Two arrested after neighbors try to stop ICE agents from detaining Worcester mother

[Pyrite]

Why, as a Libertarian, do you want a heavily armed Federal Secret Police organization going around arresting citizens without warrant?

They are no more armed than any other law enforcement agency, they aren't SEEEEECRET, and they are arresting aliens as they've been doing for years and years and years.

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@Grizzly Adams, you're okay, then, with Federal police arresting people - perhaps people who are citizens - without warrants?

 

[dcsports]

No, as far as I'm concerned Republicans have done everything they can to avoid resolving our immigration issues to give them an issue to run against. Statuses change based on executive orders and short term band aids. Trump has stripped asylum status from groups he gave that status to in his first term. Trump is trying to erode birthright citizenship creating millions of more "illegals" he can deport. Republicans are constantly on the wrong side of issues, by large margins, on issues such as how to treat people brought to America as children.

That's the issue. Republicans want to pass tax cuts then go on Fox News to complain about immigration or DEI or whatever make believe issue their pensioners get worked up about.

I think you meant to say 'democrats' - as they're the ones that obstruct any effort to make reform - even where there's agreement. They agreed to work toward streamlining the process since the deal with Regan, and never made a real effort to do so.

 

[braindrain]

Shame on me for having sympathy for a woman and a baby. Obviously ICE should have brought a Bradly along with air support to yank that baby out of the mom's arms.

So if an illegal slips across the border with a baby they get to stay. Sounds like a stupid idea.

 

[braindrain]

roflmao

If that's what you think the issue is, you're completely ****ing lost​

No that is the issue. This is just another excuse by the left to stop illegal immigrants from being deported. They is always some excuse.

 

[braindrain]

Or things like the French Revolution...hehe...

Keep shrugging, keep defending. Tomorrow's headlines are being written today, and indifference breeds indifference. Today you get to shrug. Enjoy it. You guys are not on a unique trajectory, and every other time this trajectory has been tried, it hasn't ended well, says history.

Seeing as the vast majority of Americans want illegal immigrants deported I think your comparison is rather weak.

 

[Pyrite]

They have plainclothes officers who can arrest people (including citizens) without warrant, send people to foreign prisons without the most minimal fact-finding hearing, and do not answer FOIA requests. They are definitionally a secret police organization in practice and the exercise of their power.

They have always been a terrible organization, staffed by terrible people (Tom Homan was appointed by Barack Obama to his lasting shame). And now they are sending innocent people to rot in foreign prisons. Again, I am just wondering why you, as a Libertarian, like them so much. Or, if you do not like them, why you are so quick to defend them. I mean, is Libertarianism just your way of saying you are a Republican and you hate Social Security and Medicare for the elderly? Or do you actually believe in civil liberties and Constitutionally protected rights, but just very particular ones for a very, very select group of people?

"...Send people to foreign prisons without the most minimal fact-finding hearing, and do not answer FOIA requests."

Unidentified thugs' detaining and arresting people (including citizens) is bad enough. But when you add in the last two elements (copied and pasted above), you realize the powers accorded to ICE are terrifying. We are essentially a police state.

 

[braindrain]

It's not the answer, but we might see it if government insists on exercising its power improperly.

What is improper about ice detaining people that are in this country illegally.

 

[braindrain]

Are you saying we can't secure our borders and handle immigration without violating people's constitutional rights?

I doubt you'd give up your 2A right so easily and I wouldn't either. ALL our rights need to be protected and the government is using "those" people to sneakily go against us. You can be with the government, it's your right to choose, but I prefer our rights.

What constitutional rights were violated in this incident.

Please be specific.

If you mean illegal immigrants by those people, then ice detaining and deporting them is not sneakily going ain’t us, it is in fact exactly what the law calls for and what most Americans want to happen.

Again people who are citizens don’t have a constitutional right to be in this country and deporting those here illegally isn’t violating any rights.

 

[braindrain]

I have zero clue, I just know that I personally would be livid if I saw some lady dragged out of her house like that. I think enough people were told that immigrant gangs and hardened criminals were all over the country that they supported Trump. Now the reality is out there, and it's stuff like this dominating ICE apprehensions, and people don't like what they're seeing.

There's not millions of hardened criminals, it's immigrant families working. It's not rapists, it's mothers.

Who are here illegally and need to be deported.

But here again we see the left supporting illegal immigration and not wanting them to be deported.

It’s funny how over and over again someone from the left will claim that no one on the lefts supports illegal immigrants and yet every thread about illegals being deported there are multiple left wing people being upset that illegals are being deported.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

No that is the issue. This is just another excuse by the left to stop illegal immigrants from being deported. They is always some excuse.

a map may not be enough help you

 

[Elmo]

No one has sentenced Garcia to die.
Don't be so hyperbolic.

No one has sentenced him AT ALL. Which is the ****ing problem. How long is he going to be in prison Jay? 6 months? 10 years? Life? Kind of hard to say WITHOUT A SENTENCE. Now what do you think the difference is between life in prison, and a prison sentence WITHOUT AN END DATE?

 

[iliveonramen]

Who are here illegally and need to be deported.

But here again we see the left supporting illegal immigration and not wanting them to be deported.

It’s funny how over and over again someone from the left will claim that no one on the lefts supports illegal immigrants and yet every thread about illegals being deported there are multiple left wing people being upset that illegals are being deported.

It's crazy how an immigration bill with strict enforcement of the border and laws that would finally resolve issues like Dreamers and asylum seekers was sunk by conservatives. At this point it just seems like racism porn for conservatives. The goal is to see brown people pulled out of their homes, not resolve the issues.

 

[Elmo]

I call it being sent back to one's native country.
That was a free airline trip.

Venezuela and El Salvador are two entirely different countries. We sent 200+ Venezuelans to a prison in El Salvador. We are literally paying the government to keep them there.

 

[iliveonramen]

I think you meant to say 'democrats' - as they're the ones that obstruct any effort to make reform - even where there's agreement. They agreed to work toward streamlining the process since the deal with Regan, and never made a real effort to do so.

Really? Because in 2024 there was a bill written by Mitch McConnell with support from both parties that included a lot of enforcement provisions and finally resolved issues with people like Dreamers and asylum seekers. It was going to pass, until Trump decided a broken immigration system was better for his election.

 

[iliveonramen]

So if an illegal slips across the border with a baby they get to stay. Sounds like a stupid idea.

Well, not everyone is worried about "dangerous" mothers and children escaping failed states. I guess some of us are just a bit tougher than others.

 

[Absentglare]

No one has sentenced Garcia to die.
Don't be so hyperbolic.

It wasn’t just Garcia sent to CECOT. You think they’ll be let free? When? How?

The only way out of CECOT is in a body bag.

 

[braindrain]

Perhaps. But my goal is to have all officers of ICE fired for violating their oaths to uphold the Constitution, barred from service in other Federal agencies, and their pensions seized and donated to a victims’ fund.

And I am sure you have prove that all members of ice have violated their others right? I am sure you will be posting that any minute now.

But let’s be honest we both know that your real issue is simply that you don’t want illegal immigrants deported. If ice was disbanded and a completely new agency with all new people created it wold only be a matter of days after they deported the first person before you would be back on here demanding they get disbanded as well.

 

[Absentglare]

That just sounds like ICE with extra steps.


Unless your position is that all enforcement of immigration laws is inherently bad, then there needs to be some sort of agency to enforce them. I'm indifferent as to whether it's called ICE or some big, beautiful new agency that only hires the best people. The brand name of the agency is not particularly important.

I can understand them hunting down and ambushing known violent criminals.

A lot of these people are just normal folks who live and work here. Members of our communities who might clean our houses or mow our lawns. There’s no crucial national security need for these violent political theatrics.

 

[ataraxia]

Honesty even late is better then never.

yes. That’s why we should all just go run around chasing after cat eating Haitians, cancer causing wind, turbines, secret Kenyan birth certificates, stolen, presidential elections, and other such honest things.

 

[braindrain]

Well, not everyone is worried about "dangerous" mothers and children escaping failed states. I guess some of us are just a bit tougher than others.

Wanting the laws of this nation enforced has nothing to do with being worried but I get you are desperate to defect.

Any excuse to justify you supporting illegal immigration huh.

 

[braindrain]

yes. That’s why we should all just go run around chasing after cat eating Haitians, cancer causing wind, turbines, secret Kenyan birth certificates, stolen, presidential elections, and other such honest things.

Your desperation to defect from the topic is rather hilarious.

 

[braindrain]

a map may not be enough help you

That personal attacks is all you have is not very surprising.

 

[Gatsby]

I can understand them hunting down and ambushing known violent criminals.

A lot of these people are just normal folks who live and work here. Members of our communities who might clean our houses or mow our lawns. There’s no crucial national security need for these violent political theatrics.

The position that we can't deport anyone here illegally unless they're a violent criminal...is simply not politically sustainable. To quote David Frum, "If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do."

We can and should expand legal immigration. That doesn't mean we let in just anyone though. There are hundreds of millions - perhaps billions - of people who would like to move to America. Obviously it's not possible to take them all, which necessarily means saying no to lots of them.

 

[dcsports]

Really? Because in 2024 there was a bill written by Mitch McConnell with support from both parties that included a lot of enforcement provisions and finally resolved issues with people like Dreamers and asylum seekers. It was going to pass, until Trump decided a broken immigration system was better for his election.

Really. Good example.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I think you meant to say 'democrats' - as they're the ones that obstruct any effort to make reform - even where there's agreement. They agreed to work toward streamlining the process since the deal with Regan, and never made a real effort to do so.

Donald Trump killed the bipartisan border bill to save his campaign​

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Senate Republicans block bipartisan border package, scrapping deal they had demanded from Democrats​

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