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Two arrested after neighbors try to stop ICE agents from detaining Worcester mother

Absentglare said:
www.boston.com

Two arrested after neighbors try to stop ICE agents from detaining Worcester mother

Worcester police arrested the teen girl after her mother was detained by ICE to charge her with reckless endangerment of a child and more.
www.boston.com

There is still courage in these United States.

I hope, in 100 years, we don’t have history students reading The Diary of a Young Girl by Ana Francisco about a Hispanic girl, hiding in an attic.
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They broke the law. Congress, mayor or not, they broke the law.
"No one is bigger than the law." Except these loud mouth democrats.
 
jaypatriot said:
You call resistance to ICE 'courage'.
I call it stupidity. They know the law. Just like that idiot Wisconsin judge knew the law when she aided in the defiance of ICE's lawful arrest of that illegal alien in the courthouse.

Your last sentence is ridiculous. Why don't you just shout:
TRUMP IS A NAZI!! and just be done with it?
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I think sentencing someone to die in an El Salvadorian prison with no due process is a horrible thing. You support this kind of stuff?
 
Lutherf said:
If you want to pick and choose what laws are enforced and which are abandoned that's fine for you but, and I know this is hard to wrap your head around, but you aren't the only one in this country that has an opinion about such things and you're opinions matters not a lick more than any of the others.
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I know I'm not, his approval rating on immigration has dropped from above 50% to basically splitting the country on the matter. It's the only thing he's above water on and it's barely.

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Opposing Trump's lawlessness is one thing. More of that, please. Opposing the existence of ICE and the existence of deportations and the existence of immigration laws is a bad take. This isn't it, folks. That's a dead end.
 
iliveonramen said:
I know I'm not, his approval rating on immigration has dropped from above 50% to basically splitting the country on the matter. It's the only thing he's above water on and it's barely.

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So, as far as you're concerned, it's fine to ignore immigration law as long as some internet poll says it's a good plan? I'm not so sure that's a good way to gauge whether something is Constitutional or not.
 
Can someone point to where in the article the immigration status of the mother was noted?
 
Lutherf said:
So, as far as you're concerned, it's fine to ignore immigration law as long as some internet poll says it's a good plan? I'm not so sure that's a good way to gauge whether something is Constitutional or not.
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No, as far as I'm concerned Republicans have done everything they can to avoid resolving our immigration issues to give them an issue to run against. Statuses change based on executive orders and short term band aids. Trump has stripped asylum status from groups he gave that status to in his first term. Trump is trying to erode birthright citizenship creating millions of more "illegals" he can deport. Republicans are constantly on the wrong side of issues, by large margins, on issues such as how to treat people brought to America as children.

That's the issue. Republicans want to pass tax cuts then go on Fox News to complain about immigration or DEI or whatever make believe issue their pensioners get worked up about.
 
Gatsby said:
Opposing Trump's lawlessness is one thing. More of that, please. Opposing the existence of ICE and the existence of deportations and the existence of immigration laws is a bad take. This isn't it, folks. That's a dead end.
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Sorry, but capitulating to the right on any issue has never worked. And if you try to bring up Bill Clinton’s strategy of triangulation, that worked exactly once when I and I assume you were both in grade school. The agency itself is engaging in lawlessness, from top to bottom. Its membership are, put gently, scumbags. We do not need ICE or its agents. We can create a new agency with a brand new staff of a far-higher caliber.

EDIT: by the way, how can one fight a Presidency engaged in lawlessness but simultaneously not attack the agencies engaged in lawlessness, with agents often seen and recorded gleefully violating people’s rights like they are cartoon villains?
 
Absentglare said:
I think sentencing someone to die in an El Salvadorian prison with no due process is a horrible thing. You support this kind of stuff?
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No one has sentenced Garcia to die.
Don't be so hyperbolic.
 
iliveonramen said:
No, as far as I'm concerned Republicans have done everything they can to avoid resolving our immigration issues to give them an issue to run against. Statuses change based on executive orders and short term band aids. Trump has stripped asylum status from groups he gave that status to in his first term. Trump is trying to erode birthright citizenship creating millions of more "illegals" he can deport. Republicans are constantly on the wrong side of issues, by large margins, on issues such as how to treat people brought to America as children.

That's the issue. Republicans want to pass tax cuts then go on Fox News to complain about immigration or DEI or whatever make believe issue their pensioners get worked up about.
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Trump was trying to STOP the illegal immigration problem in his first administration but Pelosi, even after getting 90% of what she asked for, shot all that down.
 
Felis Leo said:
Sorry, but capitulating to the right on any issue has never worked. And if you try to bring up Bill Clinton’s strategy of triangulation, that worked exactly once when I and I assume you were both in grade school. The agency itself is engaging in lawlessness, from top to bottom. Its membership are, put gently, scumbags. We do not need ICE or its agents. We can create a new agency with a brand new staff of a far-higher caliber.
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That just sounds like ICE with extra steps.

EDIT: by the way, how can one fight a Presidency engaged in lawlessness but simultaneously not attack the agencies engaged in lawlessness, with agents often seen and recorded gleefully violating people’s rights like they are cartoon villains?
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Unless your position is that all enforcement of immigration laws is inherently bad, then there needs to be some sort of agency to enforce them. I'm indifferent as to whether it's called ICE or some big, beautiful new agency that only hires the best people. The brand name of the agency is not particularly important.
 
jaypatriot said:
No one has sentenced Garcia to die.
Don't be so hyperbolic.
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You're right. He wasn't sentenced to die. He was sentenced to live the remainder of his life in a cage illegally.

When did coming to this country seeking asylum become a life sentence?
 
Felis Leo said:
Sorry, but capitulating to the right on any issue has never worked. And if you try to bring up Bill Clinton’s strategy of triangulation, that worked exactly once when I and I assume you were both in grade school. The agency itself is engaging in lawlessness, from top to bottom. Its membership are, put gently, scumbags. We do not need ICE or its agents. We can create a new agency with a brand new staff of a far-higher caliber.

EDIT: by the way, how can one fight a Presidency engaged in lawlessness but simultaneously not attack the agencies engaged in lawlessness, with agents often seen and recorded gleefully violating people’s rights like they are cartoon villains?
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Felis,
Maybe one way to assuage your pique is to change the acronym ICE to NICE.
They are part of the new Nice Immigrant Collaborative Executors.
You wouldn't even know they changed agencies.
But, of course, they would need lessons in how to deal with pain-in-the-ass state officials who should know better than to interfere with ICE arresting politicians obstructing the execution of federal laws.
Not surprising it happened in a sanctuary city in a sanctuary state.
 
Tettsuo said:
You're right. He wasn't sentenced to die. He was sentenced to live the remainder of his life in a cage illegally.

When did coming to this country seeking asylum become a life sentence?
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Well, my grandparents, Hispanic on one side and Italian on the other came here well over a century ago seeking asylum from bad conditions in Mexico and Italy.
They did just fine well into the 20th century.
 
jaypatriot said:
Well, my grandparents, Hispanic on one side and Italian on the other came here well over a century ago seeking asylum from bad conditions in Mexico and Italy.
They did just fine well into the 20th century.
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And that's a beautiful story of America.

Trump is burning the potential for others to do what your grandparents did to the ground. And the Right cheers before the burning embers of the American dream, those coming to this country have embraced.
 
ICE is Trump's own brown shirts. Things are going to get much uglier.
 
Felis Leo said:
I know they do not agree with me. But then, most Americans writ large did not care about the border until Republicans spent years using the American right-wing multimedia apparatus drumming up fear about it. They will slowly go back to not caring about it in due time until the conservative media apparatus starts making people care about it once more.
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Any faked up demon it takes to keep their base from ever holding the rich accountable.
 
jaypatriot said:
Felis,
Maybe one way to assuage your pique is to change the acronym ICE to NICE.
They are part of the new Nice Immigrant Collaborative Executors.
You wouldn't even know they changed agencies.
But, of course, they would need lessons in how to deal with pain-in-the-ass state officials who should know better than to interfere with ICE arresting politicians obstructing the execution of federal laws.
Not surprising it happened in a sanctuary city in a sanctuary state.
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Perhaps. But my goal is to have all officers of ICE fired for violating their oaths to uphold the Constitution, barred from service in other Federal agencies, and their pensions seized and donated to a victims’ fund.
 
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Lutherf said:
Trump was trying to STOP the illegal immigration problem in his first administration but Pelosi, even after getting 90% of what she asked for, shot all that down.
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Not even close. It was an immigration bill full of things Trump wanted and didn't include anything about Dreamers or asylum speakers or things Democrats wanted.

The 2024 immigration bill was negotiated by Dems and Republicans with McConnel writing the bill and broad support in both parties. Until Trump decided to make it an issue on the campaign trail and force Republicans to kill it.

It's obvious why he did it, you can't have a bill that takes the wind out of your campaign. Keep it broken because that's more important than fixing it.
 
Felis Leo said:
Perhaps. But my goal is to have all officers of ICE fired for violating their oaths to uphold the Constitution, barred from service in other Federal agencies, and their pensions seized donated to a victims’ fund.
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The day those brown shirt ICE agents are held accountable you know exactly what they'll say.

"I was just following orders."
 
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