commentators have their say on economics doesn't outweigh the Red junk.





A bit of public opinion: BBC Guilty Of 'Massive Bias To The Left' | Orange UK


The BBC is biased to the Left. Indeed, when Greg Dyke said the Beeb was 'hideously white', he really meant it!



...And 'holocaust denial' mode is when somebody's denying something so blatantly obvious, this time to those without the same left wing hue. That's why the nuttiest loony lefty sees nothing wrong with the destruction left in its wake, as to them the mindsets behind it are perfectly normal and rational. Dead centre, in other words.
 
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Couldn't agree more.

I would add that Channel 4's evening News programme is of exceptional quality as well

The BBC keeps our independent channels honest.

Absolutely and the quality high.
One must do well to compete with the BBC and Channel 4's news is superb.
 

Well done.
That's exactly what I was referring to.

I realize such bias-monitoring agencies do exist in the UK, but certainly they are not doing their job.
I simply cannot point at one West-European state that has more bias in its media networks than the UK does.
 
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You can opt out of watching LIVE TV. Downloading TV content to a computer does not require a licence. That said, you can pay more for a pint of beer than the weekly cost of the licence.

I'm sure there are many ways you can avoid watching live TV and drinking beer is one of them.

Drink enough and you too can 'opt out'.
 
Absolutely and the quality high.
One must do well to compete with the BBC and Channel 4's news is superb.

Actually it's difficult not to laugh out loud at those who find the BBC to be of high quality. It's as though we're dealing with adolescents here!
 
Well done.
That's exactly what I was referring to.

I realize such bias-monitoring agencies do exist in the UK, but certainly they are not doing their job.
I simply cannot point at one West-European state that has more bias in its media networks than the UK does.

I notice you ignored my links to site and articles showed bias in the opposite direction. That says quite a lot. Which particular aspects of bias worry you the most, Apo?
 
I notice you ignored my links to site and articles showed bias in the opposite direction. That says quite a lot. Which particular aspects of bias worry you the most, Apo?

I believe that biased simply means biased, and whether one is biased for elephants or for snails doesn't change the fact that he's biased.
And as I said, UK media networks tend to be heavily biased.
 
I believe that biased simply means biased, and whether one is biased for elephants or for snails doesn't change the fact that he's biased.
And as I said, UK media networks tend to be heavily biased.

I suspect your knowledge and experience of TV networks across the World must be pretty small. I can only pass comment on channels that broadcast in languages that I speak, but if you think that there is anything in British broadcasting as blatantly partisan as Fox or MSNBC in the States, Intereconomía or Veo7 in Spain, Halk TV in Turkey, then you've clearly not watched those channels. What particular issues do you have a problem with on British TV?
 
I suspect your knowledge and experience of TV networks across the World must be pretty small.

And you'd be wrong.

I can only pass comment on channels that broadcast in languages that I speak, but if you think that there is anything in British broadcasting as blatantly partisan as Fox or MSNBC in the States, Intereconomía or Veo7 in Spain, Halk TV in Turkey, then you've clearly not watched those channels. What particular issues do you have a problem with on British TV?

I was not aware that the US and Turkey were located in Western Europe, but I'm certain that networks like Channel 4 news are at the top of the biased media networks in Western Europe.
 
I was not aware that the US and Turkey were located in Western Europe, but I'm certain that networks like Channel 4 news are at the top of the biased media networks in Western Europe.

Okay, limiting it to western Europe, which channels news output do you watch on a regular basis in order to come to your conclusions? You'd certainly need a degree of fluency in about 12 languages in order to be able to do that. Is that your claim?
 
Actually it's difficult not to laugh out loud at those who find the BBC to be of high quality. It's as though we're dealing with adolescents here!

What's even funnier is the idea that today's TV news in any country on this planet is of high quality.

However, I hate to tell you this, but in a putrid sea of mediocrity, the BBC still comes out on top of the stinky pile. There's no way even you can deny this.
 
Actually it's difficult not to laugh out loud at those who find the BBC to be of high quality. It's as though we're dealing with adolescents here!

You seem to have the highest envy factor here, disguised as contempt for all things European. You're equally welcome to make a complaint to Ofcom or the BBC and prove us all wrong.

Well done.
That's exactly what I was referring to.

I realize such bias-monitoring agencies do exist in the UK, but certainly they are not doing their job.
I simply cannot point at one West-European state that has more bias in its media networks than the UK does.

Prove they are not doing their job please. Make a complaint (the Ofcom website is easy to find) or stop posting falsehood.

Oh the arrogance of the Left! Things they don't like to read are 'false claims', regardless of who confesses, and anybody pointing out such 'right wing' things are likely 'nutters' or definite 'Wassocks'!

Ah, now I'm back on the "Left" am I?

-- 'The BBC admits it bias' you quoted from me, then asked for proof. If the words of BBC political men Andrew Marr or Neil aren't enough, then re-read the links.

I went through this with the Wassock when he used to post here. You must be his heir.

Firstly I want to see YOU make a successful complaint - point out ONE biased News programme or News article on the BBC and then let's follow your trail as you get an apology from the Beeb. They do apologise if they are proven wrong.

Second - for every Andrew Marr, I'll give you a John Humphreys who is on the right. There are others - Nick Robinson still presents news articles and he was leader of the young conservatives once before wokring at the BBC. There's even Andrew Neill who you mention yourself. That's the point of the BBC and balance - they employ people from across the spectrum and they host programmes. If they report the news they are obligated to present balanced views.

-- Contradictions? The New Statesman says the BBC is actually riddled with RIGHT WING bias. But then, the snobbier version of the equally noxious Guardian would: New Statesman - Bias and the Beeb --

The irony, you'v just helped me prove my own point and you don't see how weak your ground is.

The three or four of you should be able to scramble together enough to make a complaint to the BBC and prove bias.... :lol:
 
What's even funnier is the idea that today's TV news in any country on this planet is of high quality.

However, I hate to tell you this, but in a putrid sea of mediocrity, the BBC still comes out on top of the stinky pile. There's no way even you can deny this.

Actually, having experienced several years on the old BBC boards, I can deny it.

But what's the use? If you think you're being well served by the BBC and really believe that they're selling you the straiight goods, despite the many thousands of viewer warnings, then go for it. Live in that world.

Barnum was an optimist.
 
You seem to have the highest envy factor here, disguised as contempt for all things European.

That's just conforming what I said about adolescents.

You're equally welcome to make a complaint to Ofcom or the BBC and prove us all wrong.

I actually went through the complaint deal with an English friend and what an exercise in futility that was! It was a bureaucratic goo, and no one seemed to know what was going on.

Prove they are not doing their job please. Make a complaint (the Ofcom website is easy to find) or stop posting falsehood.

What falsehood would that be? If you genuinely believe that the BBC is credible, and will argue that it is credible despite all the evidence, then do it. I have little respect for people who do abide by the BBC but that's no matter. Live in your fantasy world.


Ah, now I'm back on the "Left" am I?

Who really cares? What is the difference between the BBC Left and the BBC Right anyway? Their debate tram affiliation in high school?

I went through this with the Wassock when he used to post here. You must be his heir.

Sounds like this person gave up on you also.
Firstly I want to see YOU make a successful complaint - point out ONE biased News programme or News article on the BBC and then let's follow your trail as you get an apology from the Beeb. They do apologise if they are proven wrong.

That's it! Watch the BBC from childhood to old age and the same mentality perseveres. It's as though you belong to the Church of the BBC, where no criticism is allowed , no questions are to be raised, you must just believe. It's spooky.

Second - for every Andrew Marr, I'll give you a John Humphreys who is on the right. There are others - Nick Robinson still presents news articles and he was leader of the young conservatives once before wokring at the BBC. There's even Andrew Neill who you mention yourself. That's the point of the BBC and balance - they employ people from across the spectrum and they host programmes. If they report the news they are obligated to present balanced views.

Hey, you sold me!! Hallelujah, brothers and sisters!

The irony, you'v just helped me prove my own point and you don't see how weak your ground is.

Right. Believe. We must all believe. I got it.
The three or four of you should be able to scramble together enough to make a complaint to the BBC and prove bias.... :lol:

Yes, with just three or four crackpots mentioning the possibility of BBC bias I'm sure there's nothing to it. Believe. And it you believe strongly enough everything you say, and what the BBC says, will be true. Just believe. I see it all now!
 
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