Two arrested after neighbors try to stop ICE agents from detaining Worcester mother (1 Viewer)

[Absentglare]

The position that we can't deport anyone here illegally unless they're a violent criminal...is simply not politically sustainable. To quote David Frum, "If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do."

We can and should expand legal immigration. That doesn't mean we let in just anyone though. There are hundreds of millions - perhaps billions - of people who would like to move to America. Obviously it's not possible to take them all, which necessarily means saying no to lots of them.

We grant asylum to refugees because, around WW2, nobody wanted to accept all the Jewish refugees. We sent them to a British colony in Palestine and gave them their own land. That’s been an ongoing catastrophe, basically since its inception.

We decided we are going to let refugees, innocent people fleeing certain violence, come here, to be safe here. We have a legal process to ascertain the validity of their claims. If we decide that their claim is not sufficient, we don’t then throw those poor souls in prison as “illegal immigrants”, they’re just claimants who were denied. We can’t just go further and abuse them because it’s good TV for Trump.

 

[Gatsby]

We grant asylum to refugees because, around WW2, nobody wanted to accept all the Jewish refugees. We sent them to a British colony in Palestine and gave them their own land. That’s been an ongoing catastrophe, basically since its inception.

Refugees and asylum seekers are two different groups. Refugees are (at least in theory) well-vetted and their numbers are determined before they ever arrive here. That's fine. For our humanitarian immigrants, a larger proportion should be refugees and a smaller proportion should be asylum seekers. That means tightening up the law on who qualifies for asylum and expanding immigration courts to process them faster.

We decided we are going to let refugees, innocent people fleeing certain violence, come here, to be safe here. We have a legal process to ascertain the validity of their claims. If we decide that their claim is not sufficient, we don’t then throw those poor souls in prison as “illegal immigrants”, they’re just claimants who were denied. We can’t just go further and abuse them because it’s good TV for Trump.

Correct.

 

[Absentglare]

Refugees and asylum seekers are two different groups. Refugees are (at least in theory) well-vetted and their numbers are determined before they ever arrive here. That's fine. For our humanitarian immigrants, a larger proportion should be refugees and a smaller proportion should be asylum seekers. That means tightening up the law on who qualifies for asylum and expanding immigration courts to process them faster.


Correct.

Good, then we have common ground. I believe there should be a minimum of respect and fairness given to all people who are being taken into custody by our government.

If there are people who came here and overstayed their visas, if they live here, if they pay our taxes, if they (otherwise) obey our laws, if we didn’t even notice they were here until we came searching for them, what’s the big freaking deal anyway? Is it really worth all these officers time to lock up this woman?

Fundamentally, I don’t trust ICE to police itself, but that’s the situation Trump has supercharged. ICE officers are providing all of the oversight, they’re cutting judges out of the process. I know they’re trying to make a show of rounding people up, of doing these scare tactics.

Excessive police force is not a good sign.

 

[OlNate]

Seeing as the vast majority of Americans want illegal immigrants deported I think your comparison is rather weak.

No, you're right, the vast majority of people in America are perfectly happy, nothing to worry about. I was probably thinking of another country in the process of flushing itself down the toilet, carry on.

 

[CLAX1911]

Two arrested after neighbors try to stop ICE agents from detaining Worcester mother

Worcester police arrested the teen girl after her mother was detained by ICE to charge her with reckless endangerment of a child and more.

www.boston.com

There is still courage in these United States.

I hope, in 100 years, we don’t have history students reading The Diary of a Young Girl by Ana Francisco about a Hispanic girl, hiding in an attic.

Good you shouldn't obstruct police.

 

[braindrain]

No, you're right, the vast majority of people in America are perfectly happy, nothing to worry about. I was probably thinking of another country in the process of flushing itself down the toilet, carry on.

I see you are a big fan of strawman.

And sorry but I simply don’t care too much about the opinions of a Canadian about what the US is doing.

 

[OlNate]

I see you are a big fan of strawman.

And sorry but I simply don’t care too much about the opinions of a Canadian about what the US is doing.

Yet you keep responding. Weird.

I mean, don't get me wrong, your posts are inspirational, I'm learning ever so much, so I appreciate that you are, it's just weird that you say you don't care but you keep showing up in my notifications. In fact, I was just over here thanking my lucky stars that you are talking to me at all, given that I certainly wasn't talking to you.

Probably just my dumb Canadian brain failing to grasp the situation again. Yeah.. I'm sure that's it.

 

[iliveonramen]

Wanting the laws of this nation enforced has nothing to do with being worried but I get you are desperate to defect.

Any excuse to justify you supporting illegal immigration huh.

I'm not deflecting. We have a broken immigration system, on purpose, because the President wanted to run on immigration. Rather than doing nothing, while a bill passed Congress that would resolve a lot of these outstanding issues, he sunk the bill.

The President ran on violent criminals coming across the border, not stripping groups like Venezuelans of their asylum status. Not shipping asylum seekers to Libya. Not deporting people born in the country and stripping birthright citizenship.

For a group the pretends this about law, you sure seem to be really supportive of him consistently breaking laws with his immigration policy.

So, you can stop with your fake self righteousness. No one is fooled.

 

[braindrain]

Yet you keep responding. Weird.

I mean, don't get me wrong, your posts are inspirational, I'm learning ever so much, so I appreciate that you are, it's just weird that you say you don't care but you keep showing up in my notifications. In fact, I was just over here thanking my lucky stars that you are talking to me at all, given that I certainly wasn't talking to you.

Probably just my dumb Canadian brain failing to grasp the situation again. Yeah.. I'm sure that's it.

Pointing out the dishonest nonsense you post is does not mean I care about your opinion. But nice try though.

It’s a public forum. Sorry that fact bothers you and I will respond to and any post I feel like responding to.

Your struggle to grasp things has nothing to do with you being Canadian. Yet that doesn’t make that struggle any less obvious.

 

[iliveonramen]

Really. Good example.

No idea how Trump sinking a bipartisan immigration bill written by the Republican Senate leader is an example of how Democrats don't want to resolve immigration, but I'm sure in your brain that makes sense.

 

[Pyrite]

Who are here illegally and need to be deported.

But here again we see the left supporting illegal immigration and not wanting them to be deported.

It’s funny how over and over again someone from the left will claim that no one on the lefts supports illegal immigrants and yet every thread about illegals being deported there are multiple left wing people being upset that illegals are being deported.

After being according due process.

Rounding up, detaining, and renditioning unidentified people - some of whom could be citizens - doesn't fit the "due process" requirement.

 

[Pyrite]

No idea how Trump sinking a bipartisan immigration bill written by the Republican Senate leader is an example of how Democrats don't want to resolve immigration, but I'm sure in your brain that makes sense.

Too bad trump wanted to exploit immigration as a campaign issue - and too bad his GOPers went along with scuttling their bipartisan bill.

Prove that Republicans do not want to mitigate, much the less resolve, any immigration-related issues.

 

[iliveonramen]

No you talking about anyone being worried because they want the laws of this country enforced and talking about how much tougher you are was a pretty pathetic attempt to deflect.

Do we to go over over instances of where Trump is ignoring courts and their rulings, or are we going to pretend that doesn't exist while you pretend that the law matters to you.

The immigration system has been

 

[jaypatriot]

Venezuela and El Salvador are two entirely different countries. We sent 200+ Venezuelans to a prison in El Salvador. We are literally paying the government to keep them there.

I was referring to Garcia going back to his native country.

 

[jaypatriot]

No one has sentenced him AT ALL. Which is the ****ing problem. How long is he going to be in prison Jay? 6 months? 10 years? Life? Kind of hard to say WITHOUT A SENTENCE. Now what do you think the difference is between life in prison, and a prison sentence WITHOUT AN END DATE?

You seem to believe I should have personal feelings about Garcia being deported back to his native country.
How many of those 161 Venezuelans do you personally care about?
It is unfortunate all of them were not brought before a judge individually and with great deliberation to verify their deportation.
I think you should make sure Trump is never elected again - in this country.

 

[braindrain]

I'm not deflecting. We have a broken immigration system, on purpose, because the President wanted to run on immigration. Rather than doing nothing, while a bill passed Congress that would resolve a lot of these outstanding issues, he sunk the bill.

The President ran on violent criminals coming across the border, not stripping groups like Venezuelans of their asylum status. Not shipping asylum seekers to Libya. Not deporting people born in the country and stripping birthright citizenship.

For a group the pretends this about law, you sure seem to be really supportive of him consistently breaking laws with his immigration policy.

So, you can stop with your fake self righteousness. No one is fooled.

No you talking about anyone being worried because they want the laws of this country enforced and talking about how much tougher you are was a pretty pathetic attempt to deflect.

The immigration system has been broken for a long time now and the left own just as much blame for that as the right. And that bill had some good parts as well as plenty of bad parts. But let’s not pretending that Biden acting like there was no issue for the first three years did anything but make the problem worse.


Please find a single post of mine supporting him breaking the law. Because I can find plenty of posts of mine calling him out for it and stating he needs to be in jail.

But hey I guess if we are just making shit up then I guess it’s just as easy for me to claim you are simply for open borders because you hope illegals will help you win elections in the future right?
I mean made up bs is made up bs.

 

[braindrain]

After being according due process.

Rounding up, detaining, and renditioning unidentified people - some of whom could be citizens - doesn't fit the "due process" requirement.

And your evidence that there was no due process in this case is what exactly.

 

[braindrain]

Do we to go over over instances of where Trump is ignoring courts and their rulings, or are we going to pretend that doesn't exist while you pretend that the law matters to you.

It’s funny seeing you claim you are not deflecting while going straight from one defection to the next.

But just fyi your defections would be more effective if they were not just straight up lies.
You will not find a single post of mine supporting Trump ignoring court rulings or breaking the law while I can quote numerous posts of mine claiming he should be in jail.

But hey I see failing is getting to be a common theme for you.

 

[dcsports]

No idea how Trump sinking a bipartisan immigration bill written by the Republican Senate leader is an example of how Democrats don't want to resolve immigration[deflection removed]

Great example of democrats poisoning the process to sink a bipartisan effort.

 

[OlNate]

Pointing out the dishonest nonsense you post is does not mean I care about your opinion. But nice try though.

It’s a public forum. Sorry that fact bothers you and I will respond to and any post I feel like responding to.

Your struggle to grasp things has nothing to do with you being Canadian. Yet that doesn’t make that struggle any less obvious.

Look, another post from the guy who doesn't care. This must be my lucky day, my cup overfloweth.

Please, share more.

 

[braindrain]

Look, another post from the guy who doesn't care. This must be my lucky day, my cup overfloweth.

Please, share more.

Again that you struggle with understand that me posting on this site for entertainment doesn’t mean I care about your opinion.
But thank you for proving my point about your struggles grasping concepts.

 

[Elmo]

I was referring to Garcia going back to his native country.

Yes, and you continue to claim that he was merely deported. Imprisonment without a release date, and deportation, are two entirely different things. And your pretense is made even more ridiculous by the fact that he was sent to a prison in El Salvador on the same plane as a bunch of Venezuelans who have absolutely nothing to do with that country. That is not how deportation works.

You seem to believe I should have personal feelings about Garcia being deported back to his native country.
How many of those 161 Venezuelans do you personally care about?

It's true, you got me. I don't personally care about any of them. Of course, it is pretty hard to get personally invested in them because we literally DON'T KNOW WHO THE **** THEY ARE. The administration won't even give us their names. We don't know what specifically they are accused of, let alone any evidence against them. We don't know that they're criminals, we don't even know that they're illegals.

Which brings us to another obvious point which you somehow are not seeing. This isn't about those people, it is about our rights. If government agents can throw people in a foreign prison without having to prove their accusations, without any oversight, without a release date, that is an enormous problem. Hell, they apparently can't even get people back if mistakes are made. It's absurd.

It is unfortunate all of them were not brought before a judge individually and with great deliberation to verify their deportation.
I think you should make sure Trump is never elected again - in this country.

Yeah, I know you don't care. You just want 'those people' gone and you don't care how it gets done. Fine, carry on not caring. Just stop insulting everyone's intelligence with these IDIOTIC arguments. No, Garcia did not just get a "free plane ticket". He is in prison, probably forever. Trump is not merely deporting people to their home countries, he is paying a foreign government to abuse them where our legal system cannot intervene.

 

[Absentglare]

Good you shouldn't obstruct police.

So you think that the person hiding Anne Frank was the villain of the story?

 

[CLAX1911]

So you think that the person hiding Anne Frank was the villain of the story?

Who's being exterminated right now?

 

[Absentglare]

Who's being exterminated right now?

So you can obstruct police only when you know extermination is happening.

Well, the Nazis hid their extermination by calling it “deportation”, and they were deporting the Jews into prisons in other countries like Poland. So, people didn’t know extermination was happening, therefore you believe that they should have given Anne Frank over to the Nazis. Is that right?