• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

Mason66 said:
Do you really not know what is going on in the country right now?

I see this was a Honda Accord, but Dodge products are being stolen by bands of kids to either joy ride them or to strip them.

We are talking about the Challenger, Charger, Durango and many more models.

The owners have to do what ever they can to prevent the theft. Their insurance pays out what the car is worth, not what they have in the car.

Each one of those that are part of the band of thieves should be taken out.
Click to expand...
I think the moral of the story here is, don't touch someone else's $#!t!
 
Bodi said:
@RaleBulgarian and some others claim that is not a deterrent though.
Click to expand...
Irrefutable proof that the death penalty isn’t a sufficient deterrent against capital crimes sits is in every prison in every state that allows the penalty.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Irrefutable proof that the death penalty isn’t a sufficient deterrent against capital crimes sits is in every prison in every state that allows the penalty.
Click to expand...

Proof that those guys were not deterred. The other 8 billion of us not in jail were deterred.


.
 
MamboDervish said:
No. The other 8 billion of us simply didn't become criminals. Deterrence likely had nothing to do with it.
Click to expand...

If there were no laws to deter people from committing crimes we would live in and be raised in a State of Nature. Lawlessness prevails. We would be raised in a society where you can take what you want and hurt who you want. Deterrence has everything to do with creating a Social Contract with the people. We agree to obey laws and the government protects our rights. It is one of the most basic and fundamental concepts that we have.


.
 
To understand whether or not any known punishment for a particular crime serves as a detterent, it helps if we take into consideration the criminal archetype, which is the young male in their late teens and early 20's. That age group commits the most overall crime. There are a multitude of factors as to why, but most glaring is the fact that the frontal lobe of the male human brain, which controls impulse control, is not fully formed until age 25 or later, sometimes into age 30 or above. Young males simply act on impulse regularly, and as such, they more than likely don't think about such trivial things as getting hurt doing stupid and dangerous shit, or busted by the cops for committing crime.
 
Bodi said:
If there were no laws to deter people from committing crimes we would live in and be raised in a State of Nature. Lawlessness prevails. We would be raised in a society where you can take what you want and hurt who you want. Deterrence has everything to do with creating a Social Contract with the people. We agree to obey laws and the government protects our rights. It is one of the most basic and fundamental concepts that we have.
Click to expand...
I reject the contention that without deterrence, everyone would become a criminal. Most people, most of the time, would certainly not. Although I recognize that without deterrence, vigilantism would become more widespread, because people have an innate need for justice, and would be willing to succumb to a mob mentality absent any law enforcement.

But that said, we certainly know that capital punishment is not a deterrent, and never has been. The murder rates are no different in states with capital punishment than in those without. As such, one must carefully define what one even thinks deterrence is. If the death penalty does not deter, then what does?
??

🤷‍♂️
 
MamboDervish said:
I reject the contention that without deterrence, everyone would become a criminal. Most people, most of the time, would certainly not. Although I recognize that without deterrence, vigilantism would become more widespread, because people have an innate need for justice, and would be willing to succumb to a mob mentality absent any law enforcement.

But that said, we certainly know that capital punishment is not a deterrent, and never has been. The murder rates are no different in states with capital punishment than in those without. As such, one must carefully define what one even thinks deterrence is. If the death penalty does not deter, then what does?
??

🤷‍♂️
Click to expand...

I was talkin about Crime... not Murder. The reason punishment is not a deterrent for murder and other major felonies is because those crimes are committed by sociopaths and other severely messed up people.
 
Bodi said:
I was talkin about Crime... not Murder. The reason punishment is not a deterrent for murder and other major felonies is because those crimes are committed by sociopaths and other severely messed up people.
Click to expand...
OK. Murder is not a crime. Whatever you say.
 
MamboDervish said:
OK. Murder is not a crime. Whatever you say.
Click to expand...

For ****s sake... I was talking about MURDER SPECIFICALLY and not CRIME IN GENERAL. Does that help? jeez..
 
Bodi said:
For ****s sake... I was talking about MURDER SPECIFICALLY and not CRIME IN GENERAL. Does that help? jeez..
Click to expand...
I think you accidentally reversed those two. With MURDER SPECIFICALLY, we've established that there is no deterrence.
 
Two punks now dead..... too bad
 
MamboDervish said:
I think you accidentally reversed those two. With MURDER SPECIFICALLY, we've established that there is no deterrence.
Click to expand...

There are deterrence's... they just are not as effective for Murder.


.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom