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Two 13-year-olds shot while trying to steal car in Southwest Philadelphia: Police

VySky said:
If we are not willing the raise the cost for committing crime then in essence we are just agreeing to accept it.

Why? Why should we?
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Not everyone believes in shooting someone over stolen property. It's that simple.
 
Irredentist said:
Crime is inevitable. You don't get a choice about that. You only get to choose how you react to it.
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And how we react is why there is crime.
 
Irredentist said:
Not everyone believes in shooting someone over stolen property. It's that simple.
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We're sixteen pages in, so I'm just going to ask instead of trying to wade through 400 posts trying to figure it out: are you still talking about the incident that prompted this thread?
 
VySky said:
If we are not willing the raise the cost for committing crime then in essence we are just agreeing to accept it.
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That’s just bullshit, and I’d expect you to know better than that.
VySky said:
Why? Why should we?
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? Why should you what? Not shoot people for stealing diapers? If you can’t figure that out, I’d suggest you’re on the wrong website.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
We're sixteen pages in, so I'm just going to ask instead of trying to wade through 400 posts trying to figure it out: are you still talking about the incident that prompted this thread?
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Yes, but also other property crimes.
 
Irredentist said:
Yes, but also other property crimes.
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Okay. So then the characterization of it as "shooting someone over stolen property" is clearly misrepresenting what happened. One of the thieves pulled out a gun. We are beyond stolen property at that point.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Okay. So then the characterization of it as "shooting someone over stolen property" is clearly misrepresenting what happened. One of the thieves pulled out a gun. We are beyond stolen property at that point.
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The article states that the man left his home to confront the thieves, whereupon one of the kids pulled a gun. Therefore, the man had already decided to confront them with potentially deadly force, before he knew that they had also had a weapon.
 
Irredentist said:
The article states that the man left his home to confront the thieves, whereupon one of the kids pulled a gun. Therefore, the man had already decided to confront them with potentially deadly force, before he knew that they had also had a weapon.
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He decided to confront them and took reasonable precautions to protect himself in the event things did not go well. He's fortunate that he did.
 
Irredentist said:
Not everyone believes in shooting someone over stolen property. It's that simple.
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We used to be able to shoot horse thieves. Maybe it's time we revisit something akin to that..
 
MamboDervish said:
That’s just bullshit, and I’d expect you to know better than that.

? Why should you what? Not shoot people for stealing diapers? If you can’t figure that out, I’d suggest you’re on the wrong website.
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Yes, this is a leftist website member wise.

That's why I like it here

I have much work to do.
 
Felis Leo said:
Normal 13 year-old boys living in healthy, economically stable home environments do not do things like this. Or do you disagree, VySky?
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You are absolutely wrong. There is a gang of boys in Arizona terrorizing people and they are all upscale white kids from good homes.
 
Mason66 said:
You are absolutely wrong. There is a gang of boys in Arizona terrorizing people and they are all upscale white kids from good homes.
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I dispute they are from good homes. Wealthy households, maybe. But not good homes.
 
Felis Leo said:
I dispute they are from good homes. Wealthy households, maybe. But not good homes.
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If you want to think that way there are no good homes, right?
 
VySky said:
Then some people accept crime. 🤷‍♂️
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I don't think possibly killing someone by shooting them is an ok punishment for stealing my stuff.
 
Peter said:
I don't think possibly killing someone by shooting them is an ok punishment for stealing my stuff.
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Me either. I couldn't even shoot a guy who kicked my door in. Then we met face to face ~9 feet apart. He was unarmed and that likely is why he didn't die that night.
 
Peter said:
I don't think possibly killing someone by shooting them is an ok punishment for stealing my stuff.
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Depends. If the person has the stuff and is already running away, don't shoot. If you are there are they are in the act, or near you or you are in any sort of danger... shoot them, even if not totally sure.
 
Felis Leo said:
I dispute they are from good homes. Wealthy households, maybe. But not good homes.
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You have no idea how many bad kids there are from good homes...



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Mason66 said:
If you want to think that way there are no good homes, right?
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There are bad kids from good homes just as there are good kids from bad homes...


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Bodi said:
You have no idea how many bad kids there are from good homes...



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Very true. The young murder suspect in Frisco Texas sure seemed to be from a good home.
 
Bodi said:
Depends. If the person has the stuff and is already running away, don't shoot. If you are there are they are in the act, or near you or you are in any sort of danger... shoot them, even if not totally sure.
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Erm, no thanks.
I'm British so don't own a gun and even if I did I wouldn't use it over theft of property even if I felt threatened.
 
Peter said:
Erm, no thanks.
I'm British so don't own a gun and even if I did I wouldn't use it over theft of property even if I felt threatened.
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As I had to explain to someone else: once you are being threatened, the problem is no longer one of stolen property.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
As I had to explain to someone else: once you are being threatened, the problem is no longer one of stolen property.
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Unless I have no possible avenue of retreat I fail to see how the use of deadly force can be justified for merely feeling threatened.
 
Peter said:
Unless I have no possible avenue of retreat I fail to see how the use of deadly force can be justified for merely feeling threatened.
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Again, as explained earlier, the yout's in this instance drew a firearm when confronted by the victim of their felonious activity. If you "fail to see how the use of deadly force can be justified" in such a circumstance, that's a "you" problem -- one that does not constrain the rest of us from reasonably defending ourselves.
 
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