Twitter sued in Germany over antisemitic posts

[BlueTex]

I agree in part. Germany can do what they want, and twitter can choose to comply or not. Unless they do business or have property or employees in Germany though, they dont have to do anything. Its an American company and we beleive in a light touch when it comes to speech. Of which "hate speech" is not included. Denying something should not be censored. Hating people should not be censored.

LOL... Does twitter sell German advertising? Are you under the impression global companies can ignore judgements?

But again, If Germany wants to censore speech and force foreign internet companies to comply, have at it. If Im twitter I get out of Germany. Germans will still be able to access it either way.

They have for DECADES... This is nothing new...

 

[Mycroft]

What if Trump shows up and asks you what his historical legacy will be? Are you going to respond, and leave the same avatar up?

Unrealistic hypothetical ignored.

But hey...it's just an avatar. Don't read too much into it, okay? I switched to this one in response to another forum member's OP about doom and gloom. I was making a joke.

 

[Sweden]

Germany had better be careful. They may find themselves being hated by German citizens who are pissed off when Musk pulls Twitter out of their country.

It is easy to live without twitter as all those German citizens may soon discover. I don't have a twitter account and never will.

 

[JRTurner]

Our government recognizes limitations on free speech, especially when used to intimidate or calls for violence. So if the hate speech falls into one of those exceptions, then it is illegal.

 

[Grand Mal]

One does get the sense that the only nation on the planet that values free speech is the United States.

Does free speech mean to you that you can say anything you want on the internet?

 

[Grand Mal]

The question is not whether they have "the right" to ban free speech; a nation can enact such laws. The question is the wisdom in doing so.

In the US, would you see someone arrested for calling BIden a "demented white cracker?" Or Harris a "mixed blood know-nothing?" Those statements would certainly qualify as racist hate speech.

Saying something in public and publishing it on the internet are two different things.
And if you don't think what you post here is publishing, try posting a political analysis here and then selling the first rights to it to an on-line commentary magazine.

 

[zincwarrior]

It wouldn't be funny to the people in the German Capitol.

You think people will have a ruckus over...Twitter?

 

[AliHajiSheik]

One does get the sense that the only nation on the planet that values free speech is the United States.

But clearly these countries are trying to catch up to the US in litigiousness.

 

[NatMorton]

Or maybe we just understand the concept of sovereign nations having the ability to have their own laws. The problem with many on the right is they seem ignorant that there are other countries in this world with their own laws and companies have an obligation to follow those laws when they do business in those countries.

Unfortunately for you, I do understand the concept of building straw-men, i.e. what you've done here. I have never said nor implied Germany lacks the right to enact such a law. I and others are simply saying it's a bad idea.

 

[BlueTex]

Unfortunately for you, I do understand the concept of building straw-men, i.e. what you've done here. I have never said nor implied Germany lacks the right to enact such a law. I and others are simply saying it's a bad idea.

Do you think the German people care about what some American's think?

 

[BlueTex]

It is easy to live without twitter as all those German citizens may soon discover. I don't have a twitter account and never will.

The question for twitter is can they live without German advertising revenue...

 

[NatMorton]

UN definition:

What is hate speech?​

"the UN Strategy and Plan of Action on Hate Speech defines hate speech as…“any kind of communication in speech, writing or behaviour, that attacks or uses pejorative or discriminatory language with reference to a person or a group on the basis of who they are, in other words, based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, colour, descent, gender or other identity factor.”

Let's test this out. I have stated many times on this site that I find most of the world's Islamic cultures to be barbaric and inferior on almost every level to the west. Their laws and social norms are, for all intents and purposes, medieval.

Is that "hate speech?"

 

[NatMorton]

Private social networking sites have nothing to do with free speech.

And you're belaboring the obvious, why?

 

[Hamish Howl]

One does get the sense that the only nation on the planet that values free speech is the United States.

Yeah, you and your pals can still screech about Jews here.

 

[Credence]

Musk knows what he is doing and he has no qualms about allowing offensive, racist posts on Twitter including white supremacists. IMO he is one of them

 

[NatMorton]

People rioting over Twitter would be funny.

One can argue that Twitter was the vector to incite the Jan 6 riots.

 

[NatMorton]

Our government recognizes limitations on free speech, especially when used to intimidate or calls for violence. So if the hate speech falls into one of those exceptions, then it is illegal.

What country are you talking about when you say "our?" You're not describing free speech in the US. Hate speech alone is protected by the First Amendment. It's only in extreme cases where that speech is directly responsible for harm where the government can punish it.

 

[Tigerace117]

One does get the sense that the only nation on the planet that values free speech is the United States.

Boo ****ing hoo. You can cry over the “poor poor” Holocaust deniers all you want, nobody else is obligated to put up with them.

 

[NatMorton]

Does free speech mean to you that you can say anything you want on the internet?

Depends on who's providing you with internet access and where you're posting it.

For example, DP admins have the right to suspend me from this site if I call a moderator "a fathead." The Federal Government does not.

 

[JRTurner]

What country are you talking about when you say "our?" You're not describing free speech in the US. Hate speech alone is protected by the First Amendment. It's only in extreme cases where that speech is directly responsible for harm where the government can punish it.

Our country, yes, I meant the United States. Why do you say the exact same thing I did, but take exception to me saying it? That's curious....

 

[NatMorton]

Saying something in public and publishing it on the internet are two different things.

When it comes to government's limits on prohibiting speech, you're wrong; the medium makes no difference.

I can post a message here on DP that says "Joe Biden is a typical white moron." I can paint a sign with the same message and place it on my lawn. I can also stand on a windy street corner and yell that message to the clouds. Federal and state governments may not punish me for doing any of that.

And if you don't think what you post here is publishing, try posting a political analysis here and then selling the first rights to it to an on-line commentary magazine.

Again, whether something is professionally published or not is immaterial with regard to the First Amendment. It protects all forms of expression, from publishing the written word to donating money.

 

[NatMorton]

Do you think the German people care about what some American's think?

Don't know. But when it comes to free speech, they should.

 

[NatMorton]

Yeah, you and your pals can still screech about Jews here.

You're lying, but that will, of course, surprise no one.

 

[NatMorton]

Boo ****ing hoo. You can cry over the “poor poor” Holocaust deniers all you want, nobody else is obligated to put up with them.

^^^ troll post.

 

[Hamish Howl]

You're lying, but that will, of course, surprise no one.

lol. You act like nobody can read the posts in order.