Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

Fearandloathing · May 4, 2015

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US Conservative said:
Americans value their 1st amendment highly-mostly save some on the left. If the choice is between freedom of speech and censorship (and Im not saying it is), well im picking freedom of speech. Even if opponents say its "for our safety".

The problem here is violent islam, not our freedom of speech.

Take a look at any thread about atheism, and tell me there isn't provocation there?

We can and we should poke holes in "sacred" bull****, if the "sacred" can't handle it then let them suffer.

This is the best example of American-style justice I have seen in this "un-holy war on terror", the first real backbone that isn't politically cleansed for "domestic consumption", the kind of thing that should have happened in Benghazi.

Two men show up, pull out guns and get taken out by a traffic cop.

If the US needed a new way to say "Don't Tread On Me", they have it in spades. They might think about this kind of **** in Paris, but not in ****ing Texas, now likely the safest place in the union.

The only good terrorists is a dead terrorist.

ReverendHellh0und · May 4, 2015

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CRUE CAB said:
Your point? Then again I doubt you could carry the equipment.

Bro, I carried that, and about 60+ lbs of comm gear. Please. lol

What did you do again?

ReverendHellh0und · May 4, 2015

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Goshin said:
I've heard different versions. I've heard that it was a security guard, I've heard that it was a cop, I've heard that it was an off-duty cop acting as a security guard. A security guard is an armed private citizen working in a security capacity, btw.

Dunno at this point for sure.

But the point is still valid even if it was a cop: as an armed society we have armed cops and armed security guards. In many countries where there is no right to arms to speak of, armed security guards are rare and even armed cops are uncommon.

And even if there had been none such present, this being Texas there's a fairly good chance the shooters would have run afoul of armed citizens soon enough, unless this venue prohibited civilian carry (as some do, even in Texas).

Final point being this sort of attempted mass shooting attack works far better in unarmed societies or "gun free zones" than elsewhere.

Almost all US mass shootings with a large body count took place in "gun free zones" or places where CCW was prohibited.

Exactly.... all the tacticool gear in the world is nothing compared to being in the right place, right time, while exercising your 2nd amendment.

VanceMack · May 4, 2015

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Fenton said:
I wonder if they would say that a girl in a bikini or wearing skimpy clothes should expect the consequence of being raped ?

Of course they would. Especially if the women wore the bikini in the presence of a Muslim or (GASP) WAS a Muslim. Then...for her honor, they would be obliged to kill her.

Goshin · May 4, 2015

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CRUE CAB said:
Your point? Then again I doubt you could carry the equipment.

When did this become about who could hump the heaviest ruck?

Fearandloathing · May 4, 2015

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Anglo-scot said:
The problem in this case is both. Vigilante violence by Islamic extremists is a problem no-one is disputing.

On freedom of speech, it's a right but not an absolute one. No right is absolute. So when the exercise of your freedom of speech foreseeably provokes violence from people who then put my life at risk, then my life comes first and your freedom of speech comes second. If only we lived in a better world without violent people who don't react to provocation. But we don't. So till we do, I'd like you to take it upon yourself to consider the impact that your freedom of speech could have, in advance of exercising it.

Think of freedom of speech like a fast car. If you look after it responsibly and drive safely, then it will go on for years and give you and others a lot of enjoyment. But if you drive it like a madman and run it into the ground, then you can expect your freedom to drive fast cars to be curtailed by your irresponsibility. Freedom of speech is to be cherished - groups like these people in Garland in fact treat it with contempt and risk its future for all of us.

Liberal bull****.

No man shall live in threat of his life for declaring that which be believes. The only exceptions are the inevitable shouting fire in a theatre.

FFS you people love to see Jesus depicted as a clown, gay, laughing on the cross, and Christians don't blow **** up, and if they did, you would have them hunted and killed. FFS, a girl in Indiana speculates about a pizza catered gay wedding and draws death threats, and not one liberal, from the President to whatever worm is running for the job had not one comment. They tacitly approved those death threats.

Now, here you are tacitly approving and excusing mob violence to silence free speech.

What we all love about "progressive" ethics is that they are as flexible as a snake

CRUE CAB · May 4, 2015

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Goshin said:
When did this become about who could hump the heaviest ruck?

When people want to rant about what certain equipment is used and when.

Fearandloathing · May 4, 2015

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VanceMack said:
Ah...its more of that "if you wear that skirt, its likely you will be raped" logic.

Beautiful!

Great call.

Don't be gay and no one will beat the **** out of you.

CRUE CAB · May 4, 2015

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ReverendHellh0und said:
Bro, I carried that, and about 60+ lbs of comm gear. Please. lol

What did you do again?

Plenty.

ReverendHellh0und · May 4, 2015

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CRUE CAB said:
Plenty.

Right,

Carry on.

CRUE CAB · May 4, 2015

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ReverendHellh0und said:
Right,

Carry on.

Your approval is not necessary.

Apocalypse · May 4, 2015

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Higgins86 said:
In this case it is as it's not like Islamic extremists have been keeping it a secret, If you host events like these you risk being attacked by some mentally unstable extremists. I just wish you could all take each other out like some sort of Darwin Battle Royale games.

So what, you believe people should be murdered for mocking others' religion? That's insane.

Blemonds · May 4, 2015

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Fenton said:
I wonder if they would say that a girl in a bikini or wearing skimpy clothes should expect the consequence of being raped ?

How far will they take it? You have the freedom to operate an abortion clinic, but you don't have freedom from the consequences.

ReverendHellh0und · May 4, 2015

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CRUE CAB said:
Your approval is not necessary.

What approval? for what now? I was simply retorting to your notion that I couldn't carry a basic plate carrier, carbine, pistole and tacticool hat. *shrug*

ReverendHellh0und · May 4, 2015

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Higgins86 said:
In this case it is as it's not like Islamic extremists have been keeping it a secret, If you host events like these you risk being attacked by some mentally unstable extremists. I just wish you could all take each other out like some sort of Darwin Battle Royale games.

since the athiests tend to be the most hostile to the religious, wouldn't that put you in great peril?

Fenton · May 4, 2015

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VanceMack said:
Of course they would. Especially if the women wore the bikini in the presence of a Muslim or (GASP) WAS a Muslim. Then...for her honor, they would be obliged to kill her.

Yep, and being Gay and a non-believer is a provocation to these people too.

People need to stop being Gay and Christian because if Islamist kill them then its kind of their fault.

CRUE CAB · May 4, 2015

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ReverendHellh0und said:
What approval? for what now? I was simply retorting to your notion that I couldn't carry a basic plate carrier, carbine, pistole and tacticool hat. *shrug*

I think the hat would put it over the top.

VanceMack · May 4, 2015

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Fenton said:
Yep, and being Gay and a non-believer is a provocation to these people too.

People need to stop being Gay and Christian because if Islamist kill them then its kind of their fault.

Oh...damn...forgot all about the gay thing. Images from Iran...and the answer my friend, was right there all along...blowing in the wind. Like...well...bodies from a bridge.

Redress · May 4, 2015

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jmotivator said:
You've only known one Muslim?

It is not exactly something I ask people: "hey, you a muslim?". I can only think off the top of my head of 2 people I know who are catholic, and I do not know any one who for sure is jewish. That is just not relevant to me, what religion people believe in.

Higgins86 · May 4, 2015

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ReverendHellh0und said:
since the athiests tend to be the most hostile to the religious, wouldn't that put you in great peril?

no mate each to their own for me, just don't try and blow up my trains, stop people being Gay etc. Basically I just want to be left alone lol

matchlight · May 4, 2015

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PoS said:
That is a recent development. If you mocked Christianity in some parts of the South back in the 1970's you would have been shot.

It is no such thing, contrary to your slander against this country. The First Amendment has guaranteed the freedom of speech against the federal government ever since 1791. And in Gitlow v. New York in 1925, the Supreme Court held that guarantee also applies against the states through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Your wild assertion that some imaginary assailant, at some unknown place, at some unspecified time during the 1970's, would have shot some unnamed person for mocking Christianity suggests you resent not only the United States, but also Christians and Southerners in particular. It is silly in any case, because asserting that one person would use illegal violence to silence a speaker says nothing whatever about his right to engage in the speech. For example, if a leftist were to show his contempt for free speech by murdering someone for burning President Obama in effigy, the murder would not show that the victim had had no legal right to burn the effigy.

Higgins86 · May 4, 2015

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Apocalypse said:
So what, you believe people should be murdered for mocking others' religion? That's insane.

I don't think they should be murdered but if they do end up getting hurt doing something stupid/provocative I will not shed a tear. Stupid is as stupid does.

End of the day we have massive issues with homegrown extremists right now and events like these don't really help.

Thrilla · May 4, 2015

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whomever that cops was that took at 2 attackers, with semi-auotmatic rifles, with his service pistol.. and killed them both where they stood... needs an award.

good shootin, my man.. good shootin'

oh, and I don't give a **** what you are saying.. a valid "consequence" for speech is not death.... contrary speech, absolutely... death?.. no.

to those of you whom speak, or even hint, as if they "had it comin'". you're an asshole, flat out.
you can have a rally of KKK affilliated, Nambla endorsed, ISIS sympathiizin', neo-nazi Hitler sychophants, that have a contest drawing Jesus, Mohhamed, and Buddha, using only thier own feces... and they are perfectly in the right to express themselves without fear of getting killed by anyone.

Fenton · May 4, 2015

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Higgins86 said:
I don't think they should be murdered but if they do end up getting hurt doing something stupid/provocative I will not shed a tear. Stupid is as stupid does.

End of the day we have massive issues with homegrown extremists right now and events like these don't really help.

Do you " shed a tear " when the Religion of peace " stones a Homosexual ?

Or a woman who was raped ?

Because they're being provacotlve.

Higgins86 · May 4, 2015

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Fenton said:
Do you " shed a tear " when the Religion of peace " stones a Homosexual ?

Or a woman who was raped ?

Because they're being provacotlve.

Yes I think it's horrible and I'm glad it doesn't go on in my country. If you knew anything about my postsin the Europe section I am anything but a defender of Islam however I am also not defender of stupidity and hosting a "lets draw the prophet" party is right up there with sticking a fork into a live toaster.

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