Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

[CLAX1911]

No more than anybody else driving a car. Your desperate overreach is embarrassing.

13 year old car theifs?

Uh, no. And for the last time, because I can see that you will never admit that unless a person is in your house, or on your property, or directly endangering you, shooting someone for theft alone is a felony. Period. End of discussion.

So you're just supposed to let people steal from you?

You have no ****ing idea what my world view is, so don't bother making one up just to satisfy your own fantasy.

Well you just told it to me. 13-year-olds are allowed to steal and you're just supposed to let them.

 

[MamboDervish]

The evil in our society is growing out of control. We have to do something.

?? Growing out of control ?? Growing since when? Just out of curiosity, what makes you think "the evil in our society" is any different than it was, say 25 years ago? or 50 years ago?? or 75 years ago???

100??

 

[Lord of Planar]

?? Growing out of control ?? Growing since when? Just out of curiosity, what makes you think "the evil in our society" is any different than it was, say 25 years ago? or 50 years ago?? or 75 years ago???

100??

I don't know about 75 years ago, but I can attest to 60 years ago.

Things are so much worse.

 

[Lord of Planar]

100??

100 years ago, a horse thief would be hung.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Why?

Some people steal drugs. What is the person needing them died because they didn't have their meds?

What if a family was expecting a baby. the woman's water breaks, and they go out to the car to find it gone. Their 5 minute trip to the hospital may now take long enough and if a complicated pregnancy, result in death.

The possibilities are the problem.

The intent to deprive another person of anything in the first degree should never be tolerated.

Definitely not tolerated, but not executed for stealing a car.

Their are different levels of violent crimes even. I am speaking of crimes that are premeditated.

Premeditation certainly should always considered as an aggravating factor, possibly justifying an “enhanced” sentence.

So we need to do something about it. Right?

Not execute car thieves.

Maybe because we do not sentence harsh enough.

That even the death penalty doesn’t deter violent offenders proves your assertion wrong.

 

[Lord of Planar]

That even the death penalty doesn’t deter violent offenders proves your assertion wrong.

But they can never do it again.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

But they can never do it again.

Leaving even more that aren’t deterred to take their place.

Not a solution.

 

[Peter]

Why?

Some people steal drugs. What is the person needing them died because they didn't have their meds?

What if a family was expecting a baby. the woman's water breaks, and they go out to the car to find it gone. Their 5 minute trip to the hospital may now take long enough and if a complicated pregnancy, result in death.

The possibilities are the problem.

The intent to deprive another person of anything in the first degree should never be tolerated.

Their are different levels of violent crimes even. I am speaking of crimes that are premeditated.

So we need to do something about it. Right?

Maybe because we do not sentence harsh enough.

The US has the highest prison population in the world and you think you don't treat crimes harsh enough?
How many people need to be in prison for it to be enough?

 

[Peter]

But they can never do it again.

It sucks for the people who are wrongly arrested and killed.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The US has the highest prison population in the world and you think you don't treat crimes harsh enough?

Yep.

Criminals are not detoured enough.

How many people need to be in prison for it to be enough?

Less I would hope, when criminals start thinking of what may happen to them.

 

[MamboDervish]

I don't know about 75 years ago, but I can attest to 60 years ago.

Things are so much worse.

I guess it must depend on where you are. Things are much better here. Compared to when I grew up, there's almost no crime at all. They used to be rough here in the city, especially in the 70's thru mid 80's.

Things are so much better.

 

[Lord of Planar]

It sucks for the people who are wrongly arrested and killed.

True, but so is jail time.

 

[MamboDervish]

100 years ago, a horse thief would be hung.

I'm sure from your previous answers that the thought of that brought a smile to your face. Yeah, they could be hung legally, but only in some jurisdictions. But 100 years ago you could be hung just for being Black, too! Lawless lynchings were quite common. Fortunately, our society has become a lot less ****ed up, less draconian, and more civilized. There were no women in government 100 years ago, AND we were in the middle of prohibition then. People simply disappeared more often back then, never to be seen again.

Things were so much worse 100 years ago, it cannot even be compared with today.

 

[Peter]

Yep.

Criminals are not detoured enough.

Less I would hope, when criminals start thinking of what may happen to them.

If the highest prison population in the world isn't enough to deter them why would bunging a load more inside help.

I also assume you'll be fine with the tax rises needed to keep them in prison?

 

[YourWakeUpCall]

??WHA...?? You think shooting a car thief makes us safer?!? On what planet does that happen?
I guess there's no sense in asking you about whether or not the punishment should fit the crime. Too complicated a question for you. As Trump's biggest fanboy, I'm sure you were tickled to hear him say he'd have the National Guard shoot shoplifters. There's a country you'd delight in living in.

In Trumpistan, everyone found guilty of stealing diapers and baby food would be sentenced to death.

You should go back and read the news story more carefully. The thieves weren't shot for stealing a car, they were shot for pulling a gun on the owner when confronted. Do you understand the difference?

 

[YourWakeUpCall]

Your question says more about you than any car thief, and none of it is good.

So all theft should carry a death sentence? Yes or no?

No, I wouldn't take your job spinning Trump away from you, or anyone.

Nobody said anything about theft carrying a death sentence. You just made that up. Let's try this again: The criminals were shot because they brandished a firearm. That's an entirely different scenario than "theft". You're being deliberately obtuse.

 

[MamboDervish]

Nobody said anything about theft carrying a death sentence. You just made that up.

Bullshit. That's exactly what Lord of Planar was advocating.

Let's try this again: The criminals were shot because they brandished a firearm.

Yes - allegedly. But that was not the point I was making.

That's an entirely different scenario than "theft". You're being deliberately obtuse.

Welcome to the forum. Try reading everything before you embarrass yourself by butting in.

 

[Maidenrules29]

You think shooting a car thief makes us safer?!?

Hell yes.
Of course it makes even SAFER if the shot car thief also takes the "room temperature challenge".

Don't you think that perps getting shot just might possibly keep them from committing any future crimes?
Don't you believe that criminals usually start out by committing small crimes, and, as they get away with them, little by little they get more confident and committ more heinous crimes, including murder?
Better to nip criminal activity in the bud, no matter what it takes.
I have absolutely ZERO sympathy and give ZERO ****s about whatever fate criminals face.

 

[Mason66]

Why do you want 13 year olds who steal a car to get shot?
I only hope you have zero say in the justice system.

Can we get off the part of them being 13 years old?

If they shot and killed the owner of the car they would be tried as adults so the owner of the car should treat them the same as any other adult.

When a person is armed it doesn't matter how old they are, you have to protect yourself.

I know you are going to come back and say, "What if the person holding the gun is 7 years old" but you know that is not what we are talking about.

 

[Mason66]

Possibly. I doubt 13 year olds are stealing many cars.

Do you really not know what is going on in the country right now?

I see this was a Honda Accord, but Dodge products are being stolen by bands of kids to either joy ride them or to strip them.

We are talking about the Challenger, Charger, Durango and many more models.

The owners have to do what ever they can to prevent the theft. Their insurance pays out what the car is worth, not what they have in the car.

Each one of those that are part of the band of thieves should be taken out.

 

[Mason66]

How many liberals here believe he should have allowed his car to be taken, called the police, and filed a claim with his insurance?

I doubt there was theft insurance on a 2003 Honda Accord.

 

[Mason66]

So, you really think shooting kids is an ok response to theft?

No wonder the US is so ****ed up.

Why do you think the man knew how old they were while they were committing their crime?

 

[Bodi]

Leaving even more that aren’t deterred to take their place.

Not a solution.

Death Penalty for stealing a car? I bet that would deter a lot of people...

 

[Gordy327]

Death Penalty for stealing a car? I bet that would deter a lot of people...

Or at the very least, prevent a repeat offense.

 

[Peter]

Why do you think the man knew how old they were while they were committing their crime?

I don't think shooting anyone is an acceptable response to theft.
Is that clear enough?