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U.K. Supreme Court Rules Trans Women Can’t Be Defined as Women

Lisa said:
Glinner(LOL) has a long history of being a gender denier.
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Odd, since I don't deny gender. This wouldn't be another case of you misrepresenting posters' positions, would it? You have a habit of doing that.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I've never ecountered enough trans women to get all bothered about them.

I'm far more concerned about Trump tanking the stock markets, and ignoring the legal safeguard of due process while "disappearing" people in El Salvador.
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Yes they want us to get all riled up by attacking tiny and vulnerable minorities when the real problem is that they are attacking all Americans freedoms and livelihoods. Normalizing cruel and unusual punishments done without due process is how the Nazi's exterminated millions.
 
Lisa said:
Their biology is different from their gender but you are not the kind of person who will allow facts to get in the way of your transphobic bigotry. Your ideas cause depression and anxiety, so its not harmless free speech.

I'm not tolerant of conservative harassment of minorities. Hypothetically, would making sure they have a 9mm way of fighting back against your harassment change your ideas?
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We are in agreement. Your posts here show intolerance.
 
NatMorton said:
We are in agreement. Your posts here show intolerance.
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Intolerance of harassment, of course I am. I am almost intolerant of racism and bigotry.

Free speech has limits where others are willfully harmed
 
Lisa said:
Psychology, psychiatry and neurology are not religions in any way.
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What to believe that neurology or psychology supersedes biology is religious belief. The idea that gender identity means anything to anyone except for the person with the identity is ideology it's not science in the least it's just you placing importance on something that is only important to you.

For the disast majority of human existence and within human existence today. If you say someone's a woman they're going to think that we're talking about a person who's a biologically female not someone with a neurological condition.
Lisa said:
A judge is going to laugh if you try to make that claim in a court room as a defense for your harassment for trans people.
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If they are harassed by the idea that a woman is a biological female then there's the ones with the problem. I don't care what a legal Court says the court of public opinion has already ruled.

Trans women are not with that's why we stick the word trans in front of it and distinguish them from women. If they were the same there would be no trans women they'd just be women.
Lisa said:
BTW, Your arguments have just entered the realm of creationists who likewise call evolution a religion because that is supposedly equal to their 6000 year old creationism.
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Opinion noted.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Except he's lying again. It was no such thing
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That's exactly what it was did they prescribe puberty blocks yes they did that's castration drugs it's no different.
Infinite Chaos said:
- notice he didn't give you any corroborating links?
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If you're giving children castration drugs you are castrating them and that's the point you can say it's transition if you want to believe the lie but it's not. There's no transition people can't do that.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Either way you don't work with openly LGBT people in Muslim countries no you don't.
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1993 to 1995, I didn't claim to still live there. I was a tech volunteer - I've talked about my experiences many times with other posters on this forum.

CLAX1911 said:
Oh you're one of those people.
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Your posting called for it.

CLAX1911 said:
That's exactly what it was did they prescribe puberty blocks yes they did that's castration drugs it's no different.

If you're giving children castration drugs you are castrating them and that's the point you can say it's transition if you want to believe the lie but it's not. There's no transition people can't do that.
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Puberty blockers may be called castration drugs in the US but this "castration" is reversible by stopping use of the drugs. You went for a reaction with the phrase "castration" and fooled another poster into it.
 
I'm not sure if it was this thread, but I downloaded a science report and post/copied some excerpts of it simply to be sort of helpful for debate purpose, but I still did not allow myself to get into any sort of deep thought process about this topic, BUT this reads really weird:

Infinite Chaos said:
Puberty blockers may be called castration drugs in the US but this "castration" is reversible by stopping use of the drugs. You went for a reaction with the phrase "castration" and fooled another poster into it.
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If whatever the drug is doing is reversible, then doesn't it mean one has to take the drug forever to maintain whatever it is the drug is supposed to be causing? And at what point does the drug "cause" whatever it is supposed to be causing? Certainly not after the first dose?

And, no, I did not click on that link in your post. I figure you can answer my questions just fine, because I am still not that interested in this topic. Just that [repeating myself] that seems a weird sort of drug type situation. I suppose one thing is all the different cancer attacking stuff they have me taking has had me studying each pill/liquid and even the drips they used and so medicines have gotten at the front of my researches over the past few years; like right now and that one you made note of.

"Reversible" - - - interesting . . .
 
medi said:
I'm not sure if it was this thread, but I downloaded a science report and post/copied some excerpts of it simply to be sort of helpful for debate purpose, but I still did not allow myself to get into any sort of deep thought process about this topic, BUT this reads really weird:



If whatever the drug is doing is reversible, then doesn't it mean one has to take the drug forever to maintain whatever it is the drug is supposed to be causing? And at what point does the drug "cause" whatever it is supposed to be causing? Certainly not after the first dose?

And, no, I did not click on that link in your post. I figure you can answer my questions just fine, because I am still not that interested in this topic. Just that [repeating myself] that seems a weird sort of drug type situation. I suppose one thing is all the different cancer attacking stuff they have me taking has had me studying each pill/liquid and even the drips they used and so medicines have gotten at the front of my researches over the past few years; like right now and that one you made note of.

"Reversible" - - - interesting . . .
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The link is a BBC article explaining what puberty blockers do - "Puberty blockers are drugs used to "pause" puberty by suppressing the release of hormones.
The hormones act as messengers telling the body to develop things such as breasts, periods, facial hair or a deeper voice.
Puberty blockers are prescribed to some children who are experiencing gender dysphoria, to temporarily stop their bodies developing."

So basically, for young people taking them - it simply delays puberty completing its process and so when you stop taking them, puberty can resume. That's what I meant by "reversible."

The case that brought the closure of the Gender Dysphoria unit at Tavistock was that a young person was allowed to complete the physical process of gender surgery to medically transition who then felt that they should have been challenged more about their decision when they wanted to reverse the physical part of the process (the surgery) and return to their original sex.

My personal experience is that a lot of the young Trans people I have met and taught over the years don't actually go through with gender surgery to medically transition what they feel strongly as teenagers working out their sexuality can and does change and so I agree that Tavistock should have been more challenging about decisions those young people are making.

Returning to the subject of the thread, at the same time, young trans teenagers can be and often are the most vocal critics of anyone who argues for women-only safe spaces and ironically they can certainly feel the same way as J.K Rowling (with regard to her defence of women only safe-spaces) about anyone else invading what would be a "trans safe space."

My argument and preferred wish is for safe spaces for women and separate (and equal) safe spaces for the LGBTQ+ community. Trouble is - financial resources don't always get spent in these areas.

As for incarceration facilities - that is really problematic. There aren't enough jails in the UK to house males and females as it is without even considering where LGBTQ+ criminals would be housed. Even then - an LGBTQ+ serial rapist should not be housed in the same space where LGBTQ+ criminals who committed much lesser crimes and this is where financial resources get broken, not even stretched.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
The link is a BBC article explaining what puberty blockers do - "Puberty blockers are drugs used to "pause" puberty by suppressing the release of hormones.
The hormones act as messengers telling the body to develop things such as breasts, periods, facial hair or a deeper voice.
Puberty blockers are prescribed to some children who are experiencing gender dysphoria, to temporarily stop their bodies developing."

So basically, for young people taking them - it simply delays puberty completing its process and so when you stop taking them, puberty can resume. That's what I meant by "reversible."

The case that brought the closure of the Gender Dysphoria unit at Tavistock was that a young person was allowed to complete the physical process of gender surgery to medically transition who then felt that they should have been challenged more about their decision when they wanted to reverse the physical part of the process (the surgery) and return to their original sex.

My personal experience is that a lot of the young Trans people I have met and taught over the years don't actually go through with gender surgery to medically transition what they feel strongly as teenagers working out their sexuality can and does change and so I agree that Tavistock should have been more challenging about decisions those young people are making.

Returning to the subject of the thread, at the same time, young trans teenagers can be and often are the most vocal critics of anyone who argues for women-only safe spaces and ironically they can certainly feel the same way as J.K Rowling (with regard to her defence of women only safe-spaces) about anyone else invading what would be a "trans safe space."

My argument and preferred wish is for safe spaces for women and separate (and equal) safe spaces for the LGBTQ+ community. Trouble is - financial resources don't always get spent in these areas.

As for incarceration facilities - that is really problematic. There aren't enough jails in the UK to house males and females as it is without even considering where LGBTQ+ criminals would be housed. Even then - an LGBTQ+ serial rapist should not be housed in the same space where LGBTQ+ criminals who committed much lesser crimes and this is where financial resources get broken, not even stretched.
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Thank you for the explanation.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's exactly what it was did they prescribe puberty blocks yes they did that's castration drugs it's no different.

If you're giving children castration drugs you are castrating them and that's the point you can say it's transition if you want to believe the lie but it's not. There's no transition people can't do that.
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Except puberty blockers are given to people with precocious puberty lol!
 
cpwill said:
Europe was faster than us getting into this mess, and it never became as much of a culture-war-fervor item (where people feel the need to defend it absolutely because The Bad People Oppose It), so, they are a bit faster than us, it seems, in getting out of it.

Another important - and unanimous! - step in that journey:

U.K. Supreme Court Rules Trans Women Can’t Be Defined as Women
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You know things are getting bad when political leftists are bent on forcing such ridiculous policies on society.
Wait?! :confused:
What would become of Western Civilization if our Supreme Courts fell under control of these radical weirdos?
God Help Us! :eek:
 
A 46-year-old pregnant woman had visited his clinic at the Royal Melbourne Hospital in Australia to hear the results of an amniocentesis test to screen her baby's chromosomes for abnormalities. The baby was fine—but follow-up tests had revealed something astonishing about the mother. Her body was built of cells from two individuals, probably from twin embryos that had merged in her own mother's womb. And there was more. One set of cells carried two X chromosomes, the complement that typically makes a person female; the other had an X and a Y. Halfway through her fifth decade and pregnant with her third child, the woman learned for the first time that a large part of her body was chromosomally male. “That's kind of science-fiction material for someone who just came in for an amniocentesis,” says James.

The fact is biology, gametes, and chromosome configurations are complex. If we stubbornly stick to this grade school biology shtick, lots of people get left out.
 
bomberfox said:
A 46-year-old pregnant woman had visited his clinic at the Royal Melbourne Hospital in Australia to hear the results of an amniocentesis test to screen her baby's chromosomes for abnormalities. The baby was fine—but follow-up tests had revealed something astonishing about the mother. Her body was built of cells from two individuals, probably from twin embryos that had merged in her own mother's womb. And there was more. One set of cells carried two X chromosomes, the complement that typically makes a person female; the other had an X and a Y. Halfway through her fifth decade and pregnant with her third child, the woman learned for the first time that a large part of her body was chromosomally male. “That's kind of science-fiction material for someone who just came in for an amniocentesis,” says James.

The fact is biology, gametes, and chromosome configurations are complex. If we stubbornly stick to this grade school biology shtick, lots of people get left out.
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She had a twin sibling that her body absorbed in her mothers uterus?
 
bomberfox said:
Suppose so. Biology is weird.
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Those who think human biology is a simple XX or XY stopped learning in 7th grade.


All of science can be very weird when you get down to the details. Quantum physics throws most of what you previously learned in mechanics, out the window and starts over.
 
Lisa said:
Friday the 13th part MCXXXVII, Jason cannibalizes his own sister.
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You know, it's been a long time since the last Friday the 13th movie. 🤔
 
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