U.K. Supreme Court Rules Trans Women Can’t Be Defined as Women

[Lisa]

Yet you demand the law enforce your myths.

Remarkable.

Psychology, psychiatry and neurology are not religions in any way. A judge is going to laugh if you try to make that claim in a court room as a defense for your harassment for trans people.

BTW, Your arguments have just entered the realm of creationists who likewise call evolution a religion because that is supposedly equal to their 6000 year old creationism.

 

[Lisa]

Biological sex is binary, unless you can name me a third gamete.

Intersex people exist.

Can a female who is attracted to males be a gay man? I'm referring to a transman.

Trans guys, who are not female, would be gay men if they were also attracted to males.

 

[Juin]

Psychology, psychiatry and neurology are not religions in any way. A judge is going to laugh if you try to make that claim in a court room as a defense for your harassment for trans people.

BTW, Your arguments have just entered the realm of creationists who likewise call evolution a religion because that is supposedly equal to their 6000 year old creationism.

Claiming an individual, by sheer power of thought, can morph from man to woman is pseudo science to put it mildly, but more accurately its superstition cloaked in scientific jargon

 

[Master Debator]

Claiming an individual, by sheer power of thought, can morph from man to woman is pseudo science to put it mildly, but more accurately its superstition cloaked in scientific jargon

That just looks like you beating up on a strawman.

 

[bomberfox]

Sex too is not just gametes. Anyone claiming sex based only on gametes has no idea what they are talking about. It aint that simple. Just learn to deal with it and stop this ridiculous policing. Just because cells might have certain chromosomes doesnt mean that the cells themselves are sexed.

Sex Redefined: The Idea of 2 Sexes Is Overly Simplistic

Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male

www.scientificamerican.com

The Gender Dysphoria Bible

A dive into the multitude of ways that gender dysphoria manifests and what it means to be transgender.

genderdysphoria.fyi

We can try to understand people like this or constantly fear monger.

 

[NatMorton]

Psychology, psychiatry and neurology are not religions in any way. A judge is going to laugh if you try to make that claim in a court room as a defense for your harassment for trans people.

BTW, Your arguments have just entered the realm of creationists who likewise call evolution a religion because that is supposedly equal to their 6000 year old creationism.

You're lying. I don't harass trans people.

 

[Lisa]

You're lying. I don't harass trans people.

Misgendering them by referring to them according to their biological sex instead of their gender idneity is harassment as defined by the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

 

[Aristaeus]

Intersex people exist.


Trans guys, who are not female, would be gay men if they were also attracted to males.

Intersex isn't a sex. There are two sex gametes, hence two sexes. It is binary.

 

[Felis Leo]

Europe was faster than us getting into this mess, and it never became as much of a culture-war-fervor item (where people feel the need to defend it absolutely because The Bad People Oppose It), so, they are a bit faster than us, it seems, in getting out of it.

Another important - and unanimous! - step in that journey:

U.K. Supreme Court Rules Trans Women Can’t Be Defined as Women

Britain’s top court ruled only those born female can be considered women, a landmark judgment that excludes transgender women from the legal definition and paves the way for tighter limits on female-only spaces and services. ...​

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“The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms ‘woman’ and ‘sex’ in the Equality Act 2010 refer to biological women and biological sex,” said the court’s deputy president, Lord Hodge....​

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In the 88-page ruling, the judges said the concept of sex was binary, referring to either a woman or a man, and that they hoped the ruling would give clarity to the law while protecting both women and transgender people.​

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“The ordinary meaning of those plain and unambiguous words corresponds with the biological characteristics that make an individual a man or a woman,” the ruling read.​

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“These are assumed to be self-explanatory and to require no further explanation.”​

A ruling that helps no one. Least of all women, cis or trans.

 

[Aristaeus]

Misgendering them by referring to them according to their biological sex instead of their gender idneity is harassment as defined by the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Referring to someone's sex is not misgendering them. Sex isn't gender

 

[Aristaeus]

Intersex people exist.


Trans guys, who are not female, would be gay men if they were also attracted to males.

Transmen are of the female sex.

 

[Lisa]

Claiming an individual, by sheer power of thought, can morph from man to woman is pseudo science to put it mildly, but more accurately its superstition cloaked in scientific jargon

Our brains have a defined gender that is determined in utero by hormones that can be male fem,ale or some levels of androgynous. 95% of the have a brain gender that is the same as their biological sex. They are termed cisgender. You are likely cisgender

Transgender people have a brain that is significantly different gender than their sex, so it isn't a delusion or force of will that they are a female, despite their male body or male, despite their female body. Those who brain sex is in-between are either nonbinary or gender fluid.

Medical science treats trans people by changing their body as much as current medical science allows, to align with their gender identity. It's not perfect but it is lifesaving for them.

Referring to someone's sex is not misgendering them. Sex isn't gender

Yes it is misgendering them to refer to them with their sex and not their gender.

Unless I can call you Missy or Anne...............

 

[NatMorton]

Misgendering them by referring to them according to their biological sex instead of their gender idneity is harassment as defined by the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Please cite the relevant passage from that act.

 

[Lisa]

Please cite the relevant passage from that act.

The Emotional Impact

Imagine being called something you're not, day in and day out. It's like wearing shoes that don't fit - uncomfortable and painful. Misgendering can inflict emotional pain, lead to distress, and can even be a form of harassment.

Is Misgendering a Violation of State or Federal Law? —Law Blog Breslin Law Group, PLLC

I recently represented a business entity that was investigated by the New York State Department of Human Rights (DHR) in connection with a trans employee that believed they were being discriminated against after a supervisor “misgendered” them - meaning used the pronoun associated with their assigne

www.breslinlawgroup.com

 

[NatMorton]

Is Misgendering a Violation of State or Federal Law? —Law Blog Breslin Law Group, PLLC

I recently represented a business entity that was investigated by the New York State Department of Human Rights (DHR) in connection with a trans employee that believed they were being discriminated against after a supervisor “misgendered” them - meaning used the pronoun associated with their assigne

www.breslinlawgroup.com

Cite the passage in the act, please.

 

[Lisa]

Cite the passage in the act, please.

Harassment is unwanted verbal or physical behavior intended to humiliate and offend you. This article addresses what constitutes harassment and what your potential remedies are.

Sexual Harassment​

Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination recognized under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. States can also enact laws regarding sexual harassment.

https://www.findlaw.com/civilrights/discrimination/what-really-constitutes-harassment-and-what-can-i-do.html

 

[bomberfox]

A ruling that helps no one. Least of all women, cis or trans.

Perhaps but its probably going to be the best we can get for the foreseeable future. I dont know exactly how i should feel about this since ive been corrected.

 

[bomberfox]

Our brains have a defined gender that is determined in utero by hormones that can be male fem,ale or some levels of androgynous. 95% of the have a brain gender that is the same as their biological sex. They are termed cisgender. You are likely cisgender

Transgender people have a brain that is significantly different gender than their sex, so it isn't a delusion or force of will that they are a female, despite their male body or male, despite their female body. Those who brain sex is in-between are either nonbinary or gender fluid.

Medical science treats trans people by changing their body as much as current medical science allows, to align with their gender identity. It's not perfect but it is lifesaving for them.


Yes it is misgendering them to refer to them with their sex and not their gender.

Unless I can call you Missy or Anne...............

I think since Glinner here is often confused about sex because he believes sex is only determined by gametes which is laughable.

 

[NatMorton]

https://www.findlaw.com/civilrights/discrimination/what-really-constitutes-harassment-and-what-can-i-do.html

As I said, I have not harassed anyone. Using grammatically (and biologically) correct pronouns is not an attempt to "humiliate." It's an attempt to use the language properly and to convey a sincerely held understanding. I realize that doesn't always register with the intolerant, but there's not much I can do about that.

 

[NatMorton]

I think since Glinner here is often confused about sex because he believes sex is only determined by gametes which is laughable.

Sex is determined by one's DNA. The comedy starts when the counterarguments begin.

 

[Lisa]

As I said, I have not harassed anyone. Using grammatically (and biologically) correct pronouns is not an attempt to "humiliate." It's an attempt to use the language properly and to convey a sincerely held understanding. I realize that doesn't always register with the intolerant, but there's not much I can do about that.

Their biology is different from their gender but you are not the kind of person who will allow facts to get in the way of your transphobic bigotry. Your ideas cause depression and anxiety, so its not harmless free speech.

I'm not tolerant of conservative harassment of minorities. Hypothetically, would making sure they have a 9mm way of fighting back against your harassment change your ideas?

 

[Lisa]

I think since Glinner here is often confused about sex because he believes sex is only determined by gametes which is laughable.

Glinner(LOL) has a long history of being a gender denier.

Sex is determined by one's DNA. The comedy starts when the counterarguments begin.

Do you need for me to explain what the word cisgender means and why it is exists?

 

[bomberfox]

Glinner(LOL) has a long history of being a gender denier.

Yeah. Sounds just like Graham to me only i as a furry get to delight in the fact that the real Graham ironically is the most un****able man in the world

 

[Aristaeus]

Our brains have a defined gender that is determined in utero by hormones that can be male fem,ale or some levels of androgynous. 95% of the have a brain gender that is the same as their biological sex. They are termed cisgender. You are likely cisgender

Transgender people have a brain that is significantly different gender than their sex, so it isn't a delusion or force of will that they are a female, despite their male body or male, despite their female body. Those who brain sex is in-between are either nonbinary or gender fluid.

Medical science treats trans people by changing their body as much as current medical science allows, to align with their gender identity. It's not perfect but it is lifesaving for them.


Yes it is misgendering them to refer to them with their sex and not their gender.

Unless I can call you Missy or Anne...............

It's not because sex isn't gender. You can't misgender someone if you don't mention any gender.

 

[Lisa]

It's not because sex isn't gender. You can't misgender someone if you don't mention any gender.

Try not to be obtuse. That only applies if they are cisgender.

Referring to a transgender person by their bio sex and not their gender identity is misgendering.