Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

[jghiretire]

That can easily be avoided if nine Democrats stop obstructing congress. Don't pretend that the Senate Democrats are not complicit.
You're welcome.

Can you not count?? The house and senate have had republican majorities for how many years???

 

[Conservative]

"I am proud to shut down the government for border security... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down."
-Donald Trump to Chuck Schumer.

Yes Trump will shutdown the govt. but it will be the democrats that caused it by not giving in to a national security issue and a major campaign issue for trump. how does shutting down the govt. hurt you?

 

[jghiretire]

Does this idiot think we are stupid. Who would believe this crap?

Why yes, yes he does.

 

[Conservative]

I am proud to shut down the government for border security... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down."
-Donald Trump to Chuck Schumer.

And it will be because NOT ONE DEMOCRAT voted for national security and it takes 60 votes in the senate unless the nuclear option is used. Getting sick and tired of the radical left putting national security on the back burner

 

[Conservative]

Why yes, yes he does.

It would seem that he has a point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

 

[humbolt]

Seemed to be the thing to do when Barack Obama promised, "If you like your doctor, you can keep him".
Now, we won't get into how that was a FAILED promise, and that he failed to deliver, because you're not even willing to admit that Trumpler failed to deliver on HIS promise, to make Mexico pay for the wall.
Now here he comes, hat in hand, expecting Democrats to pay for it, and shutting down the government when they won't go along with his miserable excuses.
And yet somehow WE are responsible?
NO SIR, I don't think so.

If you review the new trade agreement with Mexico, I believe the wall is paid for. Besides, do you really think that anybody of any stripe in Congress is actually concerned with personally paying for anything government related? Don't forget, the ACA wasn't good enough for them. It was only good for the unwashed masses.

 

[SLC]

The linked article title is :

Trump vows 'very long' shutdown in border wall standoff

Not : Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

Words matter.

 

[year2late]

Yes Trump will shutdown the govt. but it will be the democrats that caused it by not giving in to a national security issue and a major campaign issue for trump. how does shutting down the govt. hurt you?

Dude, Trump already took responsibility for the shutdown. Are you saying he is lying again?

 

[uptower]

The president's job is to avert a shutdown, not threaten one, not demand one.

The man is not doing his job. He is undermining his own country. 25th amendment time.

 

[trixare4kids]

Can you not count?? The house and senate have had republican majorities for how many years???

We have the majority in the senate but we don't have sixty votes which is needed to get the border funds.
Please don't lecture others on how to count...

If the party before country partisan leftists weren't more interested in WINNING, we'd get the needed votes for the good of the country.

 

[humbolt]

Here is post #112. It still doesn't have anything to do with Mueller.



You Trump fans are just floundering today.

I'm doing fine thank you. That you can't understand the principles the left adopts and abandons situationally isn't my problem.

 

[uptower]

The linked article title is :

Trump vows 'very long' shutdown in border wall standoff

Not : Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

Words matter.

Which is why "Trump vows very long shutdown" is dereliction of duty no matter what comes after it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yes Trump will shutdown the govt. but it will be the democrats that caused it by not giving in to a national security issue and a major campaign issue for trump. how does shutting down the govt. hurt you?

Listen to your own words for a moment.

"Giving in to a national security issue?"
If it really was a national security issue, few if any would feel as if they are "giving in".
But it's not a national security issue because we already have plenty of laws on the books which we're NOT enforcing.
THAT is a national security issue.

We watched thousands of troops get sent down to the border for no reason whatsoever, too.
Notice how that evaporated immediately after the mid-term elections, because that TOO was not a national security issue.

This is a TRUMP INSECURITY ISSUE, that's what it is. If it wasn't, he never would have made the stupid promise he made in the first place, and he would have initially approached it in a rational and sane manner, which he didn't from the get go.

How has the shutdown affected me personally so far? No one knows yet but here's what I DO KNOW, as it wears on, Trump may decide to ratchet up his rhetoric and use whatever is at his disposal to act even MORE irrationally, and that might mean further "Trump measures".

In the end, it is already accepted that Republicans, and Trump, will be bearing the responsibility for the shutdown.
And they're just sealing their doom for the future in doing so.

As soon as that check from Mexico clears, you can start building your Trump wall, not until then.
Trump chose this hill to die on, not the Democrats.

 

[Conservative]

Dude, Trump already took responsibility for the shutdown. Are you saying he is lying again?

there would be no shutdown if the Democrats would allow a vote on the bill with his national security issue in it and let it go to a simple majority. If not then he will not sign legislation without it and I have absolutely no problem with it, why do you? how is this going to hurt you, your family, or the country?

Just another anti Trump thread with the same radical leftists again attacking Trump and anything he does or says as a continuation of their tantrum over losing the election and seeing their radical agenda rejected

 

[Conservative]

Listen to your own words for a moment.

"Giving in to a national security issue?"
If it really was a national security issue, few if any would feel as if they are "giving in".
But it's not a national security issue because we already have plenty of laws on the books which we're NOT enforcing.
THAT is a national security issue.

We watched thousands of troops get sent down to the border for no reason whatsoever, too.
Notice how that evaporated immediately after the mid-term elections, because that TOO was not a national security issue.

This is a TRUMP INSECURITY ISSUE, that's what it is. If it wasn't, he never would have made the stupid promise he made in the first place, and he would have initially approached it in a rational and sane manner, which he didn't from the get go.

How has the shutdown affected me personally so far? No one knows yet but here's what I DO KNOW, as it wears on, Trump may decide to ratchet up his rhetoric and use whatever is at his disposal to act even MORE irrationally, and that might mean further "Trump measures".

In the end, it is already accepted that Republicans, and Trump, will be bearing the responsibility for the shutdown.
And they're just sealing their doom for the future in doing so.

As soon as that check from Mexico clears, you can start building your Trump wall, not until then.
Trump chose this hill to die on, not the Democrats.

A wall is proactive, laws on the books to deport people is reactive, people die when reactive, but not when being proactive

 

[prometeus]

Don't be too harsh.

I am not, just realistic. Just read some of the posts here from the usual Trump useful idiots. If stupidity would be painful, these morons would be in agony.

 

[Deuce]

Yes Trump will shutdown the govt. but it will be the democrats that caused it by not giving in to a national security issue and a major campaign issue for trump. how does shutting down the govt. hurt you?

About 30 grand in aircraft upkeep costs despite not being able to operate that aircraft commercially due to the shutdown count?

 

[Deuce]

there would be no shutdown if the Democrats would allow a vote on the bill with his national security issue in it and let it go to a simple majority. If not then he will not sign legislation without it and I have absolutely no problem with it, why do you? how is this going to hurt you, your family, or the country?

Just another anti Trump thread with the same radical leftists again attacking Trump and anything he does or says as a continuation of their tantrum over losing the election and seeing their radical agenda rejected

“I am proud to shut down the government for border security... So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it."

-Donald Trump to Chuck Schumer

 

[Tanngrisnir]

We have the majority in the senate but we don't have sixty votes which is needed to get the border funds.
Please don't lecture others on how to count...

If the party before country partisan leftists weren't more interested in WINNING, we'd get the needed votes for the good of the country.

Yawn. Dems were elected to place a check on Trump's worst excesses. One of the most awful of these is Trump's wall.

The only 'party before country' people are those who still support Trump and refuse to recognize that he puts his own interest's before that of the nation's.

It's not something that everyone can understand, of course, but it's a VERY simple concept.

 

[Conservative]

“I am proud to shut down the government for border security... So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it."

-Donald Trump to Chuck Schumer

And this issue bothers you why? Trump has said all along he was going to build a wall and this is a promise he is going to keep. we shall see in the future if Mexico pays for it in some way but it has to start somewhere.

Just another anti Trump thread that has no bearing at all on your daily life or most Americans but it is a national security issue. Nothing Trump does is ever going to satisfy you and the rest of the radical left cult so shut the govt. down and for the next two years we will watch you people continuing with your tantrum for nothing getting your way. Elections have consequences and we will see if the American people agree in 2020. Until then Trump IS PRESIDENT

 

[year2late]

there would be no shutdown if the Democrats would allow a vote on the bill with his national security issue in it and let it go to a simple majority. If not then he will not sign legislation without it and I have absolutely no problem with it, why do you? how is this going to hurt you, your family, or the country?

Just another anti Trump thread with the same radical leftists again attacking Trump and anything he does or says as a continuation of their tantrum over losing the election and seeing their radical agenda rejected

If reversed would the Republicans allow the simple majority if it was something against their beliefs?

 

[Rexedgar]

Yup.
She couldn't come out and say it, but it's totally a Trump dick measuring contest.

Or, as George Carlin once said:

"A b-i-i-i-i-g prick waving dickfight."

Then we are ****ed!

 

[SLC]

Which is why "Trump vows very long shutdown" is dereliction of duty no matter what comes after it.

Its a violation of Forum rules to not post the " • Exact same title as the cited". You get a 3 point infraction for doing it. Don't ask me how I know. :lol:

 

[Deuce]

And this issue bothers you why? Trump has said all along he was going to build a wall and this is a promise he is going to keep. we shall see in the future if Mexico pays for it in some way but it has to start somewhere.

Just another anti Trump thread that has no bearing at all on your daily life or most Americans but it is a national security issue. Nothing Trump does is ever going to satisfy you and the rest of the radical left cult so shut the govt. down and for the next two years we will watch you people continuing with your tantrum for nothing getting your way. Elections have consequences and we will see if the American people agree in 2020. Until then Trump IS PRESIDENT

The last significant government shutdown hurt the company i worked for.

 

[Conservative]

If reversed would the Republicans allow the simple majority if it was something against their beliefs?

We don't know unless McConnell allows for the nuclear option but what we do know that this issue will affect me exactly as much as it will affect you, NOT AT ALL