TX Gov. Perry Issues Executive Order to Deploy Nat'l Guard to Border

[JumpinJack]

Gov. Rick Perry announced plans on Monday to deploy up to 1,000 National Guard troops to the Texas border after saying he had grown tired of federal officials’ "lip service" and "empty promises."

Perry said that the National Guard will provide support over the next month to the state-funded border surge he declared last month, “Operation Strong Safety.” The state surge is costing $1.3 million a week; the combined operation will cost $5 million per week.
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Texas Atty. General Greg Abbott, a fellow Republican campaigning for governor, had asked the Obama administration for $30 million in temporary border aid and said the federal government should pay for the new plan.

“Texans are willing to put boots on the ground. But we expect Washington to foot the bill,” Abbott said.

Texas Gov. Perry orders 1,000 National Guard troops to border - chicagotribune.com

Well, I suppose at least someone is doing something.

 

[Thom Paine]

Texas Gov. Perry orders 1,000 National Guard troops to border - chicagotribune.com

Well, I suppose at least someone is doing something.

Take notice United States

 

[jamesrage]

Texas Gov. Perry orders 1,000 National Guard troops to border - chicagotribune.com

Well, I suppose at least someone is doing something.

Hopefully he succeeds and pushes other border states to do the same.

 

[Visbek]

Well, I suppose at least someone is doing something.

Grandstanding with millions of taxpayer dollars qualifies as "doing something?" Who knew?

National Guard troops aren't trained for border patrol, and they aren't empowered to detain or arrest anyone. It's pointless. The border needs law enforcement, not soldiers.

Not to mention that border crossings are actually falling, and are far below their peaks in the late 1980s and 2000s:

 

[Fenton]

Grandstanding with millions of taxpayer dollars qualifies as "doing something?" Who knew?

National Guard troops aren't trained for border patrol, and they aren't empowered to detain or arrest anyone. It's pointless. The border needs law enforcement, not soldiers.

Not to mention that border crossings are actually falling, and are far below their peaks in the late 1980s and 2000s:

We can afford it.

You see we're a GOP run State which means we have a strong growing economy and we have a actual Surplus.

Now California ? Lol....no, they could not afford to send the National Guard in.

 

[Thrilla]

Grandstanding with millions of taxpayer dollars qualifies as "doing something?" Who knew?

National Guard troops aren't trained for border patrol, and they aren't empowered to detain or arrest anyone. It's pointless. The border needs law enforcement, not soldiers.

Not to mention that border crossings are actually falling, and are far below their peaks in the late 1980s and 2000s:

he put a lot of DPS and Texas Rangers on border enforcement as well.


Texas shouldn't have to take on the responsibility for border enforcement, but the federal govt clearly can't do the job adequately, so someone has to step up.

Perry, if he chose to, can authorize arrest/police powers for the Texas guard... Perry in the Commander-in-chief of the Guard and he gets to set their rules.
( posse comitatus does not apply to State Guards under state authority)
Obama can't authorize police or arrest powers, because the posse comitatus act specifically bars the federal govt form using federalized troops as state law enforcement officers.

 

[Fenton]

he put a lot of DPS and Texas Rangers on border enforcement as well.


Texas shouldn't have to take on the responsibility for border enforcement, but the federal govt clearly can't do the job adequately, so someone has to step up.

Perry, if he chose to, can authorize arrest/police powers for the Texas guard... Perry in the Commander-in-chief of the Guard and he gets to set their rules.
( posse comitatus does not apply to State Guards under state authority)
Obama can't authorize police or arrest powers, because the posse comitatus act specifically bars the federal govt form using federalized troops as state law enforcement officers.

Absolutely.

Liberal hacks will attack him no matter what he does and even use the pretense of concern over spending to justify it

They should understand the cost that are heaped upon Local States and Cities by Illegal immigrants before running off at the mouth.

 

[Visbek]

We can afford it.

1) That doesn't address any of my other points, e.g. National Guard troops aren't trained or authorized for border patrol; that border crossings are down since 2000; that this is grandstanding for political means.

2) Then why are you demanding that the federal government foot the bill?

 

[Visbek]

Texas shouldn't have to take on the responsibility for border enforcement, but the federal govt clearly can't do the job adequately, so someone has to step up.

Uh, hello? Border crossings have dropped by more than half since 2000. And the children who are crossing are literally looking for border agents, so they can apply for asylum.

The borders are not being overrun. There's just a lot of children crossing who are requesting asylum, and we don't have the facilities to take proper care of them while processing them.

Perry, if he chose to, can authorize arrest/police powers for the Texas guard... Perry in the Commander-in-chief of the Guard and he gets to set their rules.

National Guard regulations require an act of Congress before they can act as law enforcement.

Perry may be in charge of the Texas State Guard, but that's not who he's calling up. The National Guard is a reserve wing for the federal armed forces. Perry can request their presence or authorize them to operate, but he can't grant them arrest powers.

 

[Thrilla]

Uh, hello? Border crossings have dropped by more than half since 2000. And the children who are crossing are literally looking for border agents, so they can apply for asylum.

The borders are not being overrun. There's just a lot of children crossing who are requesting asylum, and we don't have the facilities to take proper care of them while processing them.

border crossings are not down..... your chart is about border apprehensions, which are down... crossings=/= apprehensions.
the recession did slow crossings quite a bit though, as "the promised land" wasn't doing so hot.... it's picked up again, especially in Texas.

National Guard regulations require an act of Congress before they can act as law enforcement.

only if they are federalized.
it is not been called into federal service , so they belong to Texas.
no two ways about it.

Perry may be in charge of the Texas State Guard, but that's not who he's calling up. The National Guard is a reserve wing for the federal armed forces. Perry can request their presence or authorize them to operate, but he can't grant them arrest powers.

yes , he can... he is the CINC of the Texas National Guard when they are under state authority.

national guards are state guards first, not federal reserves first.... they belong to their respective states until they are called into federal duty.

 

[DVSentinel]

Grandstanding with millions of taxpayer dollars qualifies as "doing something?" Who knew?

National Guard troops aren't trained for border patrol, and they aren't empowered to detain or arrest anyone. It's pointless. The border needs law enforcement, not soldiers.

Not to mention that border crossings are actually falling, and are far below their peaks in the late 1980s and 2000s:

You are wrong, but at the same time right, in a way. National Guard can be used for law enforcement under the State (Perry) but not when nationalized (Obama). They do train to act with law enforcement during emergencies. Also, area security, area denial and patrols should be part of their training unless of course, Obama has managed to butcher the military to the point even basics are no longer trained (very possible, even probable.)

Notice that your graph is border patrol apprehensions, not numbers coming across.

 

[Fenton]

1) That doesn't address any of my other points, e.g. National Guard troops aren't trained or authorized for border patrol; that border crossings are down since 2000; that this is grandstanding for political means.

2) Then why are you demanding that the federal government foot the bill?

Border crossings are " down " since 2000 ?

Seriously ?

And what are we demanding the Federal government pay for exactly ?

 

[Captain America]

We can afford it.

You see we're a GOP run State which means we have a strong growing economy and we have a actual Surplus.

Now California ? Lol....no, they could not afford to send the National Guard in.

I thought they were asking Obama to pay for it. Something like, "We'll put the boots on the ground but Washington has to pay for it." Or is that just something the other GOP candidate for Perry's job said? Hey if Texas has the money and wants to foot the bill, they should have that right to invest in their border.

 

[Visbek]

border crossings are not down.....

Apprehensions are commonly used as a proxy for crossings. They have been for years.

Meanwhile, the number of border patrol agents has gone up -- it's increased tenfold between 1980 and 2013, and border budgets went up until 2011. And at least one of those years was partly due to the sequestration cuts.

the recession did slow crossings quite a bit though, as "the promised land" wasn't doing so hot.... it's picked up again, especially in Texas.

I don't suppose you actually have any proof of that?

only if they are federalized....

OK then. If they're "your" troops, you can pay for them.

Oh, and you might want to tell Perry that he can authorize US Army troops to arrest people, because he doesn't seem to know it.


[BRIT] HUME: I think nearly everybody agrees with that, Governor, but the question I'm trying to get at with you is this -- if these children who undergone these harrowing journeys, to escape the most desperate conditions in their home countries, have gotten this far, are they really going to be deterred by the presence of troops along the border who won't shoot them and can't arrest them?

PERRY: And I think we're talking about two different things here. And what we're talking about is sending the message back now so we can staunch the bleeding. Those that are already here to address them, to humanitarily take care of them, to make sure that they are safe, process them as quickly as you can to reunite them with their families. That's the most humanitarian thing that we can do.

And the National Guard is absolutely a trained group of men and women that can address that particular function, one that they should. They're not there in a vacuum. We have massive amounts of Texas law enforcement now, whether it's our Texas Ranger recon teams there. You saw some of that on FOX this last week with the boats that we have in the river, the Texas Parks and Wildlife. Those are all law enforcement individuals who can in fact arrest those that have illegally come in and appropriately deal with them.

But more importantly, this is allowing the border patrol to get back to what they are supposed to do. Right now, reports of up to 70 percent of them are taking care of these young people who have come in rather than doing their job of securing the border.

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HUME: I get that's the message, Governor. What I don't quite understand is, how it is with the law being the way it is, the presence of more troops or forces on the border who are not legally able to apprehend these immigrants, these border crossers, is going to change anything without the law being changed first.

PERRY: Here's the way it will. The presence -- and we've done this multiple times. We've surged large amounts of Texas law enforcement with local law enforcement and coordinating with the border patrol into sectors. We don't have the ability on a 1,200-mile border to do that. About 20 percent of the individuals coming across are these unaccompanied alien children. You got 80 percent of people out there that these laws don't fall into, but we're being pulled away having to deal with these children.

And my point is, you bring boots on the ground to send that message clearly, both visually and otherwise. At that particular point in time, I think this flow from Central America gets staunched by a substantial margin. The president would be wise to put those National Guard troops on the border, and he doesn't have to have Congress's approval for that.
Brit Hume to Perry: If National Guard Can't Arrest Immigrants, Then What's The Point? | Video | RealClearPolitics

 

[Respecthelect]

Perry looks good. Looks presidential. Far more presidential than anyone on the the scene today (especially the president).

Half-expecting Obama to nationalize Texas troops to take them away from Perry, because Perry is upstaging Obama badly.

 

[JumpinJack]

We can afford it.

You see we're a GOP run State which means we have a strong growing economy and we have a actual Surplus.

Now California ? Lol....no, they could not afford to send the National Guard in.

Texas is going to seek reimbursement from the federal government (for doing their job for them).

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Grandstanding with millions of taxpayer dollars qualifies as "doing something?" Who knew?

National Guard troops aren't trained for border patrol, and they aren't empowered to detain or arrest anyone. It's pointless. The border needs law enforcement, not soldiers.

Not to mention that border crossings are actually falling, and are far below their peaks in the late 1980s and 2000s:

Training is an issue but as for the inability to arrest and stuff can't we just deputize the force?

EDIT

As for us spending so much money, well, people are paranoid so there's nothing we could do about it at this point. And Texas doesn't strike me as the most Democratic state but who knows maybe I'm just being biased.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Texas is going to seek reimbursement from the federal government (for doing their job for them).

Good luck with that.

 

[Carleen]

Texas Gov. Perry orders 1,000 National Guard troops to border - chicagotribune.com

Well, I suppose at least someone is doing something.

They can't do anything. Total waste of time.

 

[Thom Paine]

Uh, hello? Border crossings have dropped by more than half since 2000. And the children who are crossing are literally looking for border agents, so they can apply for asylum.

The borders are not being overrun. There's just a lot of children crossing who are requesting asylum, and we don't have the facilities to take proper care of them while processing them.



National Guard regulations require an act of Congress before they can act as law enforcement.

Perry may be in charge of the Texas State Guard, but that's not who he's calling up. The National Guard is a reserve wing for the federal armed forces. Perry can request their presence or authorize them to operate, but he can't grant them arrest powers.

Obviously unaware of the Southern Border situation

 

[JumpinJack]

They can't do anything. Total waste of time.

That may be the result. But my feeling is that we have to try something. And who knows. Maybe something will be accomplished.

 

[JumpinJack]

Good luck with that.

I know. Doesn't sound promising. May require a lawsuit.

 

[JumpinJack]

Grandstanding with millions of taxpayer dollars qualifies as "doing something?" Who knew?

National Guard troops aren't trained for border patrol, and they aren't empowered to detain or arrest anyone. It's pointless. The border needs law enforcement, not soldiers.

Not to mention that border crossings are actually falling, and are far below their peaks in the late 1980s and 2000s:

That chart is of apprehensions of illegal immigrants on southern border. Not of illegal immgrant inflows.

The millions still coming across, and particularly the tens of thousands of childrens (who will require millions of dollars of taxpayer assistance for many years, if they stay), is a big problem for those who deal daily with the situation, and have to foot the bill. We pay for their health care, their education, their maternity costs (lots of births by illegal immigrants, since one of the purposes of many people coming is to give birth so they have an American citizen in the family). I feel it personally in my property taxes, which are sky high, and increasing every year. The taxes are so high that I'm looking into selling my house.

Our local charity hospital got into financial trouble in recent years. The maternity ward had triple the capacity it was built for. Why? Illegal immigrants. They come from miles around to that hospital to give birth for free.

People who aren't directly affected by the problem don't understand how large the problem is. Americans can no longer gets jobs working for landscaping or nursery companies, as house cleaners or janitors or maids in hotels. They're shut out by illegal immigrants who will work for very low wages, and then they send some of those wages out of the country, so it doesn't benefit the local community. It's a huge problem and is hurting many Americans.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

I know. Doesn't sound promising. May require a lawsuit.

Good luck with that as well.