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Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

Citizen said:
Now that’s funny. People like you should not be allowed to own a firearm
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Why? Because you're personally offended by my existence, which is outside your experience?
 
Gordy327 said:
Definitely the one used against the would be car thieves.
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How did you determine that? Now remember, you've already made a categorical claim, and now you seem accepting of the idea it isn't universally true across the entire category.
 
RF667799 said:
How did you determine that? Now remember, you've already made a categorical claim, and now you seem accepting of the idea it isn't universally true across the entire category.
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I simply said guns are designed to kill people. The fact 2 teens were shot and killed with a gun affirms that. What do you find confusing about that?
 
Gordy327 said:
I simply said guns are designed to kill people. The fact 2 teens were shot and killed with a gun affirms that. What do you find confusing about that?
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I'm not confused. You might be. You're using two anecdotal examples to support a categorical claim.

You must also think motor vehicles are designed to kill people, since there are examples of them being used to do just that.
 
RF667799 said:
I'm not confused. You might be. You're using two anecdotal examples to support a categorical claim.

You must also think motor vehicles are designed to kill people, since there are examples of them being used to do just that.
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Vehicles are designed for transportation. Guns are designed to shoot & kill.
 
Gordy327 said:
Vehicles are designed for transportation. Guns are designed to shoot & kill.
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But vehicles fit the criteria of your argument in support of your categorical claim. Yet now you say your argument in support of your claim is inapplicable.

It's funny you use an avatar of a fictional character who was supposed to be an embodiment of rationality and logic. Are you familiar with the concept of the special pleading fallacy?
 
VySky said:
Another example how society is safer when criminals don't know who's armed.

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6abc.com

Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

According to Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Scott Small, the man got a call from a neighbor stating that four juveniles appeared to be breaking into his Honda.
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What a wonderful country we live in where children can be raised in such miserable and impoverished conditions that they turn to violent crime, and we can react to the material forces that created them by killing them.
 
Felis Leo said:
What a wonderful country we live in where children can be raised in such miserable and impoverished conditions that they turn to violent crime, and we can react to the material forces that created them by killing them.
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The citizen who shot the two teens didn't kill either of them, from my reading of the OP. Nor is there an indication he was reacting to some abstract "material forces that created them". Rather, there seemed to be agreement he was reacting to his life being threatened at that time.

Nicely invented narrative though.
 
RF667799 said:
The citizen who shot the two teens didn't kill either of them, from my reading of the OP. Nor is there an indication he was reacting to some abstract "material forces that created them". Rather, there seemed to be agreement he was reacting to his life being threatened.

Nicely invented narrative though.
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You are not responding to anything I was saying. I will try to make it clear: I will grant that 13 year-olds are a pretty rowdy bunch. Puberty is a real strain on kids transitioning to teenagers, especially boys. But your average 13 year-old generally does not go around trying to steal cars out of the blue or threaten the lives of others. Not unless their home environment is horrible.
 
RF667799 said:
But vehicles fit the criteria of your argument in support of your categorical claim. Yet now you say your argument in support of your claim is inapplicable.

It's funny you use an avatar of a fictional character who was supposed to be an embodiment of rationality and logic. Are you familiar with the concept of the special pleading fallacy?
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My claim was guns are designed to kill. Vehicles are designed for transportation. You offer nothing to refute that and I stead try to use my avatar as some kind of deflection or smokescreen.
 
Felis Leo said:
You are not responding to anything I was saying. I will try to make it clear: I will grant that 13 year-olds are a pretty rowdy bunch. Puberty is a real strain on kids transitioning to teenagers, especially boys. But your average 13 year-old generally does not go around trying to steal cars out of the blue or threaten the lives of others. Not unless their home environment is horrible.
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I responded to two points in your narrative that were inventions in the context of the case in the OP.
 
Gordy327 said:
My claim was guns are designed to kill. Vehicles are designed for transportation. You offer nothing to refute that and I stead try to use my avatar as some kind of deflection or smokescreen.
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I don't have to refute nor accept a claim you are unable or unwilling to support.
 
RF667799 said:
I don't have to refute nor accept a claim you are unable or unwilling to support.
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I did support it and you offered nothing to counter it with anything other than a 'nuh-uh' type response.
 
Gordy327 said:
I did support it and you offered nothing to counter it with anything other than a 'nuh-uh' type response.
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What was your support for your categorical claim? Your anecdotal evidence that guns can be used to kill people? I completely agree with that submission, but it doesn't support your claim.

That you won't extend your argument to supporting other categorical claims, exposes its special pleading nature.
 
Felis Leo said:
What a wonderful country we live in where children can be raised in such miserable and impoverished conditions
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Define what that means to you.
 
Felis Leo said:
Normal 13 year-old boys living in healthy, economically stable home environments do not do things like this. Or do you disagree, VySky?
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What is a healthy home environment?
 
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